My Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph & RF97 LS Review VS My Prostaff 85

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I have just gotten back into playing tennis after a 5 year break. I am a 4.0 player who is approaching 4.5 if I am being really strict. I hit with an eastern forehand and a one handed continental backhand. I am 31, overweight but otherwise muscular build and I have never had trouble with the weight of the prostaff 85. I settled on it a while back and jumped all over it when they re released it. After messing around with different Ncode and Kfactor 90 sq inch frames, I just kept coming back to the pro staff 85. The feel of the pro staff 85 always felt just unmatched to me. On serves, the volleys at the net, crushing flat forehands, the sliced backhands... It just felt so awesome to use... but technology has changed. It's the big argument I always see that is just overwhelming no matter where I look when I read about tennis rackets. But the laws of physics have not changed. The frame performs incredibly well based on your ability, your swing, and your playing style.

So now that it's been 5 years later and I am a bit rusty, I forget which tension I like, and I forget which strings I like... I thought well... all things considered perhaps I should try something different. Perhaps I should try a bigger frame. My... how times have changed... Wilson no longer even makes a 90 inch frame (is that right?) let alone an 85. Federer uses a 97 now. Really? Wow. Well I'm not Federer. I don't try to be. I will never be a pro. I just want to have fun and enjoy swinging the racket. With the prostaff 85 I just love to hit with it. It IS fun and I have always performed the best with it too.

Ok so I heard all the rave reviews about the RF97 Autograph and so I decided to demo it through Tennis Warehouse. Fantastic experience as always from Tennis Warehouse. What I expected was a frame which would be about the same weight, balance, swingweight etc, just basically a bigger head size. So a larger sweetspot and more forgiving, without compromising too much on everything else.

My experience after demoing it is that I noticed quite a bit less power and accuracy on my serve. I noticed that it was easier a little bit easier to generate spin and I was able to handle the ball when it was hit high to my backhand. This frame felt lighter. I didn't feel as tired swinging it... which was odd because it's very similar to the prostaff85. Maybe the rubber vs leather grip made a noticeable difference? I have trouble sometimes with topspin shots that go high on me backhand side. This racket seemed to help a lot with these shots as I could slice them back very effectively. Other than that I did not like this racket at all.

I felt that with the RF97 Autograph it was significantly less powerful on backhand drives, forehand drives, and volleys. It felt more like a flyswatter and less like a frying pan. The shots just felt so much less concentrated in the middle of the frame in the way that they are in the prostaff 85 with the tiny sweet spot. I LOVE the unmistakable feel of a freight train in my hand slamming into the ball. With this racket I was bullied off the court a bit more so than with the prostaff85 during aggressive rallies.

The RF97 LS was basically not even usable. It felt like hitting with a styrafoam cup. More spin, easier to swing, probably good for a beginner or a junior who is working on their strokes and consistency, but It seemed like it took an awful lot to get the ball moving and put away shots. On the serve it was difficult to generate much pace and I did not even noticed much increase with slice at all.

All of this being said... I am here in the year 2018 wondering what to do. I love the prostaff 85 but feel that I am missing out on potential in a bigger head size. Frankly... if I have to be honest with you all I just picked up an old Wilson Ultra 2 80sq inch and tried it out. LOL. Now this may be my new racket of choice. More power on the serve and groundstrokes, powerful, low sliced backhand, powerful forehands, lethal volleys... the small head frame does not bother me at all.

Does anyone have any comments on this? Is it possible that I may enjoy the RF97 Autograph if I were to string it at something like 70 pounds to help give it that frying pan feel? The demo is strung at 57, which would be feel much tighter on an 85 sq inch IIRC. Does anyone have a similar experience? Should I just stick with the prostaff 85?
 
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Similar position as you right here. Grew up on mids and most notably the Pro Staff 6.0 family of frames, and of course the 85 was dear and near to my heart.

I absolutely hated these new, larger and thicker Pro Staffs. I basically bashed them when they were released. But the added power was undeniable and it brought me closer to what everybody else was enjoying = easy power.

What you're describing is basically how tennis was played 20 years ago. When I was growing up, small frames, high string tension, and that frying pan feel was what I grew accustomed to as well. But the game has changed and everybody has moved onto larger, more powerful frames.

