Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by TonLars, May 6, 2007.
I like your videos.
If you had read anything within a number of pages above this, then you would know the answer.
However, just recently I have been able to start playing close to normal again. I had a cortisone injection in my wrist in late April which allowed me to start hitting two-handed backhands again. Also, a HUGE update for me is that just a few days ago I tried serving overhand again, and although I cant hit it my hardest, I am able to hit functioning overhand topspin and kick serves. Hopefully I will continue to gradually heal and one day be without any soreness or pain. Either way I feel like I can soon start to play my best tennis again. I am entering several Open tournaments this summer, some with total prize money in the $6000-$15,000 range, and I should have a good chance to go deep if im playing well. Might possibly play the Milwaukee Futures in August.
Thanks. The recent ones are from a really fun tournament. I won it, and about two weeks later is when my injury happened.
that is some good news! glad to here you are getting better and going to be playing some tournies soon! good luck with everything and God bless!
tony are you doing everything possible to keep your wrist good?
ice after no matter what?
no sleeping on that arm or wrist?
switching to as healthy food as possible?
high quality nutritional supplements?
Damn cortisone...how was that?
Omg were you there? I was there too!
To be honest I guess I cant say that I have. Between teaching/feeding and playing tennis alot since February when I could start doing things again with my wrist, and combined with time, it has gotten alot better in reduced pain and soreness. I havent done really much at all of the physical therapy exercises I was told to do at home since that time, which is probably a bad thing, although I feel all the tennis has got to have made my wrist stronger in a similar way, if not more so. I never ice either, and they told me I could. I try to eat fairly healthy but I dont eat alot of fruit and some other things they say are really good for you. I take a multi-vitamin in the morning (Centrum) and I occasionally use accelerade or hydromax with water. The massage and electrofication I havent really considered at all. If youve got any info on anything youre talking about id be very grateful.
You really should do your PT excercises, ice, and get massage. Does your orthopod have any other specific advice for you concerning supplements to promote healing?
You look like you'd be very hard to beat in a match, very solid!
He needs to get fit to enter the open tournaments and itf futures
Sure do, got to get even stronger than ever and best of stamina to make up for my serving handicap. Been doing alot of sprinting and some lifting. If I can keep making gains there then I should have a chance to do something using my groundstrokes and speed.
Or are you saying im not fit? lol
On the video of the tournament, that's the strangest location for a tennis court. Who came up with that idea?
yeah if your not doing these things, can you really expect to get better? sadly no.
btw " centrum vitamin is like wearing flip flops to play tennis. no quality foundation
It is pretty much the signature tournament for the Northern Section. It uses a sport court surface on a patio outside an office building towntown. The light rail and two busy streets are right by the court. Each match is umpired and gets new balls after 7 and 9 games. It really is a sweet tournament, I got an invite to play this year but I don't think I'm good enough.
Actually when I say I got an invite, I mean I got an invite to pay $75 to play qualifying.
I know, youre both right. Thing is, the wrist has gotten alot stronger, less sore and pain free from all the tennis ive been teaching/playing. As of now, I am very close to full functioning tennis wise like I used to be. Im still hindered a little bit with serves and overheads not being able to hit at maximum force, but that is all actually. Im sure I could probably make even more gains if I did the small wrist weight exercises though. As far as massage and supplements, like I said I havent had any doctor or therapist reccomendations. I would love any advice you can give me, and would be very grateful if it can help me at all. For starters, what do you recommend in place of a Centrum multivitamin?
supplements: go to a health food store, gnc would be the min quality
multi(go to a health food store, and tell them you want a whole food grade full spectrum multi), expect to pay 20-60 a month for quality
msm 1000-3000 mg a day
glucosimine/condroitin (i cant spell)
extra calcium as recommend on bottle
ice after no matter what
do your exercises.
you got where your at by not doing the right thing health wise, so until you decide to do all you can, expect to injure the wrist again
Thanks for the multi advice, I will look into that! I would especially love anything I can get my hands on for extra energy. What kinds of supplements should I look into at GNC?
As far as the injury, it actually was a one shot deal that basically was a fluke. Unless you think taking these pills would prevent the injury altogether?
msm and extra calcium is very important
who has the most energy? nadal, so use those gel things
Know a Guy who plays almost the same as you...with a siff racquet prep..though his extremely consistent with it..like a machine
There are a number of TT-ers whose opinions I highly respect who scoff at using ANY food supplements. That being said, I agree with most of what HappAnd posted.
