My thoughts about the big 4's path at Wimbledon

RF-18

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I will comment on my thoughts from R1 to QF, I will not predict who wins the tournament.

Djoko path

R1: Klizan
R2: Pavlesek/Escobedo
R3: Del Potro
R4: Lopez
QF: Thiem
SF : Federer
F: Murray/Nadal

Out of the big 4, Djokovic got the toughest first week of them all. Klizan is always dangerous, although Djokovic will probably do enough to advance pretty easily. But the real test starts in R3 where Del Potro will probably show up. Surprised many last year when he knocked out Wawrinka, when I say surprised I say mainly cause Del Potro didn't have many tournaments or playing time at all to be expected to beat Wawrinka. Del Potro is proven to be a very solid grass courter and with his FH anything could happen here. Pluss since he can't hit a proper BH anymore and has worked on his slice for a while, grass will fit his game even more. He can use that slice to bother Djokovic and combinate it with his ATG FH.

Lopez another big threat if Djokovic goes through R3. Out of the 2 grass tournaments he has played, he reached a final in Stuttgart and won Queens. Always been a good player on grass. But he has to up his return game to have a chance here against Djokovic.

Regarding Thiem, I don't expect him to reach a QF here. So if Djokovic passes the test in the 1st week, we may very well have us another Fedole clash at Wimbledon.

Andys path

R1 Q/lucky loser
R2 Brown
R3 Fognini
R4 Pouille/Kyrgios
QF Wawrinka
SF Nadal/Cilic
F Djokovic/Fed

Murray has a tricky draw tbh, a circusman like Brown should be no problem for Andy but Brown is very dangerous on grass and with Murrays form Brown could make a contest out of this, although I expect Andy will sort this out. Fognini is also a circusman but compared to brown he doesn't have the weapons on grass that will hurt Andy, andy is better at every department. In R4, it could get dangerous for Andy, if one of the opponents that is listed in R4 are there, I think it would be more dangerous for Andy to play them rather than Wawrinka. And here I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out considering the doubts on his form. If Andy passes the test in R4, I think he goes all the way to the SF.

Nadals path

1R Millman
2R Young/Istomin
3R Khachanov
4R Muller
QF Cilic
SF Murray/Kyrgios/Pouille
F Federer

Nadal got a dream draw the first 4 rounds but it gets tricky for him from QF onwards. I wanna comment about one possible match up though in the first week and that is Khachanov. This could get ugly for Nadal, we know his history the past 5 years and Khachanov can be the Rosol for Nadal. Great upcoming young player with some breaktrough results this year with a very powerful game of both wings and moves well for his height. I would put a question mark on this match and something people should watch, but Nadal has improved some elements in his game so my thought is he will sort Khachanov out in the end, and end the first week ghost at wimbledon, but that is just my thought, watch out for Khachanov. Muller in the 4th round will be no problem for Nadal, he is also a dangerous player on grass, but his game suits Nadal better. He has a serve and net game but that is easy pickings for Nadal. Muller has no groundgame that could hurt Nadal.

Nadal v Cilic in the QF should that happen will be a cracker, and if Nadal manages to arrive to a QF here, then that means he is playing well. Same for Cilic. This match could go either way, and should Cilic win I don't think people will be suprised at all.


Federer path

R1 Dolgopolov
R2 Lajovic
R3 Mischa
R4 Dimitrov
QF Raonic
SF Djokovic
F Nadal/Murray

I hear people having some doubts about his first round match wich is Dolgopolov but I believe this will be no problem at all for Federer. Federer will stroll through the first three rounds, but if Dimitrov gets to R4, THAT could get dangerous for Federer.Not Dolgopolov. But I expect Fed to sort it out to advance to another Raonic clash on the green heavens. Here, federer better watch out if the real Raonic shows up at Wimbledon. He may very well go out here.

Djokovic got the toughest 1st week of the big 4, but got the easiest QF.

Nadal got the easiest first week, but the toughest QF of the big 4.

Federer also up there with Nadal for the easiest first week, but gets tough in the QF.

