Nadal 2009 Aus Open vs Nadal 2012 Aus Open ..... Who wins?

Nadal 2009 Aus Open vs Nadal 2012 Aus Open ..... Who wins?

  • Nadal 2009 Aus Open wins this battle

  • Nadal 2012 Aus Open wins this battle


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tudwell

Legend
You must be joking… 2009 Federer was bossing him around the court and he frustrated him with his defence and passing shots.
I'm not saying he was the aggressor in 2009, and obviously his defense and passing shots were a big strength of his, but he was never being bossed around in that match as thoroughly as he was in the second and third sets of the 2012 final. Novak was in total control then and it took some inspired play from Nadal late in the fourth set to make the match as close as it was. The gap between them was bigger than the scoreline would suggest and it would have been quite a steal if Nadal had won the match. Obviously these things are relative – he still played a great match in 2012, but for big chunks of it he was too passive and letting Novak bully him from pillar to post instead of stepping in and ripping it the way he generally did in 2009.
 
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Sunny014

Legend
Where did I mention Federer in my post ?
Lol, Sorry .... I re read your post, you were talking of stan... I thought that was some Fed-Nadal reference :D


How many slams and M1000s in my senario then?
In your scenario where courts remain fast throughout .... ? ..... Federer 25+ slams for sure .... Nadal loses all his wimbledons and some US opens too ..... Djokovic would also lose some slams but he will still do well overall, he is good on the fast courts too .... people like Murray and Tsonga would be more of a challenge ....Roger would also lose a good share of matches in 2010s as he would be in 30s, courts sped up definitely will help Fed kick Djokodal like he regularly did at shanghai .... but those other dudes would also spring surprises .... anyway, 25+ slams booked for Federer in any scenario and a lead in the masters race too ....
 
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RS

G.O.A.T.
Lol, Sorry .... I re read your post, you were talking of stan... I thought that was some Fed-Nadal reference :D




In your scenario where courts remain fast throughout .... ? ..... Federer 25+ slams for sure .... Nadal loses all his wimbledons and some US opens too ..... Djokovic would also lose some slams but he will still do well overall, he is good on the fast courts too .... people like Murray and Tsonga would be more of a challenge ....Roger would also lose a good share of matches in 2010s as he would be in 30s, courts sped up definitely will help Fed kick Djokodal like he regularly did at shanghai .... but those other dudes would also spring surprises .... anyway, 25+ slams booked for Federer in any scenario and a lead in the masters race too ....
I thought you would give Federer 30+ slams tbh.
 

Sunny014

Legend
I thought you would give Federer 30+ slams tbh.
30+ is not possible because Novak is also an ATG on fast courts, he isn't a weakling to allow Fed to win everything.

But Nadal would struggle a lot man, he is very lucky that courts are slow with high bounce.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Even gifting slams he will have more than Fed. Because he didn't choke away slams like fed. Lol
Ya because of weak mugs in the next generation Novak is ahead..... If he had a 5+ years younger Nadal in his next gen chasing him, haha, he would have been toast

Novak is Mr Lucky
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
Ya because of weak mugs in the next generation Novak is ahead..... If he had a 5+ years younger Nadal in his next gen chasing him, haha, he would have been toast

Novak is Mr Lucky
Being lucky is better than being a choker. When he has stats everything else is like talking like a crybaby.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
Yes being lucky is better than being a loser.
No doubt, I too would like to be lucky than struggle vs tough guys, Fed was unlucky.
How was fed unlucky? He had an unprecedented weak era where he had 0 prime ATGs born between 1972-1984 to challenge him. 12 slams won vs mostly sub par competition before Nadal fully matured.
 

Sunny014

Legend
How was fed unlucky? He had an unprecedented weak era where he had 0 prime ATGs born between 1972-1984 to challenge him. 12 slams won vs mostly sub par competition before Nadal fully matured.
That way Novak's entire career he has not had good competition. His best competition outside clay from 2011 was a 30+ year old man and a claydal (who has 50% win record vs top 10 outside clay in slams) and on top of that on clay novak is no match for nadal despite being 1 yr younger, he drops 3 slams to wawrinka and murray who are Fed's sidekicks (like robin is to batman) .....now nature has blessed him with mugs in the next generations, he should everyday worship all the Gods on earth thanking them for this good fortune.... :D
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
That way Novak's entire career he has not had good competition. His best competition outside clay from 2011 was a 30+ year old man and a claydal (who has 50% win record vs top 10 outside clay in slams) and on top of that on clay novak is no match for nadal despite being 1 yr younger, he drops 3 slams to wawrinka and murray who are Fed's sidekicks (like robin is to batman) .....now nature has blessed him with mugs in the next generations, he should everyday worship all the Gods on earth thanking them for this good fortune.... :D
Yes of course, Djokovic was lucky to face Nadal, Federer and Murray for most of his slams. I’m sure he was glad he didn’t have to face Bagdhatis, Philippousis, Kiefer, Hewitt, Roddick and the likes.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Yes of course, Djokovic was lucky to face Nadal, Federer and Murray for most of his slams. I’m sure he was glad he didn’t have to face Bagdhatis, Philippousis, Kiefer, Hewitt, Roddick and the likes.
Novak's H2H vs Roddick 4-5
What is the guarantee that Philipoussis (who was the fastest server of the 1990s) would not have spanked Novak on the grass that was relatively quicker then ?
What is the Guarantee that Hewitt would not have spanked Novak on truly fast courts as Hewitt also relished such conditions?
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
The slower surface in 2012 gives 12 Nadal the boost over 09. Not exactly a fair way to decide it but it is what gives 12 the edge imo.
 