Centrum, Chocks, Wal-Mart supplements ... are more of a waste of money than a benefit. Save your money. (And know if you plan to take supplements, the good ones tend to be more expensive. BUT ... many of the MLM plans (where you commit to "super-orders" on an automatic Credit Card purchase) are ALSO a rip-off, IMO.
Yeah. My son worked at GNC. Their "training" is a joke, but I'd agree their supplements are at the "threshold" of what's good. (GNC is the minimum of "good".)
Glucosamine, yes. I am part of the "camp" that believes Chondroitin is merely "filler". But if you want to spend your money on it, go ahead....
Calcium is a really important supplement ... and one of the biggest "scams" in the industry at the same time. (Most of the commonly advertised calcium supplements are phony, IMO.)
I'm no doctor. I've managed a multi-doc Chiropractic clinic and I've been living a holistic-type lifestyle for over 20 years. And I try to keep up with advances in supplementation. (Those are my "credentials," which are not "much".)
Here's a partial list of supplement brands I think are generally effective ... in no particular order:
MicroNutra Health ... [order direct]
Mannatech ... [An MLM, but they really are good.]
... (The 1st is some folks who thought the 2nd's stuff was over-priced. The 2nd has sued the 1st about three times. "Family infighting.")
We buy a lot of our stuff through LuckyVitamin.com. They have pretty good prices. (I'm sure there are other discount sources.)
And how many courts are there... or only one?
Thanks for the info Karl, I appreciate it!
Just the one set-up court right in the middle of the city.
About supplements, don't waist your money on that. I remember 1-2 years ago reading a paper published in a UK med journal that showed that vitamins did nothing when compared to placebo. I know that Ca from supplements is not efficiently absorbed by the body, 90% would go down the drain literally . The body has a very complex ion balance that includes Na, K, Ca and Mg. Mg is the one that I really consider more critical than Ca because is not so abundant in the diet. Also if your Ca is low you have to take vitamin D3…. But if your blood tests are normal don't take anything.
My wife is a PT (as in personal trainer) and she was a pro athlete and the thing she preaches are strength and conditioning. I would recommend going to PT (physical therapy) and doing your exercises every day for a long long time. Be very careful with pain if you feel uncomfortable you should stop. BTW there is a thing runners say if you feel pain you should stop running Stretches are essential but have to be done gradually. You know you're young and heal fast but at your level of play if you don't take good care injuries they will reoccur at older age ( after 30 ) and you'll regret it. Good luck to you!
Are you familiar with the Standard Process brand? Are they good vitamins? Thanks!
Yes. SP is very high quality ... but I didn't know they produced vitamins. "You learn something new every day."
I thought all they did was mineral and enzyme products. (I use one of their digestive enzymes any time I eat meat or fried food ... which isn't often.)
Last I knew you could only order SP if you were a licensed healthcare provider ... so I get mine from my Doctor of Chiropractic.
Like I posted, some other TT-ers who I respect don't agree with me either. (The vitamin and supplement market is HUGE. It's part of the reason the Pharmas are trying to get the FDA to regulate them. Cuz Pharmas would get that whole market.)
The AMA and Lancet members have a vested interest in maintaining their position that supplements don't work. I don't trust their studies a little bit.
I've tried some "new" supplements which turned-out to be junk. I've also tried some I was very skeptical about (NutraHealth and Mannatech) and been very very impressed with my increased levels of energy, alertness and stamina. Remarkable....
Yeah. Calcium Carbonate is a common formulation. So is Calcium Citrate. The body absorbs them differently ... and "Joe" and "Jim" may assimilate different ones better. The balancing thing is also important (Na, K, Mg, etc.). The good supplement brands do it more right than wrong.
Thanks. They sell them at my physio/massage guy (who works out of a Chriopractic office). I have purchased them and they seem to be very high quality but I don't know anything about that kind of stuff! My dog takes them sometimes too (they have pet vitamins). Actually that is where I first heard of the brand - the vet's office!!!!
Tony - let me know if you guys are doing drills tonight. If so, I'm going to head up your way. Call me! <places thumb and pinky to ear as though using it as a phone>
hey i wanna drill too! do i have to pay for any of this?