BUT, anything can happen, and all these projected draws are uncertain, it can change very quickly this and draws can open up. So this is just my thought on the big 4 and how it looks for them going into wimbledon.

Thanks.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
RF-18, I seriously hope you are just trolling. Djokovic has a tough draw? Dimitrov is a threat to Federer? What are you talking about?

As I said, my thoughts. What is so trolling about Del Potro and Lopez being dangerous on grass. Dimitrov is always a tricky opponent with a good game that could beat anyone on a good day. And I said could get dangerous, if Dimitrov even shows up.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Nadal got the easiest first 4 rounds for sure and I guess he couldn't hope for a better draw given his results there the last few years. Novak and Andy got shafted but everytime Novak has won, his draws have been hell. So nothing new there really.
 

Newcomer

Hall of Fame
As I said, my thoughts. What is so trolling about Del Potro and Lopez being dangerous on grass. Dimitrov is always a tricky opponent with a good game that could beat anyone on a good day. And I said could get dangerous, if Dimitrov even shows up.
Especially funny about Nadal's "dream draw". Did you forget how your favorite player enjoyed a "dream draw" that included Istomin in the second round? :rolleyes:
Djokovic's draw is the easiest. Del Potro is not a threat to him. I'm starting to think this guy is made of glass.
Dimitrov never beat Federer, and probably never will. Such an overrated player.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Especially funny about Nadal's "dream draw". Did you forget how your favorite player enjoyed a "dream draw" that included Istomin in the second round? :rolleyes:
Djokovic's draw is the easiest. Del Potro is not a threat to him. I'm starting to think this guy is made of glass.
Dimitrov never beat Federer, and probably never will. Such an overrated player.

It is a dream draw for Nadal compared to what the other guys got. If you think I'm trolling, then I think you are trolling if you think Nadals is tougher than Djokovics. But I have no problem if you really believe that, think what you want, and I will have my own thoughts.

Why does it matter what happened in AO? What are you talking about?

Listen, I didn't make this thread to fight, it is just how I see the draw.
 

Newcomer

Hall of Fame
It is a dream draw for Nadal compared to what the other guys got. If you think I'm trolling, then I think you are trolling if you think Nadals is tougher than Djokovics. But I have no problem if you really believe that, think what you want, and I will have my own thoughts.

Why does it matter what happened in AO? What are you talking about?

Listen, I didn't make this thread to fight, it is just how I see the draw.
Yes, Djokovic has the easiest draw. I'm really tired of that "fair" draws. Del Potro is one of the easiest opponents for him.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Out of the big 4, Djokovic got the toughest first week of them all. Klizan is always dangerous, although Djokovic will probably do enough to advance pretty easily. But the real test starts in R3 where Del Potro will probably show up.
if Dimitrov gets to R4, THAT could get dangerous for Federer.

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Also, what happened to your view that Cilic is the favorite to win the tournament? Change your mind again?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
You again? What are you talking about now?

I asked you if you changed your mind about Cilic being the favorite?

Novak doesn't have a difficult draw IMO. He has a good draw and Dimitrov shouldn't be trouble for Federer. Del Potro hasn't been able to beat a crappy Djokovic in 2017 so far so unless a zoning Del Potro shows up at Wimbledon all bets are off. Personally, I hope a monster Del Potro shows up and beats Djokovic but I doubt it will happen and we'll probably see a Djokovic-Federer SF.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I asked you if you changed your mind about Cilic being the favorite?

Novak doesn't have a difficult draw IMO. He has a good draw and Dimitrov shouldn't be trouble for Federer. Del Potro hasn't been able to beat a crappy Djokovic in 2017 so far so unless a zoning Del Potro shows up at Wimbledon all bets are off. Personally, I hope a monster Del Potro shows up and beats Djokovic but I doubt it will happen and we'll probably see a Djokovic-Federer SF.

