Nadal admits it was a mistake to wash dirty linen in public..

Yesterday I said he hadn't fully thought through his statement, and today he says the same. It's a shame because I really do believe he is smarter than he looks. Maybe the pressure is getting to him.
 
Russeljones said:
Yesterday I said he hadn't fully thought through his statement, and today he says the same. It's a shame because I really do believe he is smarter than he looks. Maybe the pressure is getting to him.
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Well played, Sir.

Great take-back and flawless follow-through. Textbook execution.
 
MixieP said:
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"Why are they taking the mickey, Senti?"
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:lol: Aww :(
 
Shellovic said:
Excuse me, it may be a dumb question, but what did nadal mentioned earlier which he regrets now to have said?
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Nadal said that clay and slow hard court slams and masters shuld be reduced as they tire and stress the body a lot. He suggested faster courts to shorten rallies.

Then he realized he would not win under such conditions and so backtracked. At least that's what I got, but that thread was nuked.
 
Russeljones said:
Yesterday I said he hadn't fully thought through his statement, and today he says the same. It's a shame because I really do believe he is smarter than he looks. Maybe the pressure is getting to him.
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Tio Tony should think before he tells Rafito what to say.

Silly Tony, causing such embarrassment to our Rafito.
 
namelessone said:
Nadal started talking about Fed's stance on the subject(or lack thereof) at hand because of his losses to Djokovic?

Now I've heard it all. :)
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No seriously, he's losing, so he's in a worse mood recently. When I'm not happy I react to things differently, get angrier at unrelated things.

What I feel is Nadal was annoyed with Federer, made some snarky comments and then wished he didn't. Fair enough, he is human. But Federer gets it in the neck if he says anything snarky. What this proves is Rafa is just like Roger and not above being a bit of an idiot, just most times he hides behind his can't speak english and i'm so humble image and looks like he is perfect. Just wish people could treat it like they would if Federer made some hot headed comments. Nadal said that he had said too much as usual.... like usual? Usually he says nothing, this is one of the few times his perfect image slipped up. Not saying he is a bad person, but contrary to what thousands of Rafa fans believe, he's no better than Federer, he's just more careful or better at keeping it hidden. Everyone can be a jerk now and then, every single person, but at least be honest about it.
 
Towser83 said:
No seriously, he's losing, so he's in a worse mood recently. When I'm not happy I react to things differently, get angrier at unrelated things.
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I remember some late 08 and even 09 times when Roger started getting a little bit moody because of the more frequent losses, Nads had a field day with that.
 
Nadal shows a face most sane people already saw a long time ago. Its only his *******s fanatics who will continue defending whatever comes out of his mouth. I never believe anything drama queen says.
 
Sentinel said:
Nadal said that clay and slow hard court slams and masters shuld be reduced as they tire and stress the body a lot. He suggested faster courts to shorten rallies.

Then he realized he would not win under such conditions and so backtracked. At least that's what I got, but that thread was nuked.
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Thank you very much for explaining! But why did Q. asked if he has apologized yet to Federer?
 
cc0509 said:
Del Potro is worse than Nadal. You can't understand a word he is saying.
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IMO Spanish-speaking players generally are the hardest to follow when speaking English. I don't think any of them are particularly fluent.

Some of the Russians and East Europeans are not easy to understand either.
 
nikdom said:
Yeah, but he still doesn't feel like he needs to apologize. ("I said what I said")

Man this guy is a tool.
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Why is he a tool?, because he doesn't think he has to apologize for what he said?.

Has Fed apologized for what he said?. No, he hasn't. He hasn't as much as said he shouldn't have said them to the press.

cc0509 said:
Well the circumstances of this whole thing--i.e. probably his frustration about losing to Djokovic so many times probably got the better of him and it was not the best time to bring all this up at the start of a slam, plus he certainly should have shut up about Roger in public, but, he is entitled to his opinion, I will give him that much.
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Just out of curiosity, do you also think Fed should have shut up about Rafa in public?.

cc0509 said:
And even more outspoken in the past 8 months! :-D Interesting timing.
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Considering what he said about Toni in his autobiography, I'd say he's being more outspoken since before that.

nadalwon2012 said:
No retraction from Nadal. They asked him if he would apologize to Federer. He said "No. You know, what I said I said. I feel sorry for say that, especially to you."