Sorry I didnt see this and call you beforehand, but thanks for coming PJ
MTXR- Its not free but its a good rate
Where can i get more info? I need to fix my game.
Check out the summer programs. What level are you about? I'll see where the best place for you to be is. We have had adults practice in with our best juniors before too
no idea what my rating is. By the way i sucked it up today. I'll rate my self as a 3.5. I just totally pulled that number from thin air.
It would take 35 mins for me to get to that place. It's so far... i dunno. I live in bloomington...
And sometimes have a few good juniors play with us old folks.
It's kind of like having a little brother sometimes.
Just want to point out that whomever posted that opinion in a thread must be astronomically moronic. Nadal would crush any woman who has ever played the game in the history of the sport on any surface.
<Mod Mode> The "WTA -vs- Good Males" thread is over there <<< folks. (Sorry, Steady Eddy. We need to get this back on-track....) </Mod Mode>
Heh, Tony, I see you just played in a tourney in Winnipeg. I have a friend who's playing in it as well (our top-ranked junior). He got spanked 2 and 1 by Steckley.
Small world after all.
Awesome videos! You are quite the player...
What frames are you currently swinging? Any modifications to them..
I would like to pick your brain if you don't mind regarding equipment.
Yep it was a fun tournament. I won the doubles with the #2 seed, and I lost to him in the quarterfinals of the singles. It was 50mph or more winds for that match and so it was very frustrating, it would have been a better match. After I lost to Grae I beat the #3 and #1 seeds Hach and Rockman pretty easily to get 5th. Who was your friend?
I use Flexpoint Radical Oversize. No modifications. Its an unusual racket for where im at but ive always used oversize so ive never bothered to change.
Westmont kin back again...
Hey Tony -
Great news on the recovery and all you've shared with us. Injuries are indeed buggers to deal with, but I bet you've recharged your competitive desire during the recovery, and will perform above and beyond where you left off before your injury. Turned 50 last fall and feel like I've been dealt just about every injury/physical ailment card in the book, but, I'm still playing and trying to enjoy. Cortisone shots in knuckles, wrists, shoulders keep the juices flowing, although it sounds like carpal tunnel work, with rotator cuffs to follow, is due sometime by the end of the year. But, onward is the key word, eh? Could be worse, I guess...take care in any case. Walleye in Duluth. Westmont 77-78.
Thanks! It has definitely been great to be playing again at all, much less at the level where I used to be. Almost hard to believe since it was certain I wouldnt be playing this summer. Sorry to hear about all your injuries! Its good that youve been able to continue playing though. Nothing can keep us away from it! Good to hear from a fellow Westmont student, I went for my first two years of school in 03-04.
good job at the Manitoba open
Wait a second.....you don't use any modifications? You're a 3.5 at best until you add lead to your 90 sq. in frame, you know.....
This is true, hopefully I can move up to 4.0 if I switch to a mid-plus!!
Have you ever been to the Aquatennial tournament? That is starting up here this week and next, its a pretty cool atmosphere, if you ever stop by for a match make sure to say hi sometime before or after.
I haven't been there. Are the matches during the day? I could swing up there on my lunch break.
Are you in the draw this year? If so, when are your matches?
Yeah, alot of people come on their lunch break actually. My match schedule is this Thursday at 1pm, next Tuesday at 4, and if I win that id be in the finals that next Friday at 11:30am. First match I should cruise if I play well, the 2nd match should be a good one, and the finals is against a really good player. Maybe Ill see ya there, hope your game and everything is going well
I'm sure I'll be stopping by at the Aquatennial, it's fun to watch some great matches. SlapShot, and anyone else in the Twin Cities, you should definitely stop by, it's a great and very different atmosphere for tennis. I've never heard of anything quite like it.
Actually, Tony I was wondering how hard it is to adjust to those courts? Does the ball just skid, and doesn't it hit the grid lines all the time and make the ball pretty much unplayable with a weird bounce? I would think it might be hard to get in a groove and play at a high level.
I'll try and make it to the match Tuesday if you win tomorrow - I work just south of downtown, and can actually hop the lightrail to get there.
Sup tony... I'll come watch the match since i am free, i'll be some short asian kid.
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