If you're serious about changing racquets, especially if you're coming from traditional Pro Staffs, you need more than a week's worth of demo. Honestly, it took me a year to be comfortable with my Pro Staff RF97 Autograph. Half of that time was used to just forget what tennis racquet was supposed to feel like in my hand and in motion.
 
Similar position - grew up playing with a 6.1 Classic and my muscle memory with that stick is deeply ingrained. I have a modern stick - a 9.9 oz (!!) Volkl - that's great fun to goof around with but my strokes go to pieces if I try to use it in a match. I'm lucky-ish that the 6.1 was continued in a slightly lighter format until 2014, but maybe you could try the older box beam "Tour 90" Pro Staffs or the more recent "Pro Staff 95" that was the precursor to the current Pro Staff 97. You'd have to hit the big auction site for those though.
 
Or look at Angell TC90. Spec it as you wish. There’s reviews about it available eg Tennisnerd did one recently - it’s on YouTube. There’s an active community and thread on TT too. They’ll respond if you ask. If it’s of interest you can contact the owner Paul Angell, describe your problem and he’ll advise you. And advise you well. He used to design frames for people like Rafter, Henman etc before starting his own company so knows his stuff. Apologies if you know about this already.


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well im glad its just not me... I used to play with the wilson ultra 2... super solid.. better than the prostaff 85 imo... its a favorite of mine.. i played with it for years...

that being said... as i got older i felt like my game wasnt evolving... so i switched to the rf97 after trying several frames... i felt the racquet updated my game to the point i can feel competitive again... took a while to get used to but there are definitely things that are good about the racquet

i also string at 63-65 lbs... eventhough its not recommended..
 
I switched from the 6.1 95 after about 15 years or more to the RF 97 -- generally the transition has been very smooth (it's been three years since I switched so I still think of it as my new racquet). I had to tweak strings and tensions a bit but finally got there (I went a little tighter than my 6.1s--I am at 58 with a full bed of X-1 Biphase 18, although I also like a hybid of the X-1 and Black Code 18 @ 45 -- I shred both layups pretty quickly). But, I get what works for some will not work for others . . . of the other sticks that I like that are similar to what I liked about the 6.1 95 were the Yonex V-Core, the Head Prestige, and the Technifibre TFlight 315 Ltd. I have a buddy who has a similar history with the 6.1 95 and he did go with some Angell frames (which he is very happy with). Oh, so many choices these days.
 
Finally switched from the ps85 to the Prince Phantom 93p. Definitely worth a demo in your situation.

Second that. It's been a long time since I've hit with my brother's PS 85, but I am a sucker for those traditional frames. The Prince Phantom 93P has common attributes with the PS 85, being rock solid, hefty and control oriented, while being softer on the arm and more forgiving. I would put this at the top of the list of the frames to try.
 
I felt that with the RF97 Autograph it was significantly less powerful on backhand drives, forehand drives, and volleys. It felt more like a flyswatter and less like a frying pan. The shots just felt so much less concentrated in the middle of the frame in the way that they are in the prostaff 85 with the tiny sweet spot. I LOVE the unmistakable feel of a freight train in my hand slamming into the ball. With this racket I was bullied off the court a bit more so than with the prostaff85 during aggressive rallies.

Try some lead on the RF97A, and it won't feel like a flyswatter.

I have 6g at 10 and 2. Definitely don't get bullied like you're describing!
 
I have just gotten back into playing tennis after a 5 year break. I am a 4.0 player who is approaching 4.5 if I am being really strict. I hit with an eastern forehand and a one handed continental backhand. I am 31, overweight but otherwise muscular build and I have never had trouble with the weight of the prostaff 85. I settled on it a while back and jumped all over it when they re released it. After messing around with different Ncode and Kfactor 90 sq inch frames, I just kept coming back to the pro staff 85. The feel of the pro staff 85 always felt just unmatched to me. On serves, the volleys at the net, crushing flat forehands, the sliced backhands... It just felt so awesome to use... but technology has changed. It's the big argument I always see that is just overwhelming no matter where I look when I read about tennis rackets. But the laws of physics have not changed. The frame performs incredibly well based on your ability, your swing, and your playing style.

