0-6 against Federer since 2014 AO, 0-8 against Djokovic since 2013 USO.
I thought about it and then I said it. Discuss.
Nadal is the clay goat but fed and joker are the real goats
0-6 against Federer since 2014 AO, 0-8 against Djokovic since 2013 USO.
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H2h is vital. Every player knows their h2h record v their rivals.
They don't actually and neither do the fans. Almost everyone knows the slam tally of any Open Era ATG but ask them about a H2H and they'll have to go check.
I have never ever ever heard them mention head to head stats between Bjorg/Mac or Pete/Agassi or whoever on tv. Not a single time. All the commentators and analysts talk about are slam counts and specific all time great finals.
1980 Bjorg VS Mac Wimbledon is always mentioned. Their head to head stat. Never!
It's to balance that their meetings don't represent the surface distribution percentage, that's the only reason. If Fed and Rafa played for example 10 times on grass and 1 time at RG, then we would use outside of grass too.
And also mastering two surfaces is exponentially harder , so 5 AO+5 USO is not equal to 10 FO.
If Rafa had 5 AO and 5 FO, that is way superior than 9 FO and 1 AO for example. It's the same as mastering two languages versus just one. It's so much harder.
Outside of clay is not an argument. Clay is a proper surface regardless of what Fed fans and Nole fans say. You don't hear Rafa fans say something like "outside of grass". It doesn't make any sense0-6 against Federer since 2014 AO, 0-8 against Djokovic since 2013 USO.
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Maybe because "outside of grass" is pretty much everything that isn't Wimbledon lmao.Outside of clay is not an argument. Clay is a proper surface regardless of what Fed fans and Nole fans say. You don't hear Rafa fans say something like "outside of grass". It doesn't make any sense
Really? Take it u didnt read sampras book then?They don't actually and neither do the fans. Almost everyone knows the slam tally of any Open Era ATG but ask them about a H2H and they'll have to go check.
Nadal knows how to pick his battles, no?
Federer and Djokovic missing - I gonna play, no?
Federer and Djokovic come back - I tired, no?
That's called being actually injured. XDDDDI wonder why Fed devotees have forgotten that Fed pulled out of the Cincinnati Masters after the Canada Masters final 2 years ago.
The Cincinnati Masters website: ¤¤ Roger Federer, a seven-time champion at the Western & Southern Open [Cincinnati Masters] has withdrawn from the 2017 tournament.
"Unfortunately, I tweaked my back in Montreal and I need to rest this week," Federer said.
A lucky loser will replace Federer in the draw. ¤¤
Federer Withdraws From W&S Open
Roger Federer, a seven-time champion at the Western & Southern Open, has withdrawn from the 2017 tournament.www.wsopen.com
That's called being actually injured. XDDDD
Clearly you didn't watch the Canada final that year. 99% of other players would've retired mid-match, but Roger fought through it even though he clearly couldn't move. He wasn't even leaving the ground on serves by the end.I wonder why Fed devotees have forgotten that Fed pulled out of the Cincinnati Masters after the Canada Masters final 2 years ago.
The Cincinnati Masters website: ¤¤ Roger Federer, a seven-time champion at the Western & Southern Open [Cincinnati Masters] has withdrawn from the 2017 tournament.
"Unfortunately, I tweaked my back in Montreal and I need to rest this week," Federer said.
A lucky loser will replace Federer in the draw. ¤¤
Federer Withdraws From W&S Open
Roger Federer, a seven-time champion at the Western & Southern Open, has withdrawn from the 2017 tournament.www.wsopen.com
0-6 against Federer since 2014 AO, 0-8 against Djokovic since 2013 USO.
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This is what i too feel, its about winning one close encounter against them and it could all change dor rafa off clay but it has to happen soon.Nadal has lost his confidence regarding Novak and RF. Very simple.
Rafa was the confidence giant, but no more. The proof is that he lost 3 5-setters during this period i.e. he has the weapons to beat them.
