Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by TonLars, May 6, 2007.
I will watch these tonight as youtube is blocked in the office...
Thanks for sharing your videos and it's good to see that you ignore the trolls posting stupid comments. Until they post videos of their supposedly better strokes, we'll all ignore them, too.
Absolutely! his technique is beyond reproach and anyone that disagrees is just a troll.
Yup yup, although it is technically impossible to sandbag in open, we know what you mean.
Wow, these are exactly the strokes I'm working towards.
But His technique dosen't look modern.
He's on the Futures/Challengers circuit just so you know
My strokes look a lot like this guy's with maybe a little more topspin on forehand, but his balance, the way he rotates his body and the way he always has his knees bent and remains in complete balance after taking even a hard shot is what I'm working on.
Been awhile since I visited this thread. Again, thanks to everyone for their comments, it has been interesting to read everything on here. Although I realize my game in these videos from a couple years ago and even now definitely has things to work on, I appreciate the compliments and critiques.
I thought I would comment on what Kevhen said a while ago. First it was very good to meet him, he is a nice guy and fun to talk with. I think it is cool how you can actually make a friend and stuff through the net in this day and age! Thanks again for coming to watch and support Kev. In regards to his assessment from watching me I have to agree with almost everything he has said from his observations, theyre pretty accurate- he has a good coaching eye. The NTRP thing again of a player is obviously something lots of people will think differently of, but I actually had to appeal my initial 5.5 rating to come down to 5.0 league because I enjoy getting good extra practice matches in and its competitive with other good current and former college players most of the time (there is no 5.5 league). I still say im 5.5 as I have beaten some ranked Division 1 players, but either way rankings and whatnot once youre at 5.0 or above are really what matters, and rating is kind of pointless. Also Kevin I have to say I have definitely been in a slump and not playing well lately and so I was not pleased with the way im hitting the ball or my results at Waterloo or the other tournament I played this summer. So its been slow so far but Im starting to pick it up now and hopefully I will have some good results for the bulk of this summer.
Tony, your topspin strokes look simple and efficient, I like it.
Somehow I have a feeling that your slice backhand is hit a little late. I prefer a contact point more in front of the body.
i like, i like! (those classic strokes of yours)
Based off his college record alone, and assuming he's gotten better since then, maybe even weak 6.0.
Again, on these videos from a few yrs ago I would say I was a 5.0. Now, 5.5. Its hard to put something on it exactly, my forehand is quite a bit better, and my serves and volleys are a little better. But definitely the main thing toward improvement is experience. Playing lots of matches and against good players, one gets better at playing matches. So not necessarily skills. Ive gotten better at playing, strategizing, being smarter, mentally tougher, and beliving I could beat those better players I once lost to. Hope that helps, good luck
Not bad, not bad at all my friend. Now we need to see serve videos!
I am not sure who that guy is...Vow what consistency and power. If that is what these guys hit what would Roger and Nadal hit like.
I pretty sure that the first video is from a practice session at a challenger event in Texas so that guy would be a 7.0
The second video is the same guy who hit the between legs shot in that other thread isn't it? I doubt he is a pro but pretty high level.
is that at the center???
This is what I noticed too when I was watching the video. With no disrespect to Tonlars, who is a much better player than I am, but you did post to get some comments, no?
I noticed that the other vids posted in the quote above, the guys seem to move smoother, they split step and bounce around, but before they even hit the ball their base seems very much set up already. Also like has been said, they stand beyond the baseline, not inside it...the quality and depth of shots they receive seem to demand it.
Something about your movement seem jerky to me, maybe because you seem to always be in a crouched position, where as the other vids above the players straighten up and only bend their knees as they are hitting the ball. It just makes it look like you are rushed to make the shot, whereas I am used to accomplished players like yourself glide and hit with effortlessness.
Anyway, I am not a believer in rating somebody based on a vid, some people look good hitting in practice and dont have the results to show for it like you do. Just putting my 10 cents worth (if it's even worth that much )
I replied to those comments a long time ago if you want to look back aways, but the thing about this video is we are hitting controlled shots, cross court to each other and not hitting full out. Secondly as Ive said many times, in this video I have agreed that I was a 5.0 at that time about 3 years ago, and both of us played a style of simply getting alot of balls back into play. Now, I have the same consistency style but I also am hitting much more "quality" shots and have good placement so I tend to run people around alot. Otherwise also I will kindly disagree with those who do not like the early takeback on the backhand and advise you that the early takeback is an important part in my backhand and am always prepared and ready to hit the shot even if it is coming very hard and deep. Movement wise I dont know how it looks or if I was doing something different with that back then too, but I cover the court faster than nearly anyone I play and that is one of my main strengths. And definitely, the guy youre watching in that first video is a good Challenger level player and his shots are tough. Im not in the 6-6.5 caliber, im 5.5. There really are no ratings anyways after the 5.0 level, but alot of people here seem to really be into the rating system for some reason lol.
nah not our center, probably some other tennis center. but our center's salifu, kwon, the tall white guy and the 2 under-16 junior doubles champs are above the level of the first guy. the second guy I'm guessing to be some college kid.
