Nadal 2008 v Nadal 2010

Nadal 2008 v Nadal 2010

  • Nadal 2008

    Votes: 29 61.7%
  • Nadal 2010

    Votes: 18 38.3%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .

messiahrobins

Hall of Fame
Obviously, as we have seen this year, winning the FO W USO and FO W OG is exceptionally, if nigh on impossible.

What do people think was Nadal's more impressive feat and why, 2008 or 2010
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
2008 Nadal. He won 8 tournaments in 4 months, had his longest winning streak, had more speed/mobility, the perfect mixture of youth and experience, and ended Federer's 4 and a half year run as world number 1.

Nadal went on another crazy run in the first half of 2009 as well, qualifying for the YEC by early May.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
2008 was his clay/grass peak. 2010 was his hard court peak because of US Open 2010.

If we count peak performances from those years i think 2008 version wins on clay and grass, but losses on hard.
Nadal's hardcourt peak has to be 2013. He won Indian Wells, and later did the Canadian Open, Cincinnati and US Open triple.

The funny thing is that not even Federer and Djokovic did the Canadian Open, Cincinnati and US Open triple in the same year, while Nadal, Roddick and Rafter all did.
 

SpinWizard

Semi-Pro
Nadal's hardcourt peak has to be 2013. He won Indian Wells, and later did the Canadian Open, Cincinnati and US Open triple.

The funny thing is that not even Federer and Djokovic did the Canadian Open, Cincinnati and US Open triple in the same year, while Nadal, Roddick and Rafter all did.
Yeah, i was thinking about it too. 2013 was the most consistent hard court performance in Rafa's whole career. Although i think Rafa in 2013 was already a little bit compromised physically (he was not as fast as 2005-2012). Rafa's forehand on hard in 2013 was definitely his peak though. Especially forehand down the line, which made the difference during summer hc swing. Although i think Rafa's form from US Open 2010 was a tiny bit better, but the difference is very narrow.
 

jl809

Legend
Playing advocate here but interested in the arguments as to why 2010 clay Ned is worse than 2008 clay Ned. We’re talking about a guy who won RG without dropping a set again and unlike in 2008, 2010 won all 3 M1000s going completely unbeaten on clay. His level vs Soderling in the RG final was ridiculous, just because Djokovic or Federer weren’t beaten en route doesn’t necessarily equate to 08 being better
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Nadal's USO 2010 form was slightly better than the 2013 form. But overall on HC, he peaked in 2013. He had some bad losses in 2010 on HC and didn't do that much outside the USO. In 2013, as mentioned, he won the Summer Slam and Indian Wells.



I'd say his peak form overall was from the clay season in 2008 to the sunshine double in 2009. Especially that run from Hamburg to Beijing in 2008.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Playing advocate here but interested in the arguments as to why 2010 clay Ned is worse than 2008 clay Ned.
Watch the matches. Nadal's mobility was better in 2008 in particular.

We’re talking about a guy who won RG without dropping a set again and unlike in 2008
But at the 2008 French Open, Nadal looked several levels above other players. There wasn't that same vibe at the 2010 French Open. I'd even put the 2007, 2012 and 2017 versions of French Open Nadal above the 2010 version.

It was during the 2008 French Open quarter final when Almagro quipped in frustration "It's impossible to beat Rafa here. It's impossible to beat him here. He's going to win Roland Garros 40 years in a row. He'll be 65 years old and still winning Roland Garros."

2010 won all 3 M1000s going completely unbeaten on clay.
Nadal was unbeaten on clay in 2006, but the 2006 French Open was clearly his worst French Open (form-wise) from 2005-2008.

His level vs Soderling in the RG final was ridiculous, just because Djokovic or Federer weren’t beaten en route doesn’t necessarily equate to 08 being better
The final was his best performance at the 2010 French Open. At the 2008 French Open, I couldn't imagine any player winning even 2 sets against Nadal. I was trying to imagine worst case scenarios at the time, and I couldn't imagine even Federer, even Djokovic, winning 2 sets against that Nadal, let alone 3 sets. In the end, neither won a set.
 

JasonZ

Hall of Fame
Nadal's hardcourt peak has to be 2013. He won Indian Wells, and later did the Canadian Open, Cincinnati and US Open triple.

