Nadal after turning 20 vs Alcaraz after turning 20

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal had average 2006-07 season just post his 20th birthday. Average from peak big 3 level. At one point he went 9 months without winning a single title.
Let's see how Nadal fared post Rome 2005.

Roland Garros - W beating Federer
Queens club QF - L to Hewitt world number 13
Wimbledon F - L to Federer ( had one of the worst draw to final , 2 QF and 1 WC, tired Agassi, then world number 22, and world number 18 to reach the final.
Rogers cup 3R - L to Berdych world number 14
Cincy QF - L to Ferrero World number 31
US open QF - L to Youzhney World number 54
Stockholm 2R - L to Johansson World number freaking 690
Madrid QF - L to Berdych World number 11
TMC SF - L to Federer (only second time he lost to someone in top 10, both times to Federer)

Comes new year
Chennai SF - L to Mallisse world number 37
Sydney 1R - L to Guccione world number 107 retired
Australian open QF - L to Gonzalez world number 9 (third time he lost to someone in top 10)
Dubai - QF L to Youzhney world number 18

It was only at IW he got back to his form. This is a lot of muggery but Nadal is not ridiculed. It wasn't the strength of his era or Federer who made him lose this much. It was his own inexperience.

Now lets see Alcaraz after turning 20
Madrid 2023 - W
Rome 2023 - L to Marsozan world number 135
RG 2023 - L to Djokovic (REAL world number 1)
Queens club - W
Wimbledon - W beat 3 top 10 including world number 1 Djokovic , humiliated Medvedev
Rogers cup QF - L to Paul world number 14
Cincy F - L to Djokovic world number 2
US Open SF - L to Medvedev world number 3
China Open SF - L to Sinner world number 7
Shanghai 4R - L to Dimitrov world number 19.

We can see Alcaraz won a bunch of titles post turning 20. He even lost to quality players except Marsozan.

At the same age Nadal was mugging up after clay season. But there are threads about Alcaraz not being at big 3 level already. Why is Nadal discounted? Because he beat Federer a bunch of times in clay? Even outside of Federer Nadal lost to every single player mostly out of top 10.

Alcaraz has a chance to have a better 20th year than Nadal and Djokovic. We know Federer wasn't even close to these three at 20 years age.

There is no doubting this guy. He won Wimbledon already.

 

[dking68]

I don’t really like comparisons but I’m not feeling a big 3 career for this guy. As much as he won Wimbledon, he’s been super unimpressive these days. Sinner moved him around like a hopeless rat 2 weeks ago, and Sinner is improving a lot. Alcaraz peaked early and is unlikely to improve much more. I think he gets around 8 slams or so

 

[nolefam_2024]

I don’t really like comparisons but I’m not feeling a big 3 career for this guy. As much as he won Wimbledon, he’s been super unimpressive these days. Sinner moved him around like a hopeless rat 2 weeks ago, and Sinner is improving a lot. Alcaraz peaked early and is unlikely to improve much more. I think he gets around 8 slams or so

Funnily Berdych beat Nadal twice in 2006 as well. I don't know how many slams Alcaraz will win. But he is on his way to have better 20th year than Nadal.

 

[dking68]

Funnily Berdych beat Nadal twice in 2006 as well. I don't know how many slams Alcaraz will win. But he is on his way to have better 20th year than Nadal.

It doesn’t matter. I bet he will struggle to achieve double digits. Sinner has breadsticked him four times and Sinner is about to enter his peak physically and game wise. No way he beats Peak Rafa, Roger or Nole. He would’ve been crushed by all three

 

[nolefam_2024]

It doesn’t matter. I bet he will struggle to achieve double digits. Sinner has breadsticked him four times and Sinner is about to enter his peak physically and game wise. No way he beats Peak Rafa, Roger or Nole. He would’ve been crushed by all three

Berdych has breadsticked him only once. Although Berdych is just 9 months older than Nadal.
While Sinner is 21 months older than Alcaraz.

 

[dking68]

Funnily Berdych beat Nadal twice in 2006 as well. I don't know how many slams Alcaraz will win. But he is on his way to have better 20th year than Nadal.

And why he’s overrated - he’s competing in an era of losers and Oldovic, and he struggles to beat 36 year old Nole. I see him being dominant but I think Sinner is the true heir to the throne and 2024 will be the year when we’ll see who is better, Sinner or Alcaraz

 

[The Blond Blur]

RAFA was better sorry not sorry. Had it not been for Peakerer RAFA would have won 3 straight Wimbys. The 06 finalists would both beat the finalists from this year. And for as much crap as RAFA deservedly gets for his indoor season woes, he’s still been more successful than Tiny Carl. What it tells us?

