Nadal: “The 25-Second Rule Will Harm the Fans”

Warmaster said:
It will harm his fans.

The average tennis enthusiast approves this bold decision!
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So true. We want more people interested in watching the sport, particularly on tv where the greatest amount of revenue is generated for the sport. Our society is demanding more and more things to go quicker and more fast paced. Take the boom of 20/20 cricket for example.

The more we can speed things up without putting players at risk, the better in my opinion.
 
To be honest I don't see how this is any different to Federer saying he wants to speed up the courts. Both comments are essentially asking for tennis to revolve around their personal style of play.
 
Love_No1e said:
To be honest I don't see how this is any different to Federer saying he wants to speed up the courts. Both comments are essentially asking for tennis to revolve around their personal style of play.
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Although I agree that their agendas may be similar, the huge difference is that one is right and the other is wrong.

Federer does not complain about clay being slow. Or there being too many clay tournaments. He says the game lacks VARIETY, and that even on surfaces supposed to be quick, it's not possible anymore.
Nadal acts like there's some new rule, while the 25 seconds are in place as long as he plays tennis probably.
 
I disagree with RAFA, some matches are great but not all of them, so 25 seconds' rule is great.


Suggestions give them only two balls to serve, no more.
 
Mustard said:
Of course Nadal is right about the 25 second rule. It's only become an issue in recent years because of the Federer fanatics and the anti-Nadal brigade. Federer seldom takes 20 seconds to serve, while Nadal is on the slower side, so they try to hammer Nadal with bureaucracy.
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That just a rather stupid comment. Djokovic fans are calling Nadal out, as well as Murray fans. I've seen Fed haters calling out Nadal on the issue. Nadal just makes every tennis match, for me as a fan, a bore to watch. Even on simple points (say, an ace), he will take A LONG time before finishing all of his idiotic rituals and serve. Heck, even though I hate Nadal, I usually want him to put the first serve in just so I don't have to wait for another 15 seconds until he hits the 2nd serve.

You have proved that while you know a lot of tennis history, you have zero credibility in terms of analyzing the game and being objective. You are nothing more than a glorified *******.
 
Tsonga and Federer proved you can have a great 5 set match in less than 4 hours.

These 6 hour matches where guys are taking forever between points are like making a birthday cake too big and trying to spread too little icing on it.

You know what that leads to?

Crying children. You people are evil :evil:
 
veroniquem said:
Mustard is right. The only reason this thing even came about is because Fed likes to play super fast. (Hence the implication everyone should be the same. Personally, I often lose interest in Fed's matches because I don't have time to get excited with the rallies. ). Same as random doping accusations on the other top 4 (the implication is: Fed is the only one not athletic enough to be suspicious. Well, too bad, I really enjoy the increase of athleticism in the sport. Makes it much more interesting). Same with the obsession about surface speed (the implication being that aging Fed will have an easier time on fast ones. Sorry but medium paced surfaces are much more favorable to variety in styles). Etc, etc
It's this kind of blind fanaticism that makes one looking forward to the day when Fed retires. At least, we'll finally get a break with hypocritical rants and demands that would actually do nothing for tennis's popularity and success.
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You're a joke (not a surprise though). Fed plays ACCORDING TO THE RULES. I know its a shock for you that some people actually do respect rules, I bet you don't respect many rules in your everday life, but rules are there and if someone breaks them (hint: NADAL), he needs to be punished. Its simple logic even 4-year old childern can understand.

I stopped reading when you said Fed isn't athletic. You sure give a whole new level of "speaking out of your butt".
 
BeHappy said:
Remember Ivanisevic would take 2 seconds between aces?

Agassi served fast too.
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We could saving some $ for TV, imagine if Rafa stop nailing his ... and Nole only bounce 5 times the ball ... OMG there's some good time there.

In the other hand, after a 60 shots rally, those 25 seconds could be delayed with claps and the umpire not watching the clock :roll:
 
This argument from Nadal does not really sit well, if he played more offensive the points would be shorter and he woul dnot need to long in between points.

Isner with a serve at a top speed of 148 mph his the ball so hard that he can hit through anyone on any surface on his day this generally keeps the rallies very short ensuring that John does not violate the 25 second rule! :)
 
rommil said:
After numerous Djokodal marathons, the rule was pushed because some of the spectators pictures started appearing on milk cartons
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The mothers of Rafa fans actually don't want their kids to come back home, so it must have been a Nole fan's Mum who went out looking for her missing kid.

:D
 
Magnus said:
You're a joke (not a surprise though). Fed plays ACCORDING TO THE RULES. I know its a shock for you that some people actually do respect rules, I bet you don't respect many rules in your everday life, but rules are there and if someone breaks them (hint: NADAL), he needs to be punished. Its simple logic even 4-year old childern can understand.

I stopped reading when you said Fed isn't athletic. You sure give a whole new level of "speaking out of your butt".
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:lol: Federer isn't athletic. Wow. Sometimes you have to wonder if some of these people actually watch tennis.
 