So now that it's been 5 years later and I am a bit rusty, I forget which tension I like, and I forget which strings I like... I thought well... all things considered perhaps I should try something different. Perhaps I should try a bigger frame. My... how times have changed... Wilson no longer even makes a 90 inch frame (is that right?) let alone an 85. Federer uses a 97 now. Really? Wow. Well I'm not Federer. I don't try to be. I will never be a pro. I just want to have fun and enjoy swinging the racket. With the prostaff 85 I just love to hit with it. It IS fun and I have always performed the best with it too.

Ok so I heard all the rave reviews about the RF97 Autograph and so I decided to demo it through Tennis Warehouse. Fantastic experience as always from Tennis Warehouse. What I expected was a frame which would be about the same weight, balance, swingweight etc, just basically a bigger head size. So a larger sweetspot and more forgiving, without compromising too much on everything else.

My experience after demoing it is that I noticed quite a bit less power and accuracy on my serve. I noticed that it was easier a little bit easier to generate spin and I was able to handle the ball when it was hit high to my backhand. This frame felt lighter. I didn't feel as tired swinging it... which was odd because it's very similar to the prostaff85. Maybe the rubber vs leather grip made a noticeable difference? I have trouble sometimes with topspin shots that go high on me backhand side. This racket seemed to help a lot with these shots as I could slice them back very effectively. Other than that I did not like this racket at all.

I felt that with the RF97 Autograph it was significantly less powerful on backhand drives, forehand drives, and volleys. It felt more like a flyswatter and less like a frying pan. The shots just felt so much less concentrated in the middle of the frame in the way that they are in the prostaff 85 with the tiny sweet spot. I LOVE the unmistakable feel of a freight train in my hand slamming into the ball. With this racket I was bullied off the court a bit more so than with the prostaff85 during aggressive rallies.

The RF97 LS was basically not even usable. It felt like hitting with a styrafoam cup. More spin, easier to swing, probably good for a beginner or a junior who is working on their strokes and consistency, but It seemed like it took an awful lot to get the ball moving and put away shots. On the serve it was difficult to generate much pace and I did not even noticed much increase with slice at all.

All of this being said... I am here in the year 2018 wondering what to do. I love the prostaff 85 but feel that I am missing out on potential in a bigger head size. Frankly... if I have to be honest with you all I just picked up an old Wilson Ultra 2 80sq inch and tried it out. LOL. Now this may be my new racket of choice. More power on the serve and groundstrokes, powerful, low sliced backhand, powerful forehands, lethal volleys... the small head frame does not bother me at all.

Does anyone have any comments on this? Is it possible that I may enjoy the RF97 Autograph if I were to string it at something like 70 pounds to help give it that frying pan feel? The demo is strung at 57, which would be feel much tighter on an 85 sq inch IIRC. Does anyone have a similar experience? Should I just stick with the prostaff 85?

I recommend that you demo the Yonex Vcore pro 330. I have the same racquet history and play at the same level as you. I ended up with the DR 98 with some weight modifications, but I really think you’ll like the Vcore Pro 330 based on your comments and my experience with that frame.
 
Thank you for all the replies. So ultimately would it be considered foolish to keep using a prostaff 85 but upgrade my strings? I play well with it. I enjoy hitting with it. I don’t shank a lot of balls with it.
 
Try the (newer) Pro Staff 97s. It is a true box beam, has that classic Pro Staff 85/90 feel in a more forgiving package.
 
The RF97 needs a bit of lead at 12 to get the tinny feel out of it.
It's not a scalpel type racquet it's more about spin for control.
I don't think it's a good slice racquet so if you intend to slice the BH a lot better look at tighter string pattern.
Unfortunately unless you lead up racquets there are not many with more power.
 
Or, just keep playing with the PS85 if you like it. Why not? You're 31 years old - too old to become a pro or anything. No need to worry about finding that special edge in equipment. Just play with what you like.
 
Prince Phantom 93P is the answer. It will feel like a more forgiving, comfortable and competetive PS85.
 
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Old post I know but curious what your verdict was on a racquet. Find what works and keep using it. If that's an 85 then have fun I have seen few around here use a 137 Gamma. Like you said none of us hackers are going pro anytime soon.
 
Used PS for ages, later on I found vantage custom (same as Angell) to provide me with that old school feel. Recently I bought some pro tour 2.0 I’m testing them at the moment, so far it’s been positive. Have to change pallets and a fairway leather grip before they are a perfect match.
 
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