a few of the guys here are so full of . I try to find some video just to explain what I'm talking about and some has to just randomly label the youtube guy a 7.0 and on what challenger . Both you and I know how good a 7.0 is especially since you were a volunteer at legg mason. it I've given up with these .
and zap, you know what I'm talking about, about standing way behind the baseline. I myself almost always hog the baseline just because hitting on the rise is chicken feed, but once I face quality shot producing players like sharzip even I have to move back. And once way behind the baseline, I cannot afford to be lazy and have to really use my full body and energy just to produce shots that, from far, seem to travel at the same pace as when I'm lazily hogging the baseline. All the time we see Orban and the guys take on good schools like Duke, both sides are way way behind the baseline and pounding balls at that pace, accuracy and precision. I get scared when I see fink finish one of his long rallies and come to the bench by me to regain his composure. And these guys are only about 5.5, well orban might be 6. But really no one bothers asking or giving them a rating.
About the OP, Tony you already have your creditials about being top 50 d2 college and so on, so there you've proved to yourself you're that good. People like me and whoever who suspect otherwise, according to some , are just "trolling". Kevhen, who seems like he's been around the forum and around the tennis world for a long long time, says you're a high 5.0. I personally would take his word for it, but if you think he's a troll too and you were playing badly and you're really a 5.5.... whatever man, 5.5 or weak 6.0 you are.
The records do speak for themselves for any player. And the video you see of me is 3 yrs old, and Ive already said I am alot better now than that. The fact is, Kevin only saw me play 1 and half matches and I wasnt playing well, so do you think it would be an accurate assessment? Ive beaten a top 35 Division 1 player so should I rate myself 5.0??
The guy in the first video is Michael Ryderstedt who at his highest in 2005 was 130 in the world. Just figured I would throw that out there.
Haha, nice one ^^.
I really don't like ntrp ratings and would rather just look at the records.
Geez people are retarded. Looks mean nothing. If you were to look at Nadal and Federer, you'd think that Federer would bagel him every time.
Uh what are you calling me full of again?
Why does x Southpaw x keep saying he knows what every level is suppose to look like as if he some kind of tennis authority? First he states the video of the 3.5 and 4.0s is a fraud and "it is just youtube." Maverick comes on and says he posted and recorded them himself during a USTA match.
Then he has to balls to say oh that guy is not a 7.0 because he knows what a 7.0 looks like, but the rest of us are idiots
Here you go genius. This a website for the videos taken at AT&T challenger of Dallas.
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and watch Michael Ryderstedt's practice videos. Notice something- It is the same guy practicing at that event and youtube was taken from it.
Boy Southpaw, you are losing credibility fast. You and whoever keep volunteering at legg Mason because that will make you a tennis expert because none of us have watched pro matches or pros play in person before.
^^^ you mean southpaw is loosing cred fast right? Cuz you quoted me being correct.
I think sometimes it is deceptive to judge a player by how "fluidity" their strokes or how good their strokes look. I always look at how hard is their swing and then how good is their footwork. A hard swing everytime is very difficult to do unless you are very high level. As for footwork, sometimes you can't tell if the players are just fooling around. But in this case, I am still amazed by how early TonLars was ready for the next shot.
yea i know a lot about standing behind the baseline. haha. fink is ridiculous. his rallies are forever. i love it. i wish i saw the spring matches this year. yea tony posted his video way way back, and he definitely is good. despite it being a rally practice, you can tell the quality of the ball. very different from the usta youtubes that were put up. i think the issue is people dont play the same in matches as in practice. in rallies people hit so well, etc but in matches everyone plays so tight under the pressure and tend to push. the guy in the youtube is 4.0 apparently, and i am sure if he posted just a rally video it would look much more different. besides as others pointed out the rating is based on results, so it doesnt make you better really just how well you played against that guy in that match. but in any case i would love to see Tony post an updated video. it's always fun watching such good rallies
looks like someone else is getting to him,hehe.
Tony's groundstrokes and speed are definitely 5.5+. He really frustrated the big hitting D1 guys with his speed and consistency on both sides.
Here's how I would break down his overall game:
Footspeed-footwork 6.0 (gets to everything)
Forehand- high 5.5 (very consistent and well placed, can hit winners but sometimes hits long when going for too much)
backhand- weak 5.5 (occasionally dumps into net but overall very consistent)
serve - strong 5.0 (can hit hard down the T with some kick, no DFs)
volley - 5.0 (doesn't come to net much but can finish. Missed one or two just wide by inches)
intensity 6.0. He fights for every point playing against bigger and stronger guys. He works out an insane amount to stay in great shape. His drive to win keeps him in many matches. He has spent a week at the Bollieteri Academy.
I do admit that I only saw him play 3 sets and was spending most of that time talking to his dad and girlfriend. Tony wins all his 5.0 matches so he would be 5.5 based just on that. His strokes looked better in person than in the video. Hopefully Tony can post some more videos of all parts of his game even some in match conditions. I forget to bring my camera with video to his match.
