Nadal a lower level player than Federer/Djokovic says Fognini

[Fedbump]

'You can play against him!' - Fabio Fognini says that Rafael Nadal is more vulnerable than top rivals - Tennis365

Fabio Fognini says that Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic are practically unplayable, but Rafael Nadal is more vulnerable.

www.tennis365.com

 

[Backspin1183]

Of course he would say that. He has more wins against Nadal than he does against Fed or Djokovic. Medvedev said Djokovic was easier than Nadal. So it's about match ups.

 

[oldmanfan]

Lol, Trollini.

It's called match-ups brah.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal is a lower level player true.

Fogna beat him and then won Monte Carlo

 

[BGod]

Fabio came back down 0-2 at the USO and beat Nadal at one of his most dominant venues on clay.

The man is allowed to say these things if he so wishes.

 

[zagor]

Fabio bless.

 

[Third Serve]

Matchups at work

 

[helterskelter]

Not just matchups but also surface preferences. Fognini shares a best surface with Nadal, so he has the game to push him on clay and on hard. By contrast, while he could potentially give Federer/Djokovic a real run for their money on clay (matchup permitting), he would just have nothing to test them with on hard courts.

Given this, it is noteworthy that he has never played Federer on clay and only twice played Djokovic on clay. If he played them on clay more often, he might come to the conclusion that they are not as good on that surface as Nadal is.

 

[Fedbump]

Of course he would say that. He has more wins against Nadal than he does against Fed or Djokovic. Medvedev said Djokovic was easier than Nadal. So it's about match ups.

Ferrer believes that Nadal is better even though he's had less success against Federer and Djokovic.

Therefore, your logic is flawed

 

[Jonesy]

 

[MeatTornado]

he has a simple, and honest, explanation why he hasn’t won more.

“I am sometimes lazy, that did not help me,” Fognini admitted. “If I wasn’t lazy, I would certainly have achieved more at tournaments. Sometimes I would rather sit on the couch than train or prepare for a tournament.”

Well he's not wrong.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Trollini.

You mean Godnini. Please get it right next time.

 

[zep]

Millman doesn't agree.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

'You can play against him!' - Fabio Fognini says that Rafael Nadal is more vulnerable than top rivals - Tennis365

Fabio Fognini says that Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic are practically unplayable, but Rafael Nadal is more vulnerable.

www.tennis365.com

Tennis is all about matchups.
Fognini relies on hitting heavy on the rise off both wings. That's a working strategy against nadal as rafa provides a high ball and hits lately. But at the same time, it's a suicide against fedovic who are better than almost everyone, and both of them can easily snatch the time away from you by the earliest possible hitting on the rise, redirecting and baseline half volleying regularly.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

You mean Godnini. Please get it right next time.

Finding the swimming gif of fognini in @BeatlesFan post

 

[tennis_pro]

Fabio knows what the deal is.

 

[junior74]

Slightly higher level on clay, though

 

[clayqueen]

Tennis is all about matchups.
Fognini relies on hitting heavy on the rise off both wings. That's a working strategy against nadal as rafa provides a high ball and hits lately. But at the same time, it's a suicide against fedovic who are better than almost everyone, and both of them can easily snatch the time away from you by the earliest possible hitting on the rise, redirecting and baseline half volleying regularly.

Fog has played Rafa 16 times and has only won 4 of them. Last year in the lead up to Rome, Rafa, unusually, lost in MC, Barcelona, Madrid before he got his head together and said he had a talk to himself after taking 3 sets to beat Mayer in Barcelona because he was getting down on himself with frequent injuries. After losing to Fiog in MC, Rafa said that was the worst match he'd played on clay for 14 years.

So Fognini is 4:12 against Rafa, 1:8 against Djoker and 0:4 against Federer.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Well yeah, RAFA is shorter than Federer and Djokovic

 

[StrongRule]

Lol, call me when this mug achieves at least 1/10000000000000000000000000 of what Nadal achieved in his career. He reached one slam 1/4 final in his whole career and didn't even play it. Well, yeah, he is somehow always facing the worst versions of Nadal-3 times in 2015 (Nadal's worst year) and in MC 2019 when Nadal played his worst clay match in 2005-2019.

 

[RF-18]

Of course he would say that. He has more wins against Nadal than he does against Fed or Djokovic. Medvedev said Djokovic was easier than Nadal. So it's about match ups.

Doesn't have to be an agenda behind it.

 

[StrongRule]

Fog has played Rafa 16 times and has only won 4 of them. Last year in the lead up to Rome, Rafa, unusually, lost in MC, Barcelona, Madrid before he got his head together and said he had a talk to himself after taking 3 sets to beat Mayer in Barcelona because he was getting down on himself with frequent injuries. After losing to Fiog in MC, Rafa said that was the worst match he'd played on clay for 14 years.

So Fognini is 4:12 against Rafa, 1:8 against Djoker and 0:4 against Federer.

Nadal was absolutely terrible in that MC semifinal. Just watch the game at 4-4 in the first set. 4 pathetic unforced errors. And some people believe Fognini (who didn't even play well in the first set, but it's impossible to lose when your opponent is just missing every second shot) was just too good for him.

 

[NatF]

I've always liked Fognini.

 

[RF-18]

Nadal was absolutely terrible in that MC semifinal. Just watch the game at 4-4 in the first set. 4 pathetic unforced errors. And some people believe Fognini (who didn't even play well in the first set, but it's impossible to lose when your opponent is just missing every second shot) was just too good for him.