The funny thing is that not even Federer and Djokovic did the Canadian Open, Cincinnati and US Open triple in the same year, while Nadal, Roddick and Rafter all did.
must be a sign that you are not the goat if you win that triple then.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Really hard to say. 2008 was a more impressive season overall to me because 2010 just peaked at the slams.

But if we're only talking about the slams, then I'd probably rather have 2010 because positive gains on hard courts are bigger than the very slight declines on natural surfaces. He was a more rounded player with slightly lower peaks.

But I'm also not a Nadal fan and haven't revisited most of those tournaments in a very long time.
 

dapchai

Legend
nadal's hc peak was actually at uso 08, those who say otherwise know absolutely nothing about tennis and don't respect the goat of men's tennis
 

platypus50

Semi-Pro
2008 by far - he was unstoppable that summer with a 32 match winning streak that covered all 3 surfaces with Hamburg, RG, Queens, Wimbledon, Toronto, ending in the SF in Cincy where he expectedly lost to Djokovic (then he wins the Olympic gold medal in Beijing (beating his toughest HC matchup in Djokovic in the SF) and is ranked world #1 the following day, that was an absolute dream summer for Nadal at the age of 22. At that point in time, Djokovic was playing decent ball and Murray was also starting to come into his own at that time too.
 

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
Can't remember which was better on Clay but just pulled this off a search:

2008 RG:

Breadsticks and bagels galore
:

T Bellucci 5 3 1

N Devilder 4 0 1

J Nieminen 1 3 1

F Verdasco 1 0 2

N Almagro 1 1 1

N Djokovic 4 2 6 (3)

R Federer 1 3 0
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Wb2007 is debatable but it's not ridiculous to say.

Ao17 doesn't even crack his top 3 best runs there.
AO 2017 is his 4th best run at the AO, 2014 was better pre-final but 2017'dal would beat injured'dal. But yeah it's no where near 2009 or 2012.
 

Neptune

Hall of Fame
Nole
2015: 16585, overall 93.2% (82-6), top5 80.0% (16-4), top10 86.1% (31-5)
2011: 13630, overall 92.1% (70-6), top5 81.3% (13-3), top10 84.0% (21-4)

Fed
2006: 15495, overall 94.8% (92-5), top5 66.7% (8-4), top10 82.6% (19-4)
2007: 13xxx, overall 88.3% (68-9), top5 75.0% (9-3), top10 81.0% (17-4)

Rafa
2010: 12450, overall 87.7% (71-10), top5 62.5% (5-3), top10 68.8% (11-5)
2008: 12xxx, overall 88.2% (82-11), top5 78.6% (11-3), top10 73.9% (17-6)
 
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AO 2017 is his 4th best run at the AO, 2014 was better pre-final but 2017'dal would beat injured'dal. But yeah it's no where near 2009 or 2012.
It's really only because of the injury tough, Nadal played very well up until the semis in 2014 and significantly better than 2017 where he struggled far too much against good but not unbeatable players.

Obviously 2009 and 12 belong to a different category.
 

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
It's really only because of the injury tough, Nadal played very well up until the semis in 2014 and significantly better than 2017 where he struggled far too much against good but not unbeatable players.

Obviously 2009 and 12 belong to a different category.

Yeah, let's be honest healthy 2014 AO Nadal would have taken Wawrinka out in 4, absolute max 5. Their h2h speaks for itself.
 

roysid

Legend
Nole
2015: 16585, overall 93.2% (82-6), top5 80.0% (16-4), top10 86.1% (31-5)
2011: 13630, overall 92.1% (70-6), top5 81.3% (13-3), top10 84.0% (21-4)

Fed
2006: 15495, overall 94.8% (92-5), top5 66.7% (8-4), top10 82.6% (19-4)
2007: 13xxx, overall 88.3% (68-9), top5 75.0% (9-3), top10 81.0% (17-4)

Rafa
2010: 12450, overall 87.7% (71-10), top5 62.5% (5-3), top10 68.8% (11-5)
2008: 12xxx, overall 88.2% (82-11), top5 78.6% (11-3), top10 73.9% (17-6)
Feds 2005 season win % is mighty impressive
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
That's debatable.
Nadal's only close match before the 2014 Australian Open final was against Dimitrov in the quarter finals, which Nadal won 3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-2. That first set was the only set that Nadal dropped before the final. A closeish 3-setter with Nishikori too.

Nadal in 2017 had a 5-setter with A. Zverev, an at-times frustrating 4-setter against Monfils and a 5-setter against Dimitrov, all before the final.