Thanks again for coming Kev. Id say thats a very accurate assesment of my game, even the little detailed things you wrote I agree with. Hopefully I can keep improving. If I somehow get a chance or figure out a way I will post recent video of playing. Maybe I can come down to Iowa next year and see you again, good luck to you with everything!
Yeah it doesn't take me very long to scout opponents, just a few games. Court strategy is what I excel at even though my strokes aren't that great.
I would not want to play Tony as he doesn't have many weaknesses. His net game is a little bit weaker so you could lure him to net with dropshots but he would get there early and finish with angles. You don't want to rally all day with him as he will outlast you. You can go for big shots but he will still get them back. I would probably hit low approach shots and then try to finish with a crosscourt volley if he doesn't lob or pass me. I would also go big with my serve and mix up the spins to keep him off-balance but I am sure he would adjust pretty quickly to everything I would throw at him.
Maybe I can scout your opponents for you next year in Waterloo if I just play doubles again. Later, good luck with any summer tournies in MN.
What i do not understand is why the poster is asking advise on TW for? The majority of people on here are disgruntled teenagers and wannabe pros who watch to much anime.
Spend MORE time time on the courts because 10 minutes practicing on court is worth 2 hours roaming TW listening to 3.5 hackers talking drivel.
Yes youre right. I only practice one day of the year (my birthday) and I hit some serves for 5 minutes, and then I also drop feed balls and hit about 10 of them over the net. Takes about 10 minutes total on court practice time for the year. After that I just sit in bed and eat cake while watching TV. I play some tournaments and somehow manage to win some matches. Do you think it would help if I practice more than once a year?? Thanks for the help
Hey man, I know you aren't looking for critique, and don't take this the wrong way because I am just trying to help. But I would drink beer and eat ice cream, that way you don't get crumbs in your bed.
Some people on here still don't understand that tennis is more than an amazing forehand or equipment/racquets. It's mental skills, playing consistently, moving well.
Nice vids TonLars
Hey Tony question for you, I'm entering my senior year in high school and am in terested in playing in college. Have you any thoughts on schools to play at im no weak player, but im not up there with the likes of the top DI players. Any way to go about contacting colleges to play?
Excuse me for being blunt but what is your attitude pal? I don't know if you have mental issues but that reply was uncalled for. I was only asking you why you are asking mostly 3.5-4.0 14 year olds how to play better tennis. You probably wont see roger Federer asking Robert Dee For tennis advice would you??
I think it is crazy that a player with your potential chooses to post childish argumentative comments on a public message board rather than trying to enter futures qualifiers?
Because he is not looking for advice, you wrongly assumed that.
Look for any single post by Tony that asks anyone for advice, or asks any poster how to play better tennis.
He is just sharing his strokes so people can see how he plays.
I do the same thing.
People take it upon themselves to offer advice, tell you you suck or are awesome, tell you your strokes are ugly or pretty, tell you they are much better but they don't have a video camera, tell you your strokes are solid/have hitches, tell you you are doing great, tell you you will never get better unless you do X, wish you good luck, tell you to stop bragging.
sorry a little off topic but Jo11yroger did you play college tennis, if you don't mind me asking? By the way great strokes Tony
No, I blew out my shoulder at 17, couldn't lift it above paralell to the ground for 6 years. At 23 realized that I had full range of motion, and bought some racquets. Spent a full year getting back something that resembled strokes, and this is my first year (2007) of open tournament play. I really need this full year of match play, so hopefully next year I can do some serious damage.
Don't wanna derail Tony's thread, but will gladly BS about anything ya want if we take it to my thread. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=140404
^^^hod'd you get your strokes looking like that in like a year?
...sorry to go off topic
I busted my @$$, and playing from age 4-17 helped too so it wasn't like I was starting from 0, I already knew which end of the racquet to hold.
Please lets not take Tony's thread off topic, we can have this discussion in my thread.
Don't take yourself so seriously, dude.
J is right, thanks for helping with this. I just posted the stuff for the fun of it, and it is interesting to see what people have to say. Though you really cant tell from this little crosscourt drilling session from 3 yrs ago, I can groundstroke with anyone, other than obviously top ATP players. Your comment was both insulting to the people here, and to suggest Im not spending enough time on the court was funny because you must not have any idea how much time goes into the on and off-court training of tournament players.
I don't think TonLars has to defend himself here actually. Besides, like 35ft6 said, people should take things too seriously...esp on a messageboards. Sometimes a message, an attitude can be loss with using only written words. sometimes it seems like a lot of "fights" happen simply because of miscommunication (i.e humor is often loss when we don't hear the speaker say it...
It's a classic case of a guy jealous of your talent level and trying to knock you down. Really kind of sad...
it is a classic case of you writing pointless posts pal. How and why could i be jealous of a 5.5 player for? can you explain that please instead of kissing his backside?
I do not understand why the 5.5 dude has got a attitude for. If you start reacting to very minor criticisms by random people like myself you will have zero chance of going to the next level and having any success on the futures/challenger tour .
Whatever, troll. Back to your sad little life...
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