So, Nadal is sorry he shared it with the media, because of the stir it caused. He wishes he'd just spoken about it between the players and kept it at that. Although obviously, speaking about it to the media did more good than bad, as it created public conversation, which is good for an issue that isn't being addressed.
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Apparently people here need a translation of what Rafa said... maybe it's their own English that isn't so good :)

Russeljones said:
Yesterday I said he hadn't fully thought through his statement, and today he says the same. It's a shame because I really do believe he is smarter than he looks. Maybe the pressure is getting to him.
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Of course he hadn't. They asked him what he thought about Roger's comments, which it appears he hadn't heard before, and he just got upset about what Fed had said...
 
Towser83 said:
No seriously, he's losing, so he's in a worse mood recently. When I'm not happy I react to things differently, get angrier at unrelated things.

What I feel is Nadal was annoyed with Federer, made some snarky comments and then wished he didn't. Fair enough, he is human. But Federer gets it in the neck if he says anything snarky.
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Couldn't disagree more with you there. Federer made snarky comments about Nadal and others, and no reaction at all here, nor in the mainstream media, for that matter.

Towser83 said:
What this proves is Rafa is just like Roger and not above being a bit of an idiot, just most times he hides behind his can't speak english and i'm so humble image and looks like he is perfect. Just wish people could treat it like they would if Federer made some hot headed comments. Nadal said that he had said too much as usual.... like usual? Usually he says nothing, this is one of the few times his perfect image slipped up. Not saying he is a bad person, but contrary to what thousands of Rafa fans believe, he's no better than Federer, he's just more careful or better at keeping it hidden. Everyone can be a jerk now and then, every single person, but at least be honest about it.
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That he might be able to usually control himself better and not make snarky comments about others doesn't mean he isn't honest. It means either he has better self-control or that he usually doesn't think those comments in the first place.

He clearly has regretted before some things he's said in public. I don't think he usually says nothing. Don't people here complain all the time he says too much about his injuries, for example?.

Also, "he hides behind his can't speak english"?. You're talking as if he only ever speaks to the press in English... :?
 
Crisstti said:
Couldn't disagree more with you there. Federer made snarky comments about Nadal and others, and no reaction at all here, nor in the mainstream media, for that matter.
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swiss Mafia in full force!!!
 
What did Rafa say that is the cause of this alledged conflict?

I Googled the topic, and I read an article saying that Nadal criticized Fed for being too diplomatic about the length of the season, not really ever objecting, and, therefore, Nadal and others look like whiners for "complaining" about the length of the season?

Is that it? Seems like a pretty trumped-up controversey if that's all that was said.
 
bluetrain4 said:
What did Rafa say that is the cause of this alledged conflict?

I Googled the topic, and I read an article saying that Nadal criticized Fed for being too diplomatic about the length of the season, not really ever objecting, and, therefore, Nadal and others look like whiners for "complaining" about the length of the season?

Is that it? Seems like a pretty trumped-up controversey if that's all that was said.
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Yes, that is it.
 
nikdom said:
Ah. Seemed like you were agreeing with bluetrain that there was no controversy.
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I'm not saying there isn't a controversy, just that it seems that the media and fans and commentators are seizing on it too much - making more of it than maybe is necessary. "Trumped-up" may not have been the best descriptor.
 
bluetrain4 said:
I'm not saying there isn't a controversy, just that it seems that the media and fans and commentators are seizing on it too much - making more of it than maybe is necessary. "Trumped-up" may not have been the best descriptor.
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A controversy by definition is a contentious issue or debate. So if you agree that it is one, then why would you say the issue is trumped up?
 
Crisstti said:
Couldn't disagree more with you there. Federer made snarky comments about Nadal and others, and no reaction at all here, nor in the mainstream media, for that matter.