BeHappy said:
Remember Ivanisevic would take 2 seconds between aces?

Agassi served fast too.
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Watch some classic Agassi/Sampras matches and look at the pace between points there. Then compare to any match Nadal plays.

I think this is what is really making people say that tennis is getting boring, not the style of play during the actual points.

Sharapova is another one, always turning her back on the server to slow them down.
 
joeri888 said:
Although I agree that their agendas may be similar, the huge difference is that one is right and the other is wrong.

Federer does not complain about clay being slow. Or there being too many clay tournaments. He says the game lacks VARIETY, and that even on surfaces supposed to be quick, it's not possible anymore.
Nadal acts like there's some new rule, while the 25 seconds are in place as long as he plays tennis probably.
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quoted for absolute truth. You dont hear fed threatening to boycott tourneys if the surface isnt to his liking, you dont hear him saying clay should be sped up, there should be less clay and more grass tourneys etc.
 
Magnus said:
That just a rather stupid comment. Djokovic fans are calling Nadal out, as well as Murray fans. I've seen Fed haters calling out Nadal on the issue. Nadal just makes every tennis match, for me as a fan, a bore to watch. Even on simple points (say, an ace), he will take A LONG time before finishing all of his idiotic rituals and serve. Heck, even though I hate Nadal, I usually want him to put the first serve in just so I don't have to wait for another 15 seconds until he hits the 2nd serve.

You have proved that while you know a lot of tennis history, you have zero credibility in terms of analyzing the game and being objective. You are nothing more than a glorified *******.
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Mustard loses all objectivity when it comes to Armstrong and Nadal.
They could be caught murdering someone and he'd find a way to justify it.
He ****s hard for them.
 
SLD76 said:
Mustard loses all objectivity when it comes to Armstrong and Nadal.
They could be caught murdering someone and he'd find a way to justify it.
He ****s hard for them.
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Very true! I found it highly surprising that he was fighting for Nadal and when it comes to Nadal also. I don't think Mustard would support the idea of some faster courts as it helps Tennis a lot. Since it's against Nadal's chances he would fight against it
 
Feather said:
Very true! I found it highly surprising that he was fighting for Nadal and when it comes to Nadal also. I don't think Mustard would support the idea of some faster courts as it helps Tennis a lot. Since it's against Nadal's chances he would fight against it
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Actually, I support more clay, more grass, more carpet, and a lot less hardcourt. Fat chance of it happening, though. People who accuse me of blindly supporting Nadal obviously don't remember me opposing the 2-year ranking nonsense Nadal came out with a while back. I support Nadal in regards to the time-rule, and how hardcourts damage the body, because he is correct on those issues.
 
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Mustard said:
Actually, I support more clay, more grass, more carpet, and a lot less hardcourt. Fat chance of it happening, though. People who accuse me of blindly supporting Nadal obviously don't remember me opposing the 2-year ranking nonsense Nadal came out with a while back. I support Nadal in regards to the time-rule, and how hardcourts damage the body, because he is correct on those issues.
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Is there any evidence that hardcourts are worse for tennis players than say, playing ridiculously long rallies on slow clay courts?
 
Vrad said:
Watching a grown adult publicly scratch his butt on TV is pretty traumatic too...Maybe they should deduct points for that.
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Imagine how bad his fingers must stink by the end of a match. I don't think I could shake his hand. It's so nasty.
 
Mustard said:
Actually, I support more clay, more grass, more carpet, and a lot less hardcourt. Fat chance of it happening, though. People who accuse me of blindly supporting Nadal obviously don't remember me opposing the 2-year ranking nonsense Nadal came out with a while back. I support Nadal in regards to the time-rule, and how hardcourts damage the body, because he is correct on those issues.
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How can he be right about the time rule when he's one of a small minority who abuses it? Imagine how long matches would be if they were allowed 40-50 seconds between serves? The spectators would be sleeping in their seats.
 
Vrad said:
Is there any evidence that hardcourts are worse for tennis players than say, playing ridiculously long rallies on slow clay courts?
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Actually it can be argued that there's evidence to the contrary, HC specialists enjoy longer careers and late career success than CC specialists who often burn out relatively young.

I'm using "specialists" as a loose term, say players for whom HC or clay is their 1st or 2nd best surface.
 
Vrad said:
Is there any evidence that hardcourts are worse for tennis players than say, playing ridiculously long rallies on slow clay courts?
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Don't have any concrete evidence, but common sense would lead one to believe that:

- Long rallies on slow hard courts cause more wear and tear than long rallies on slow clay courts
- Shorter rallies on fast hard courts cause less wear and tear than long rallies on slow clay courts
 
Mustard said:
Actually, I support more clay, more grass, more carpet, and a lot less hardcourt. Fat chance of it happening, though. People who accuse me of blindly supporting Nadal obviously don't remember me opposing the 2-year ranking nonsense Nadal came out with a while back. I support Nadal in regards to the time-rule, and how hardcourts damage the body, because he is correct on those issues.
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Fair enough Mustard, but lemme ask you one thing? Why can't we have some courts fast? Why do you think that all courts should be slow? Why can't we have a fast grass and a fast US Open? Why can't we have courts that offers something to the aggressive players? I know you are not a teen ager who started watching Tennis only in 200s. So wouldn't it be fair if there were variety?
 