 

[nolefam_2024]

And why he’s overrated - he’s competing in an era of losers and Oldovic, and he struggles to beat 36 year old Nole. I see him being dominant but I think Sinner is the true heir to the throne and 2024 will be the year when we’ll see who is better, Sinner or Alcaraz

If Alcaraz is overrated then sinner should not be rated at all. You are saying he is competing in era of losers.
Sinner has losing H2H vs Djokovic Medvedev Zverev and Tsitsipas. Each of them beat the guy in slams this year.
Tsitsipas in AO
Zverev in USO
Djokovic in Wimby
Medvedev in masters

Alcaraz beat Zverev in Madrid USO, Tsitsipas in Madrid RG , Nole in Wimby and Medvedev in Wimby IW

 

[dking68]

RAFA was better sorry not sorry. Had it not been for Peakerer RAFA would have won 3 straight Wimbys. The 06 finalists would both beat the from this year. And for as much crap as RAFA deservedly gets for his indoor season woes, he’s still been more successful than Tiny Carl. What it tells us?

Exactly… I bet if Sinner and Alcaraz play each other in the ATP finals Alcaraz is going to lose again in straight sets

 

[nolefam_2024]

RAFA was better sorry not sorry. Had it not been for Peakerer RAFA would have won 3 straight Wimbys. The 06 finalists would both beat the from this year. And for as much crap as RAFA deservedly gets for his indoor season woes, he’s still been more successful than Tiny Carl. What it tells us?

This means nothing when he lost to Hewitt in queens and reached Wimby final at the back of worst draw. He was not close to beating Federer.

 

[dking68]

If Alcaraz is overrated then sinner should not be rated at all. You are saying he is competing in era of losers.
Sinner has losing H2H vs Djokovic Medvedev Zverev and Tsitsipas. Each of them beat the guy in slams this year.
Tsitsipas in AO
Zverev in USO
Djokovic in Wimby
Medvedev in masters

Alcaraz beat Zverev in Madrid , Tsitsipas in Madrid RG , Nole in Wimby and Medvedev in Wimby IW

Sinner is a different player bro…. Sinner has made a great improvement in China and I think it’s a point of no return. Sinner is above Tsitsipas and Zverev in ranking and level. He will not be below them ever again, mark my words

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is a different player bro…. Sinner has made a great improvement in China and I think it’s a point of no return. Sinner is above Tsitsipas and Zverev in ranking and level. He will not be below them ever again, mark my words

Everyone tries to improve. Sinner is not a different player that only he is improving. He got his best success post USOpen when he had already failed to even reach semis of USOpen. You said he would reach semis or even finals.

 

[dking68]

@nachiket nolefam . Medvedev peaked in the Beijing final against Sinner, he got 73% serves in and Sinner was able to generate FIVE break points. And sinner is improving season after season. You really see Sinner falling to loser Zverev or Tsitsipas ever again?

 

[nolefam_2024]

@nachiket nolefam . Medvedev peaked in the Beijing final against Sinner, he got 73% serves in and Sinner was able to generate FIVE break points. And sinner is improving season after season. You really see Sinner falling to loser Zverev or Tsitsipas ever again?

Tsitsipas is in funk.

I can definitely see Sinner losing to Zverev and Medvedev.
This is another attempt to hijack a thread not even related to Sinner /

 

[The Blond Blur]

This means nothing when he lost to Hewitt in queens and reached Wimby final at the back of worst draw. He was not close to beating Federer.

Yeah, let’s just ignore the strength of both fields, lel. 06 Hewitt was a better opponent than anyone Carl beat this year at Queens. Both RAFA and Carl had weak draws to make the Wimby F, but there couldn’t be a bigger discrepancy in their Fs opponents. Besides, RAFA served for the 2nd set and took the 3rd. He was a few points away from pushing that match to 5 against a vastly better opponent.

 

[dking68]

Everyone tries to improve. Sinner is not a different player that only he is improving. He got his best success post USOpen when he had already failed to even reach semis of USOpen. You said he would reach semis or even finals.

I did but his body failed him bro. He beat the 2 past USO champions in straight sets in China, he’s improved a lot. Imagine if he didn’t cramp against Zverev. If he played at the level he did in China he could’ve made the finals. But I think he’ll get it done next year no doubt

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah, let’s just ignore the strength of both fields, lel. 06 Hewitt was a better opponent than anyone Carl beat this year at Queens. Both RAFA and Carl had weak draws to make the Wimby F, but there couldn’t be a bigger discrepancy in their Fs opponents. Besides, RAFA serves for the 2nd set and took the 3rd. He was a few points away from pushing that match to 5 against a vastly better opponent.

This is just saber rattling. There is nothing vastly superior in Federer at Wimbledon vs Nole. He has 8 slams and Nole has 7.

