Nadal (5) vs Monfils (13) - 2016 Monte Carlo final

Winner?

  • Nadal in 2

    Votes: 29 63.0%
  • Nadal in 3

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • Monfils in 3

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • Monfils in 2

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Total voters
    46

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Who is winning the 3rd Masters of 2016?

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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Rafa in 2.

But what will Monfils teach him? That's more important. ;)
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

Guest
Easy straight sets win for Nadal. But I think he will need to build more confidence in order to win FO.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Monfills really needs to put something different on the table. His general tactics not works against Rafa but this match also smells a little bit of an upset as well when everybody think Nadal is back. Regardless of what happens in Monte Carlo this isnt good barometer of Nadal form. Even last year he only lost Djoko and ı am not convinced his current performance is good enough to beat Djokovic as well. What he does in Barcelona Rome Madrid shows us where Rafa nadals game is really at in my book he really played badly in those tournaments in 2015.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Rafa in 3.
Will Monfils help him turn back the clock and recover his DTL forehand?
Even the noted Professor Gurufils cannot turn back time and help the veteran student rediscover the past. A very long lecture with unnecessary delays may be the tactic the student takes to end the dialogue in his favor.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
The guru is going to get clobbered in straights by the principle in the final.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Monfills really needs to put something different on the table. His general tactics not works against Rafa but this match also smells a little bit of an upset as well when everybody think Nadal is back. Regardless of what happens in Monte Carlo this isnt good barometer of Nadal form. Even last year he only lost Djoko and ı am not convinced his current performance is good enough to beat Djokovic as well. What he does in Barcelona Rome Madrid shows us where Rafa nadals game is really at in my book he really played badly in those tournaments in 2015.
Lots of points to be gained and possilbe 4 seed at French. With a win at Barcelona Nadal will be on his way. I'm not convinced Djokovic will get through the draw to Nadal unless they are on the same side. There is a whole lot of competition for him. Murray and Thiem look very dangerous if rested.

Nadal in 2 for this match. Monfils only hope is that Rafa serves conservative and he's able to make in roads on first serve points. (Of course Rafa will just serve harder like he did with Murray today.) This should be the best match Monfils has given Nadal on clay. He should have enough gas in the tank since Tsonga match was relatively easy. His best hard court stats and run appear to have translated to the clay.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Nadal will obviously win but I'm not sure what the scoreline will be. I can see a standard 6-3, 6-2 result but also wouldn't be surprised if Gael pushes him hard and takes one of the sets to a tiebreak. Either way, 5-19 is imminent. :(
 
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Deleted member 743561

Guest
Match-ups are so odd. How would Fed have fared had he reached the SF against La Monf? Was Tsonga drained from the previous match?
 
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nowhereman

Guest
I'm gonna say RAFA in 3. Monfils has only been able to defeat RAFA in Doha, a tournament that has no relevance at all to Monte Carlo.
 

Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm gonna say RAFA in 3. Monfils has only been able to defeat RAFA in Doha, a tournament that has no relevance at all to Monte Carlo.

Doha has no relevance to the AO, just like MC has no relevance to RG.
Are you saying that Monfils loses to RAFA now and then beats RAFA in straight sets at Roland Garros? :eek:
 
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Deleted member 743561

Guest
I'm gonna say RAFA in 3. Monfils has only been able to defeat RAFA in Doha, a tournament that has no relevance at all to Monte Carlo.
Monf has conquered more to get to this point though. No R1 bye. Five straight-sets seminars conducted.
 
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nowhereman

Guest
Doha has no relevance to the AO, just like MC has no relevance to RG.
Are you saying that Monfils loses to RAFA now and then beats RAFA in straight sets at Roland Garros? :eek:
Doha has no relevance to both AO and MC, and MC has no relevance to RG at all. Win or lose, RAFA's performance at RG will not be affected.
 

ruerooo

Legend
Match-ups are so odd. How would Fed have fared had he reached the SF against La Monf? Was Tsonga drained from the previous match?


I can't answer the questions, but I do think a lot about matchups and the luck of the draw, and how outcomes might be different if the dudes I support (or don't, LOL) had played an opponent other than the person they'd ended up playing.
 
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Deleted member 743561

Guest
I can't answer the questions, but I do think a lot about matchups and the luck of the draw, and how outcomes might be different if the dudes I support (or don't, LOL) had played an opponent other than the person they'd ended up playing.
I wonder who got the most out of the tournament (finalists aside)... I wonder if that guy Vesely builds on the Djok upset? Monf pounded him in the very next round though (one of the reasons I think he might be rounding into some nice form, and can win tomorrow). Think Fed has some very positive take-aways. Tsonga needs to shake off today's loss.
 
What is the problem with having two match threads for the same match? I could never understand this.


Nothing really. But it dilutes the topic. There's no ruling on this I believe. But for the Pro Match thread, IMO, there should be an official thread that one follows.

It's more fun when everyone gathers in one arena to BRAWL so to speak. Just sayin.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Nothing really. But it dilutes the topic. There's no ruling on this I believe. But for the Pro Match thread, IMO, there should be an official thread that one follows.

It's more fun when everyone gathers in one arena to BRAWL so to speak. Just sayin.
Yes, I understand how merging threads promotes topic concentration and unity of purpose. At the same time, I can see how multiple threads allow for multiple roles in thought leadership and enhanced diversity of opinion.
 

Aceldama

Rookie
Nadal has looked strong in this tournament but Monfils has looked dominant.

I think school's out for the Guru in 3.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Creativity and insightful thinking are maximized when ideas are coalesced though. Splitting things up generally weakens the "trunk." Seems like single-stream encourages engagement, too... "the more, the merrier" sort of thing.
True, but we are not talking about spinoffs and divestments here: we are focusing on mergers.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Today, at 6-1 4-2, with no problem in the world, Monfils started choking already. Imagine what he'll do when he gets a shot at winning tomorrow.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Interesting business analogy. :)

Aren't you arguing in favor of the "spinoff" though? My point is that a "merger" would likely result in more of the things that you were saying would be brought about by multiple threads.
No, what is happening here is matches get scheduled and various learned analysts develop pertinent threads to promote discussion and voting. The only impetus for consolidation is channeled by special interest groups who find that particular match threads do not comply with their agenda, yet fail to violate any of the forum rules.
 
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Deleted member 743561

Guest
Today, at 6-1 4-2, with no problem in the world, Monfils started choking already. Imagine what he'll do when he gets a shot at winning tomorrow.
You're predicting that he'll close out the win, like today, and take it 6-1 6-3, then? ;)
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Murray and Thiem look very dangerous if rested.

I just don't get all this hype about Thiem. He is nowhere near the level (and might never be) where he would beat Nadal on clay in a Masters 1000, even this diminished version of Nadal. And Murray? His clay form last year was a revelation, but he looked unimpressive today against Nadal. It was a match he should have won based on current form.

Anyway, Nadal will decimate Monfils in tomorrow's final. The moment Monfils gets broken (probably his first service game), it will be all over.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I just don't get all this hype about Thiem. He is nowhere near the level (and might never be) where he would beat Nadal on clay in a Masters 1000, even this diminished version of Nadal. And Murray? His clay form last year was a revelation, but he looked unimpressive today against Nadal. It was a match he should have won based on current form.

Not even in the 1st set? You really are a hard one to please! :confused:

Anyway, Nadal will decimate Monfils in tomorrow's final. The moment Monfils gets broken (probably his first service game), it will be all over.

Didn't you confidently predict the same thing for Nadal vs Murray? ;)
 
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