I haven't changed my mind about Cilic winning. He has the tools to win Wimbledon.
 

enlightenment

Semi-Pro
Even though Delpo isn't in great form, he has the best chance to defeat Novak on grass I believe, where his serve + forehand becomes more of a weapon and the slice less of a liability. Expect Delpo to give it his all, considering it is only his second grand slam of the year. In the FO, he played a (relatively poor) Murray close for the first two sets, 6-7 5-7. (and should have won at least one), then got bagelled in the third. I expect this one to be 4 sets, the first 3 tight and then a 6-1 scoreline to Djokovic in the fourth. If Delpo takes this to 5 I will be super impressed.
 
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Like usual your thoughts on tennis are rubbish.

Any sane person would be surprised weak era slam winner Cilic defeats Nadal on a roll in a Wimbledon QF. Obviously something went wrong if he even took it to five.
 

Duncan Donuts

Professional
I think Nadal and Murray have cupcake sections.

Nadal vs. Khachanov could be interesting if Karen is in God Mode like Rosol in 2012 or Kyrgios in 2015.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I haven't changed my mind about Cilic winning. He has the tools to win Wimbledon.

"The tools", lol. Too bad he is the pigeon of all Big Four members and has the mental strength of a balloon vs the Big Four. It's asking a lot for him to beat possibly Nadal, Murray and Federer/Djokovic to win the title IMO. If a couple of those Big Four players fall early, that would be another story.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Fed got a dream walk to the final guessing the draw was rigged for him. We know djoker won't be around for the semi. Top half is loaded. Muzzard, Nadal, Stanimal, Cilic, Tsonga, Kyrgios. There is literally nobody going to beat fed until possibly the final. And I see him winning it handily against muzzard or rafa.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
o_O !!!
Asking a leading member of the VB to be honest ;) :D

I know, it's too much to ask! :rolleyes: ;)

See below.

I don't worry about Rafa's opponents. I belive that he is capable of beating anyone, I am only worrying about his health.

Yeah, sure! :rolleyes:

His health? What's the problem now? You mean if he's healthy Djokovic or Federer can never beat him off clay? :confused:

You're too much. Unless the Nadal camp is paying you, your fanaticism is scary beyond words.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
"The tools", lol. Too bad he is the pigeon of all Big Four members and has the mental strength of a balloon vs the Big Four. It's asking a lot for him to beat possibly Nadal, Murray and Federer/Djokovic to win the title IMO. If a couple of those Big Four players fall early, that would be another story.
To win Cilic has to get lucky as he did in 2014 at the USO. The final that year has to be one of the worst anticlimaxes in many years, and the tournament was horribly run. Final on Monday was the biggest let-down I can remember in a slam.

A roof makes all the difference in the world there. I will be shocked if Cilic makes it farther than a QF.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
@cc0509


Are you a leading member of the AntiRafaBrigade or a follower, if I may ask ?
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Neither. Rafa's an honest, clean athlete who has worked very hard and deserves what he's got.
But I just don't buy your party line that he was always injured or unwell or rusty or tired when he lost. These things happen to everyone. You can't hold different people to different standards.

I don't worry about Rafa's opponents. I belive that he is capable of beating anyone, I am only worrying about his health.
I hope he remains healthy too, but what are your concerns about his health considering he just blitzed his way through the clay season, and has rested through the first half of the grass season.
Do you think he may catch hay fever on the hallowed grass of SW19, or he may contract shingles from playing the semifinal with Sir Andy ?
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I will comment on my thoughts from R1 to QF, I will not predict who wins the tournament.

Djoko path

R1: Klizan
R2: Pavlesek/Escobedo
R3: Del Potro
R4: Lopez
QF: Thiem
SF : Federer
F: Murray/Nadal

Out of the big 4, Djokovic got the toughest first week of them all. Klizan is always dangerous, although Djokovic will probably do enough to advance pretty easily. But the real test starts in R3 where Del Potro will probably show up. Surprised many last year when he knocked out Wawrinka, when I say surprised I say mainly cause Del Potro didn't have many tournaments or playing time at all to be expected to beat Wawrinka. Del Potro is proven to be a very solid grass courter and with his FH anything could happen here. Pluss since he can't hit a proper BH anymore and has worked on his slice for a while, grass will fit his game even more. He can use that slice to bother Djokovic and combinate it with his ATG FH.