I am amazed to read "2009 was dropping balls shorter" He was not. Both 2012 and 2009 had equal depths. Watch any highlights for 5 minutes, 2009's ball feel loopier but depth wise are equal to 2012, Nadal opting for loopier stroke meant more margin for error and anyone teeing off of them would be undone by the slow court and Nadal footspeed.

Those talking about aggression need to watch 2009 Final, Nadal defended attacked counter punched like a man possessed. Nadal shot making in the final was better than Fed's.

The difference was 2012 would inject pace more within a rally, 2009 would inject pace when he needed to. On slower courts 2009 would have the edge, he has more margin for error, greater defense and yes greater shot making ability.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I wouldn't be offended if you described only Nadal, but Djoko was far from a pusher in that match.

Neither were, in fact. It's just the superslow court and the physically brutal nature of the match-up.
Yeah it's just not a match I would ever watch again, even if Nadal won. It's just realllly tedious, they might as well have been playing underwater. I find Wimby 18 5x better.
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
Yeah it's just not a match I would ever watch again, even if Nadal won. It's just realllly tedious, they might as well have been playing underwater. I find Wimby 18 5x better.
Idk. I watched RG 13 and AO 12 back to back and found them quite good and far from tedious. Their matches were brutal back then.
 

Sunny014

Legend
2009 needed 5 for weaker Fed
2012 dispatched stronger Fed in 4
Ohh yeah man ....

2009 Fed was stronger than he was in 2006 and then 2012 Fed was stronger that he was in 2009, then the 2015 was even stronger, 2017 was even stronger, 2021 is probably the strongest?

Federer is a vampire, he is getting stronger and stronger every year ...???
 

jondice

Rookie
I think Rafa's FO 2008 through USO 2010 often get overlooked in the all time great runs. Even with him missing most of 09, I don't think anybody ever played better than he did during that stretch. Or it at least rivals Fed's 2006-07 and Nole's 2015-FO 2016.
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
Ohh yeah man ....

2009 Fed was stronger than he was in 2006 and then 2012 Fed was stronger that he was in 2009, then the 2015 was even stronger, 2017 was even stronger, 2021 is probably the strongest?

Federer is a vampire, he is getting stronger and stronger every year ...???
idk, I think 2006 Fed and 2009 Fed were about equal level. Maybe I'd give 2006 Fed the edge because he had more confidence until Rafa shattered it in 2008 so Fed came into 2009 AO less assured. 2012 Fed was significantly stronger. Fed had to improve to compete with the new top players who hit their prime (Murray, Djokovic and Rafa) and Fed did improve...2012 Fed was very strong Fed indeed, coming in undefeated since USO to AO.
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
09 Aussie Nadal is probably my favourite version of Rafa. Just all surface mastery against the then near peak Fed
 

T007

Professional
Not necessarily.
Nadal played about as well as he could vs. Federer and Berdych in 2012. Djokovic was in a different tier as an opponent, especially after the brutal beatdowns from 2011, easy to understand why Nadal couldn't play as well.

I would still take 2009, he was slightly faster, more consistent depth on the FH and clearly better BH.
His baseline game was more potent in 2009, but I still see 2012 Nadal beating Verdasco over 5 sets. Federer would be interesting, I think Roger gets in done in 4 sets the way he couldn't in 2009.
Nadal level in 2012 Final was just avg by his 2009 standards. He just pushing the ball back in play not as agressive as he was in 2009.

The level in the First 4 sets of 2009 Final from both was much better than 2012 Final by himself and djoker.

2009 AO Nadal will beat 2012 in 4 sets.
 

T007

Professional
idk, I think 2006 Fed and 2009 Fed were about equal level. Maybe I'd give 2006 Fed the edge because he had more confidence until Rafa shattered it in 2008 so Fed came into 2009 AO less assured. 2012 Fed was significantly stronger. Fed had to improve to compete with the new top players who hit their prime (Murray, Djokovic and Rafa) and Fed did improve...2012 Fed was very strong Fed indeed, coming in undefeated since USO to AO.
Just trash talking without any knowledge of tennis. Federer serve and FH declined over the years. The last best was in 2011 FO....his stamina and shotmaking declined considerably after that.
 
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