That he might be able to usually control himself better and not make snarky comments about others doesn't mean he isn't honest. It means either he has better self-control or that he usually doesn't think those comments in the first place.

He clearly has regretted before some things he's said in public. I don't think he usually says nothing. Don't people here complain all the time he says too much about his injuries, for example?.

Also, "he hides behind his can't speak english"?. You're talking as if he only ever speaks to the press in English... :?
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Oh come on, he gets it all the time. Maybe not from Federer fans (big surprise) but Nadal fans have gone on about Federer making snarky comments and being arrogant for years and years. Just like Federer fans go on about Nadal making injury excuses. But fair's fair, when Federer said his leg injury was better at Wimbledon but then blamed it again when he lost to Berdych, I was dissapointed. Having disliked Nadal citing injury after losses a lot of times, I had to criticise Federer for doing the same. But are any Nadal fans who are always pulling up Federer on everything he says, pulling Nadal up on this? Not that I can see.

Even when Federer recently mentioned players maybe hurting the tour and then expressly said he wasn't naming anyone in particular, Nadal fans claimed it was a nasty dig at Nadal... when he never mentioned his name for crying out loud. Nadal focusses on Federer and his actions, goes way further than he has to, but apparently that's ok. It's double standards, and it's sad to see.

Nadal talks about injuries (like his chair sitting injury) but often claims he doesn't like to talk about injuries. About other stuff like how he learnt to serve better he doesn't say much. If someone asks him about a match he just says "I try my best, no?" if anyone asks him something controversial he doesn't talk about it. Being better able to control it, fine yeah. But then all I'm saying is the idea that he is above making snarky comments because he is a nice guy and Federer isn't, is a total myth.

As for doing interviews in Spanish, you probably know better than me, because if they get translated into English they lose all meaning and I don't speak spanish.
 
nikdom said:
But you are saying folks are making more of it than necessary, aren't you?
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Making more of the Fed-Nadal conflict - that they are somehow on very bad terms, that Nadal's "criticisms" amounted to more of an personal attack on Fed than they actually did, etc.

I'm not saying that too much is being made of the core issues - player health and length of season, distribution of revenue, etc.
 
bluetrain4 said:
Making more of the Fed-Nadal conflict - that they are somehow on very bad terms, that Nadal's "criticisms" amounted to more of an personal attack on Fed than they actually did, etc.

I'm not saying that too much is being made of the core issues - player health and length of season, distribution of revenue, etc.
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I don't think they did. They reported what Nadal said. And Nadal did say some pointed things about Federer specifically. Nadal's disagreement with Fed's position disagreement WAS the news story.
 
bluetrain4 said:
What did Rafa say that is the cause of this alledged conflict?

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He whined about everything being the cause of his knee problems (or whatever his current problem is). Then he whined about the fact that Federer did not whine about the same things. Finally he backtracked on his whinings, with a whiny half-apology, which he then semi-retracted.

Then Fred said it was good that Nadal had grown up finally, which a lot of fans are whining about.

Most of them have never cleared high school so their posts are not intelligible, but one seems to have graduated from Harvard Law School (Bart). He still got pwned which he won't accept. :)

That about sums up what's been happening in the tennis world in the last 24 hours. That and, oh yes, the Aussie Open.
 
^^ lol

:):)

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This is one of the best summaries ever on TW. Definitely HOF worthy.
 
Sentinel said:
He whined about everything being the cause of his knee problems (or whatever his current problem is). Then he whined about the fact that Federer did not whine about the same things. Finally he backtracked on his whinings, with a whiny half-apology, which he then semi-retracted.

Then Fred said it was good that Nadal had grown up finally, which a lot of fans are whining about.

Most of them have never cleared high school so their posts are not intelligible, but one seems to have graduated from Harvard Law School (Bart). He still got pwned which he won't accept. :)

That about sums up what's been happening in the tennis world in the last 24 hours. That and, oh yes, the Aussie Open.
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The Bryan brothers wrote this

Players fight for the right to a fair deal

It's hard to sympathise with millionaire tennis stars, but they have a point.