Lopez another big threat if Djokovic goes through R3. Out of the 2 grass tournaments he has played, he reached a final in Stuttgart and won Queens. Always been a good player on grass. But he has to up his return game to have a chance here against Djokovic.

Regarding Thiem, I don't expect him to reach a QF here. So if Djokovic passes the test in the 1st week, we may very well have us another Fedole clash at Wimbledon.

Andys path

R1 Q/lucky loser
R2 Brown
R3 Fognini
R4 Pouille/Kyrgios
QF Wawrinka
SF Nadal/Cilic
F Djokovic/Fed

Murray has a tricky draw tbh, a circusman like Brown should be no problem for Andy but Brown is very dangerous on grass and with Murrays form Brown could make a contest out of this, although I expect Andy will sort this out. Fognini is also a circusman but compared to brown he doesn't have the weapons on grass that will hurt Andy, andy is better at every department. In R4, it could get dangerous for Andy, if one of the opponents that is listed in R4 are there, I think it would be more dangerous for Andy to play them rather than Wawrinka. And here I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out considering the doubts on his form. If Andy passes the test in R4, I think he goes all the way to the SF.

Nadals path

1R Millman
2R Young/Istomin
3R Khachanov
4R Muller
QF Cilic
SF Murray/Kyrgios/Pouille
F Federer

Nadal got a dream draw the first 4 rounds but it gets tricky for him from QF onwards. I wanna comment about one possible match up though in the first week and that is Khachanov. This could get ugly for Nadal, we know his history the past 5 years and Khachanov can be the Rosol for Nadal. Great upcoming young player with some breaktrough results this year with a very powerful game of both wings and moves well for his height. I would put a question mark on this match and something people should watch, but Nadal has improved some elements in his game so my thought is he will sort Khachanov out in the end, and end the first week ghost at wimbledon, but that is just my thought, watch out for Khachanov. Muller in the 4th round will be no problem for Nadal, he is also a dangerous player on grass, but his game suits Nadal better. He has a serve and net game but that is easy pickings for Nadal. Muller has no groundgame that could hurt Nadal.

Nadal v Cilic in the QF should that happen will be a cracker, and if Nadal manages to arrive to a QF here, then that means he is playing well. Same for Cilic. This match could go either way, and should Cilic win I don't think people will be suprised at all.


Federer path

R1 Dolgopolov
R2 Lajovic
R3 Mischa
R4 Dimitrov
QF Raonic
SF Djokovic
F Nadal/Murray

I hear people having some doubts about his first round match wich is Dolgopolov but I believe this will be no problem at all for Federer. Federer will stroll through the first three rounds, but if Dimitrov gets to R4, THAT could get dangerous for Federer.Not Dolgopolov. But I expect Fed to sort it out to advance to another Raonic clash on the green heavens. Here, federer better watch out if the real Raonic shows up at Wimbledon. He may very well go out here.

Djokovic got the toughest 1st week of the big 4, but got the easiest QF.

Nadal got the easiest first week, but the toughest QF of the big 4.

Federer also up there with Nadal for the easiest first week, but gets tough in the QF.

BUT, anything can happen, and all these projected draws are uncertain, it can change very quickly this and draws can open up. So this is just my thought on the big 4 and how it looks for them going into wimbledon.

Thanks.

"Del Potro is proven to be a very solid grass courter........."

What do you base this premise on? Delpo has made the 4th round twice and the SF once; other than that, recently, he's been absent mostly due to injury.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
We know djoker won't be around for the semi.

We don't. Or I could just as well say that we know Murray won't be around for the SF because of his injured hip and Fed will have to beat Djokodal back-to-back to win the title (which isn't happening at this stage of his career).

Top half is loaded. Muzzard, Nadal, Stanimal, Cilic, Tsonga, Kyrgios. There is literally nobody going to beat fed until possibly the final. And I see him winning it handily against muzzard or rafa.