It won't happen. Maybe at FO vs Djokovic he wins in 5 again, but other three slams, no chance. Rafa had his chance in Wimby semis 2018, and he threw it away. Such chances come very rarely. He literally can win non-FO slams now only when the draw opens up without Novak or Roger. He has devolved as a competitor, despite still being successful.E
This is what i too feel, its about winning one close encounter against them and it could all change dor rafa off clay but it has to happen soon.
Stranger things have happened in tennis and you can never count these big guys out or say that a particular thing is unachievable for them as they have time and again proven many wrong.It won't happen. Maybe at FO vs Djokovic he wins in 5 again, but other three slams, no chance. Rafa had his chance in Wimby semis 2018, and he threw it away. Such chances come very rarely. He literally can win non-FO slams now only when the draw opens up without Novak or Roger. He has devolved as a competitor, despite still being successful.
I agree, but his H2H vs Novak and Roger is horrendous since 2014. That's 5 years. Awful score, roughly 3 wins and 15 losses or something. Why would it change after so many years? There are no signs of it changing. RF is playing superb tennis and so is Novak. Whatever mental edge he had over them from a decade ago when they feared him is gone completely.Stranger things have happened in tennis and you can never count these big guys out or say that a particular thing is unachievable for them as they have time and again proven many wrong.
H2H being irrelevant... that's certainly not a new theory. But it's a rather lousy theory, very popular among certain fan bases...I have never ever ever heard them mention head to head stats between Bjorg/Mac or Pete/Agassi or whoever on tv. Not a single time. All the commentators and analysts talk about are slam counts and specific all time great finals.
1980 Bjorg VS Mac Wimbledon is always mentioned. Their head to head stat. Never!
I don’t think this is fair. it should be obvious from 2014 on the age difference started to benefit Fed more.
Do you think Nadal can reach his peak like Federer has at the age of 38?Keep improving and hope Federer and Djokovic stop improving.
Wait till Fedfans read what you wrote about RF... that he's been improving. They will want you flay you.Keep improving and hope Federer and Djokovic stop improving.
He doesn't have to. He's d primed/peaked/shmeeped at a younger age than Federer.Do you think Nadal can reach his peak like Federer has at the age of 38?
Like oldest player to beat Berrettini in a Slam SF.He doesn't have to. He's d primed/peaked/shmeeped at a younger age than Federer.
Rafa broke several longevity records already.
It's tough to handle, I realize, but just accept it.
Don't worry... RF will soon be the oldest to LOSE to Berrettini...Like oldest player to beat Berrettini in a Slam SF.
You mean when a 50-year old 20+ time Slam champion Fed loses to St. Petersburg champion 35-year old Berrettini on the Champions Tour?Don't worry... RF will soon be the oldest to LOSE to Berrettini...
As usual, you guess is incorrect.You mean when a 50-year old 20+ time Slam champion Fed loses to St. Petersburg champion 35-year old Berrettini on the Champions Tour?
Could you please send me that doc file with every ATP match result for the next 10 years? You seem to know a lot about future results.As usual, you guess is incorrect.
I thought you'd stopped guessing by now, considering your guessing track-record...?
According to GAS theory, Berrettini is only a young baby hence RF should be able to beat him. But he won't.
I only have the next 12 months.Could you please send me that doc file with every ATP match result for the next 10 years? You seem to know a lot about future results.
What's the result of the Nadal-Lajovic USO final?I only have the next 12 months.
Sorry.
Good thing you ask...What's the result of the Nadal-Lajovic USO final?
No Nadal-Lajovic final, then? Man, Nadal dodged a bullet there.Good thing you ask...
Lajovic will beat old man RF (current estimates are he'll be 56 next year) in 3R but he'll lose to a player who will lose to the player who will lose to Novak.
You guess wrong, again.
0-6 against Federer since 2014 AO, 0-8 against Djokovic since 2013 USO.
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Hmm.. Fed devotees thinking about Rafa 24/7 again!