You now, if he just argued that tennis has evolved, it's more physical, the points are generally longer, it's a real grind, the surfaces are slower, and therefore there should be no hard 25-second rule, I'd be compeltely fine with that. But, "harm the fans" is such an evasive and inane argument.
 
OrangePower said:
Don't have any concrete evidence, but common sense would lead one to believe that:

- Long rallies on slow hard courts cause more wear and tear than long rallies on slow clay courts
- Shorter rallies on fast hard courts cause less wear and tear than long rallies on slow clay courts
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Is this a pun? :lol:
 
Forget the HCs, his whole argument is BS when you consider that he claims he knew he was destined to have knee issues because of the conginetal defect in his foot. Plus the decision to still play a grinding style even with the knowledge of the damage and strain it would put on the knees.

You wonder why the team didnt try and alter Rafa's playing style if they knew his knees would eventually crap out.
 
SLD76 said:
Forget the HCs, his whole argument is BS when you consider that he claims he knew he was destined to have knee issues because of the conginetal defect in his foot. Plus the decision to still play a grinding style even with the knowledge of the damage and strain it would put on the knees.

You wonder why the team didnt try and alter Rafa's playing style if they knew his knees would eventually crap out.
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This is true. They've always known, but they would never change his style, otherwise he likely wouldn't have 11 GS to his name.
 
SLD76 said:
Forget the HCs, his whole argument is BS when you consider that he claims he knew he was destined to have knee issues because of the conginetal defect in his foot. Plus the decision to still play a grinding style even with the knowledge of the damage and strain it would put on the knees.

You wonder why the team didnt try and alter Rafa's playing style if they knew his knees would eventually crap out.
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What's this about the 'congenital foot' problem? This seems like relatively new news that's been trumpeted by his fans. Any link to his claim? A quick google search seems to point to him mentioning it in his best selling memoir released in 2011...
 
ivan_the_terrible said:
What's this about the 'congenital foot' problem? This seems like relatively new news that's been trumpeted by his fans. Any link to his claim? A quick google search seems to point to him mentioning it in his best selling memoir released in 2011...
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Well I'm sorry to say, but you've obviously been sleeping under a rock for the last 8 or so years if you haven't heard about Nadal's foot problem. Keep in mind that this article was written in 2012, but refers to when Nadal was 19 (i.e about 2005).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...est-fear-arrives/story-e6frg7mf-1226452902007

By the way, I don't mean to rub it in, but that's the first article that pops up on google if you type in "Nadal foot congenital. The word congenital even pops up for you after you type in "Nadal foot..."
 
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OrangePower said:
Don't have any concrete evidence, but common sense would lead one to believe that:

- Long rallies on slow hard courts cause more wear and tear than long rallies on slow clay courts
- Shorter rallies on fast hard courts cause less wear and tear than long rallies on slow clay courts
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“Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it.”
--Rene Descartes


“Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. “
--Albert Einstein


“Common sense is the little man in a gray suit who never makes a mistake in addition. But it's always somebody else's money he's adding up.”
--Raymond Chandler

“Common-sense appears to be only another name for the thoughtlessness of the unthinking.”
--Somerset Maugham


“Common sense is what tells us the Earth is flat and the Sun goes around it.”
--Stuart Chase
 
zam88 said:
Who could possibly sit through that entire 2012 AO final!! 6 hours?
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The 2012 Australian Open Final was easily the most watched tennis match of 2012. I know people who very rarely watch tennis (and actually dislike tennis) who ended up watching the ENTIRE match. If tennis organizers could be given an exact copy of the 2012 Australian Open final for their event, they would take it. And when that 2012 Australian Open final was over, people wanted to see more. Not less.
 
"Because if it’s something mathematical, it will harm the fans.”
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Agree with Nadal it will harm the *******s in particular, far too complicated, most dont understand a basic mathematical equation with numbers below 25.

17>11
 
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rommil said:
Yes, the *******s get winded by the pace and not have time to go to the refrigerator for snacks.
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My neighbour whose 20 year old is a fan of the Nadal says he saves on baby-sitter fees whenever there's a Djokodal match, so i guess Nadal is right.
 
Nadal wouldn't need more than 20s to recover from a point if he went for the winner instead of just putting it to the other side of the court.
 
JustBob said:
Odd, when I type "Nadal foot" in google, the first predictive text that pops up is "in mouth". :)
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And when I type in "federer cry" it says "federer crying after loss to nadal"
federer-crying-aust-open-091.jpg

Not odd.
 
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