Peak Fog on clay > Any version of Nadal on clay.

 

[weakera]

Outside of 2015 Fognini has one win in eleven tries against Nadal. He's just a delusional clown riding the confidence he gains from having beaten Nadal at his lowest points.

 

[Pheasant]

Fognini is clinging on to the 2015 season when he got the better of the very worst version of Nadal. All players have terrible seasons. I don’t hold those seasons against them.

How about this? When Donskoy was asked in 2017 about Federer being in his draw, he said that he was more worried about Youzhny. See 2:14 until the end. Donskoy and Fognini are co-GOATS. Wait. They are tied for 2nd. I forgot about MuryGOAT.

 

[Pheasant]

Donskoy: “Roger is good, but not Mischa Please.” Donskoy really wanted to avoid Misha Youzhny. LOL.

Sometimes, we just gotta laugh at these things instead of dialing 911.

 

[ChaelAZ]

'You can play against him!' - Fabio Fognini says that Rafael Nadal is more vulnerable than top rivals - Tennis365

Fabio Fognini says that Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic are practically unplayable, but Rafael Nadal is more vulnerable.

www.tennis365.com

The Fog has some scar tissue with Nadal. He has one win of Nadal in 8 matches since 2015 and only 4 out of 12 matches since 2013.

Then again, Nadal only has 1 win over Fed in 8 matches since 2015, and 3 wins over Djokovic in 13 matches since 2015, so he does have a point.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Nadal probably was more vulnerable than the other two throughout his career. Only exception is vs NextGen where they can’t seem to handle his unorthodox style

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Fog hates Nadal so obviously he'd say that.

The Fog is almost as objective as the average TTW fanboi. So ridiculous.

 

[Krish0608]

Tennis is about matchups. Medvedev says the exact opposite of this.

 

[tennis_pro]

Outside of 2015 Fognini has one win in eleven tries against Nadal. He's just a delusional clown riding the confidence he gains from having beaten Nadal at his lowest points.

Almost bageled Nadal in MC tho

 

[DeathStar]

Well I kind of agree with Fognini. This is the reason Federer and Djokovic have been able to be more dominant overall and have had consecutive dominant years which Nadal has not been able to put together.


Rafa has a more limited skill set than the other two and gives more time to opponents by playing far behind the baseline and also with his topspin shots. That makes him more prone to upsets.

The fact that Nadal has been able to win 7 non Clay slam and have 8 runnerups is an unbelievable testament to his toughness.

 

[weakera]

Almost bageled Nadal in MC tho

Federer almost won Wimbledon last summer

 

[tennis_pro]

Federer almost won Wimbledon last summer

Maybe if he had Berrettini in the SF and Medvedev in the F instead of Nadal and Djokovic he would've won, yeah.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Well, Nadal is sucks, so he has a point.

 

[weakera]

Maybe if he had Berrettini in the SF and Medvedev in the F instead of Nadal and Djokovic he would've won, yeah.

Honestly probably not with the way he always chokes

 

[BeatlesFan]

Fognini has one win in eleven tries against Nadal. He's just a delusional clown.

Actually I see a difference.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Why does everyone keep mentioning matchups as if Fognini is incapable of looking past his own matchup with Nadal? Like he can't evaluate Nadal against other players LMAO. TTW is worse than a close minded Grandma.

Use your brain Jabroni.

 

[tennis_pro]

Honestly probably not with the way he always chokes

Fed would definitely lose a Slam final to Medvedev while having match points on his serve.

 

[ThiemPlayer]

Except he didn't really say any of that.

 

[weakera]

Fed would definitely lose a Slam final to Medvedev while having match points on his serve.

Agreed

 

[Mainad]

Nadal is a lower level player true.

Not as low as the level of some ceilings though:

 

[clayqueen]

Well yeah, RAFA is shorter than Federer and Djokovic

Rafa and Roger are exactly the same height. I have seen them live a few times, side by side.

 

[clayqueen]

Well I kind of agree with Fognini. This is the reason Federer and Djokovic have been able to be more dominant overall and have had consecutive dominant years which Nadal has not been able to put together.


Rafa has a more limited skill set than the other two and gives more time to opponents by playing far behind the baseline and also with his topspin shots. That makes him more prone to upsets.

The fact that Nadal has been able to win 7 non Clay slam and have 8 runnerups is an unbelievable testament to his toughness.

Rafa has been injured far more than Fedr and Djoker. the only complete season Rafa had between 2011 & 2018 was 2015.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Rafa and Roger are exactly the same height. I have seen them live a few times, side by side.

Isn't Roger a cm or a half taller?

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Rafa has been injured far more than Fedr and Djoker. the only complete season Rafa had between 2011 & 2018 was 2015.

2017?

 

[swordtennis]

Rafa has been injured far more than Fedr and Djoker. the only complete season Rafa had between 2011 & 2018 was 2015.

He has been lucky he has been injured he would have been wiped out even more off clay.

 

[Eren]

Isn't Roger a cm or a half taller?

Nads: 1.84 m
Fedr: 1.85 m
Djoke: 1.87/1.88 m (not sure which one)

But Fedr is definitely a little bit taller than Nadal.

 

[swordtennis]

Nads: 1.84 m
Fedr: 1.85 m
Djoke: 1.87/1.88 m (not sure which one)

But Fedr is definitely a little bit taller than Nadal.

Djokovic is closer to 6'3 def 6'2.5. Met him in whole foods boise idaho. He is def tall and lean.