IT CAN get really tough when players start talking publicly about pay and conditions, because it's not really what the fans want to be hearing about.

They want to see us at their tournaments, they want to see everyone play, and they don't have much sympathy for our personal lives or our families and friends, which is understandable.

We're lucky. We travel to great cities, we're well paid and we have one of the best jobs in the world, so we try not to open our mouths about a lot of that stuff. But we have some interesting times ahead because the players are more united than they have been in a while.

For a long time, it was impossible to get anything done, because all the players wanted different things, but that's starting to change.

By the end of the year, everyone's exhausted. We've been on tour now for 13 years, and we've had three-week off-seasons for that whole time.

Mike has a big house, a pool and a volleyball court that he doesn't get to use - he just gets the bills, so he doesn't think he's getting much bang for his buck there.

This year we're going to have a few extra weeks off, which is a really smart move by the ATP, because with how things have stood for the last 20 years or so, players haven't really had a chance to work on weaknesses.

You don't want to change, say, your serve, and go straight into a tournament. You need some time at home to work on things, to hit the weights hard rather than just try and maintain where you're at.

Playing so much tennis takes a physical toll too. It puts a lot of pressure on the top guys especially. That's why Rafael Nadal has been so outspoken, because if he's going to get back up to No. 1 in the world, he just has to keep playing tennis. He can't afford to miss any events.

That's where the rankings system comes into it, because if you get injured, your ranking drops straight away.

Sam Querrey got hurt for three months and dropped outside the top 100. If we've had injuries, we've kind of had to push through them, take three or four anti-inflammatories before a match and keep playing. And that would be pretty standard, because everyone has something. Nobody's ever 100 per cent, but they could be with a three- or four-month off-season.

In a perfect world, we'd have the US Open, have the tour finals for the top guys, then shut things down. As far as the rankings go, look at golf: their rankings are done over a two-year period, which means Tiger Woods can take a year off, come back and still be No. 1.

We have a player council of 11 players, and every group of players is represented on that. There's a couple of doubles players, there's someone who looks out for the top players, and players for, say, the top 25 and the lower-ranked guys as well. Everyone has someone they can talk to. In the past it hasn't really worked too well.

Everyone's had their own agendas. When you're talking about cutting the schedule, the claycourters don't want to lose any of their events, and the hardcourt guys are the same.

We have mandatory meetings that every player has to go to - you get fined if you don't turn up - and the guys on the council get together eight or so times a year, whether they meet or have conference calls and go through what they're all thinking. The meeting on the weekend was apparently pretty fiery.

But it's cool that we have Rafa, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic on the council together - the big three. They might not be on the exact same page at the moment, but that's going to happen. They're uniting the players and making sure we have a voice.

They don't need to do it - they're millionaires, they're great players and they could just focus on their tennis, but they're trying to make the game better and take it into the future, and we're becoming a stronger group because of it. We're less divided than we used to be, and that will hopefully make it easier for things to get done.

We won't be around when it happens, but we want things to be better for the young guys coming through in the future.

We have friends who've had hip replacements at the age of 40, and we don't want guys to be limping around when they're 25.
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http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/players-fight-for-the-right-to-a-fair-deal-20120117-1q4qg.html
 
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CMM said:
The Bryan brothers wrote this

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Playing so much tennis takes a physical toll too. It puts a lot of pressure on the top guys especially. That's why Rafael Nadal has been so outspoken, because if he's going to get back up to No. 1 in the world, he just has to keep playing tennis. He can't afford to miss any events.

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http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/players-fight-for-the-right-to-a-fair-deal-20120117-1q4qg.html
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quite telling about Nadal's position. Is this seriously an excuse? FFS, someone wanting to displace Nadal @ #1 must play the same or more amount of tennis, so why is Nadal whining here? Seems like Nadal is pushing his own agenda....
 
fed_rulz said:
quite telling about Nadal's position. Is this seriously an excuse? FFS, someone wanting to displace Nadal @ #1 must play the same or more amount of tennis, so why is Nadal whining here? Seems like Nadal is pushing his own agenda....
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He's not the only one "whining".
 
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