I thought Stan has no prayer against Nadal unless the latter is half-dead and now he's suddenly a threat (on grass LOL)? Also, Tsonga or Kyrgios are Murray's problem, not Nadal's. Kachanov, Muller and Cilic are his potential obstacles.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Neither. Rafa's an honest, clean athlete who has worked very hard and deserves what he's got.
But I just don't buy your party line that he was always injured or unwell or rusty or tired when he lost. These things happen to everyone. You can't hold different people to different standards.

I hope he remains healthy too, but what are your concerns about his health considering he just blitzed his way through the clay season, and has rested through the first half of the grass season.
Do you think he may catch hay fever on the hallowed grass of SW19, or he may contract shingles from playing the semifinal with Sir Andy ?

I never would have guessed you think that hay fever and Sir Andy's shingles are the only problems of the tennis players! :eek:
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa's an honest, clean athlete who has worked very hard and deserves what he's got.
But I just don't buy your party line that he was always injured or unwell or rusty or tired when he lost. These things happen to everyone. You can't hold different people to different standards.

The reason we keep pointing out Rafa's losses due to illness and injury is because his detractors DELIBERATELY disregard the blindingly obvious claiming those losses were not due to injury: SF against Murray - 2010 AO, QF against Ferrer - 2011 AO, Final against Wawa - 2014 AO. Just to name a few.
 
Federer's draw by far the easiest dolgo,micha both easy beats for fed and... Dimitrov and Raonic are both in the worst form of their career

Murray has it the worst having to play Fognini, brown, nick consecutively in the early rounds all livewires .. and than Wawrinka,rafa,fed/novak
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer's draw by far the easiest dolgo,micha both easy beats for fed and... Dimitrov and Raonic are both in the worst form of their career

Murray has it the worst having to play Fognini, brown, nick consecutively in the early rounds all livewires .. and than Wawrinka,rafa,fed/novak

In a world full of mugs, Murray probably has the worst draw, with his own hip being the biggest obstacle.

People underestimate Lopez, Stan, Dimitrov. While Brown, Khachanov and Fog are presented as big threats, despite never winning anything. Even Istomin - LOL - a player who has one notable win in his entire career, against a poor Djokovic, is brought up :rolleyes: Nothing new.
 

Mazz Retic

Hall of Fame
The reason we keep pointing out Rafa's losses due to illness and injury is because his detractors DELIBERATELY disregard the blindingly obvious claiming those losses were not due to injury: SF against Murray - 2010 AO, QF against Ferrer - 2011 AO, Final against Wawa - 2014 AO. Just to name a few.
That's a reasonable position. I think people on the other side see it as a dig at the legitmacy of whoever beat rafa and whoever won the whole tournament. Of course I know you are not of that ilk clayqueen but that is where the defensiveness comes from other camps.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer's draw by far the easiest dolgo,micha both easy beats for fed and... Dimitrov and Raonic are both in the worst form of their career

Murray has it the worst having to play Fognini, brown, nick consecutively in the early rounds all livewires .. and than Wawrinka,rafa,fed/novak
That's why I wasn't bothered whether Rafa was seeded 1, 2, 3 or 4. It makes no difference. But being seeded 5 instead of the top 4 makes a huge difference.
 
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Get A Grip

Hall of Fame
ON some level I think saying who has an easy or hard draw is absurd, because you really don't know what kind of form particular players are going to be in.
Still, we look at draws--because they are juicy things waiting to be squeezed--and have opinions.

I think hardest to easiest in this order:

Murray
Djokovic
Nadal
Federer

Fed fans don't get up in arms (I see elsewhere you think Fed has the hardest draw, LOL) Fed's draw is the least hard due to the 1rst 3 opponents, Dmit being so unstable, Raonic being weak these days, and finally--Fed doesn't have to play the favourite, himself!!!!

These looks at draws are based on seeds coming through, we know they don't, so the draw we are making judgements on is merely theoretical.

Oh just start the bloody tournament already so can stop f-ing the speculative dog, as the English might say.
 
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