Nadal's confidence was higher at the 2014 event. The 2017 event was after two disappointing years on the tour.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's only close match before the 2014 Australian Open final was against Dimitrov in the quarter finals, which Nadal won 3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-2. That first set was the only set that Nadal dropped before the final. A closeish 3-setter with Nishikori too.

Nadal in 2017 had a 5-setter with A. Zverev, an at-times frustrating 4-setter against Monfils and a 5-setter against Dimitrov, all before the final.

Nadal's confidence was higher at the 2014 event. The 2017 event was after two disappointing years on the tour.
And in 2019 he didn't drop any sets before the final, so we have to conclude that was his strongest run to AO final? Number of sets dropped is not everything.

Zverev and Dimitrov were very tough opponents in 2017. That semifinal against Dimitrov was a much higher quality match than their 2014 1/4 final. (where Nadal had a blister, hit 3 double faults in one game, and was extremely lucky not the lose the third set)
 
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Mustard

Bionic Poster
And in 2019 he didn't drop any sets before the final, so we have to conclude that was his strongest run to AO final? Number of sets dropped is not everything.
It was in some ways. Nadal played excellent attacking tennis at the 2019 Australian Open, peaking against Tsitsipas in the semi final. What got exposed in the final was that Nadal's defence wasn't up to the necessary standard at that point, while Djokovic suddenly peaked in the semi final (even better than Nadal's performance) and in the final.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
2008 was his clay/grass peak. 2010 was his hard court peak because of US Open 2010.

If we count peak performances from those years i think 2008 version wins on clay and grass, but losses on hard.
Nadal didn’t win any other big HC titles in 2010 though
 
It's not out of the question that 08 ned could win the 10 uso

I think 08 ned in general could, but not exactly as he played at the 08 US Open. He was visibly fatigued and far from top level the whole event. I don't think that would be good enough to win the 2010 US Open final vs Djokovic. Yes even knowing that isn't the same Djokovic as 2011 Djokovic.
 

SonnyT

Legend
I mean this seriously. No one has proven that 2010 Nadal was ever better than 2011 Nadal. The latter just lost mostly to Djokovic.

No one can prove it positively, but one can show it approximately. Calculate 2010 and 2011 Nadal's winning percentages minus Djokovic for both years. If the percentages were about equal, one could say that Nadal had stayed about level for the two years.
 
I mean this seriously. No one has proven that 2010 Nadal was ever better than 2011 Nadal. The latter just lost mostly to Djokovic.

No one can prove it positively, but one can show it approximately. Calculate 2010 and 2011 Nadal's winning percentages minus Djokovic for both years. If the percentages were about equal, one could say that Nadal had stayed about level for the two years.
Nadal in 2010 was blasting backhands like it was 2013 3 years before and his serve all year, but especially at the US Open was far better. In 2011 in FDL was also not working.

There is a massive difference between 2010 and 2011 Nadal.
 

Cabeza del Demonio

Professional
It was in some ways. Nadal played excellent attacking tennis at the 2019 Australian Open, peaking against Tsitsipas in the semi final. What got exposed in the final was that Nadal's defence wasn't up to the necessary standard at that point, while Djokovic suddenly peaked in the semi final (even better than Nadal's performance) and in the final.
2019 Nadal was exceptional against the field he was up against. Put him up against 2012 or 2009 Nadal, and he gets his sh1t rocked 10 times out of 10.
 
They are both incredible feats.

That 2008 Nadal on grass or clay though, you’d have to kill him to beat him. He barely lost a match on natural surfaces that year.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Nadal didn’t win any other big HC titles in 2010 though
Not "big" but he did win Tokyo after the US Open.

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It was in some ways. Nadal played excellent attacking tennis at the 2019 Australian Open, peaking against Tsitsipas in the semi final. What got exposed in the final was that Nadal's defence wasn't up to the necessary standard at that point, while Djokovic suddenly peaked in the semi final (even better than Nadal's performance) and in the final.
Agree. All the players Nadal played en route to the final, great as they were, were guys who either required just a little more time on the ball - Tsitsipas, Tiafoe etc etc, or were not as good at transitioning from defence to offence quickly (Berdych). There was no one to fully test Nadal defensively to see how he was going to go defending the court.

He needed to be either in the same quarter as Nishikori or Federer to get that match against an elite ball striker who takes the ball extremely early to really know where he was at defensively.
 
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