 

[MichaelNadal]

That kit is epic af

 

[dking68]

Tsitsipas is in funk.

I can definitely see Sinner losing to Zverev and Medvedev.
This is another attempt to hijack a thread not even related to Sinner /

He ain’t losing to Zverev/Medvedev ever again and you’ll see. I see no less than a top three finish for Sinner next year and even if Zverev fully recovers it won’t be enough to beat 23 year old Sinner

 

[The Blond Blur]

This is just saber rattling. There is nothing vastly superior in Federer at Wimbledon vs Nole. He has 8 slams and Nole has 7.

Dear lord this is why you guys get mocked on here for just looking at results and not digging even beyond the surface. Joker was mediocre to straight up bad in the F this year vs 06 Fed who was at the peak of his game. Joker may have 7 Wimbys but he sure as hell didn’t play like it. The dude had a negative ace to DF ratio and a negative winner to UFE ratio on a winner friendly surface like grass. That’s simply unacceptably bad.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Dear lord this is why you guys get mocked on here for just looking at results and not digging even beyond the surface. Joker was mediocre to straight up bad in the F this year vs 06 Fed who was at the peak of his game. Joker may have 7 Wimbys but he sure as hell didn’t play like it. The dude had a negative ace to DF ratio and a negative winner to UFE ratio on a winner friendly surface like grass. That’s simply unacceptably bad.

Alcaraz is very hard to ace. Even though Nole didn't serve well at all, it took at the very least great Alcaraz to win this one.
Nadal won 1 slam Alcaraz won 1.

Nadal beat Fed on clay. Alcaraz beat Djokovic on grass.
I see which is harder to achieve.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You guys as in Nolefams who rely on stats.

Not you guys is Fedal fans who don't rely on stats.

 

[dking68]

You guys as in Nolefams who rely on stats.

Not you guys is Fedal fans who don't rely on stats.

Alcaraz is already a great player, but i don’t see him having a big 3 career. I think Sinner will have the matchup advantage on hard and possibly grass. But Sinner on hard court will always be a hurdle too big to cross for Alcaraz. So I think if Sinner is injury free he’ll have a positive head to head against Alcaraz - indoors and outdoor HC at least

If Sinner hadn’t messed up MP at USO. Alcaraz would’ve had 1 slam and Sinner would be 5-2 in the head to head, yet people hype Alcaraz so much

 

[The Blond Blur]

Alcaraz is very hard to ace. Even though Nole didn't serve well at all, it took at the very least great Alcaraz to win this one.
Nadal won 1 slam Alcaraz won 1.

Nadal beat Fed on clay. Alcaraz beat Djokovic on grass.
I see which is harder to achieve.

This is just an excuse, Joker was just that bad on serve in this years F. Give 06 RAFA Joker from this year in place of 06 Peakerer and he’d have 3 GS titles at the age of 20. Conversely Carl loses in 3 (maybe 4 sets max) vs 06 Fed.

The fact that you’re trying to say that a 36 year old Joker who played like he was 36 is a tougher opponent than a 25 year old Fed on clay is laughable. Go watch the Rome 06 F if you need convincing.

 

[PURETENNISsense]

Nadal had average 2006-07 season just post his 20th birthday. Average from peak big 3 level. At one point he went 9 months without winning a single title.
Let's see how Nadal fared post Rome 2005.

Roland Garros - W beating Federer
Queens club QF - L to Hewitt world number 13
Wimbledon F - L to Federer ( had one of the worst draw to final , 2 QF and 1 WC, tired Agassi, then world number 22, and world number 18 to reach the final.
Rogers cup 3R - L to Berdych world number 14
Cincy QF - L to Ferrero World number 31
US open QF - L to Youzhney World number 54
Stockholm 2R - L to Johansson World number freaking 690
Madrid QF - L to Berdych World number 11
TMC SF - L to Federer (only second time he lost to someone in top 10, both times to Federer)

Comes new year
Chennai SF - L to Mallisse world number 37
Sydney 1R - L to Guccione world number 107 retired
Australian open QF - L to Gonzalez world number 9 (third time he lost to someone in top 10)
Dubai - QF L to Youzhney world number 18

It was only at IW he got back to his form. This is a lot of muggery but Nadal is not ridiculed. It wasn't the strength of his era or Federer who made him lose this much. It was his own inexperience.

Now lets see Alcaraz after turning 20
Madrid 2023 - W
Rome 2023 - L to Marsozan world number 135
RG 2023 - L to Djokovic (REAL world number 1)
Queens club - W
Wimbledon - W beat 3 top 10 including world number 1 Djokovic , humiliated Medvedev
Rogers cup QF - L to Paul world number 14
Cincy F - L to Djokovic world number 2
US Open SF - L to Medvedev world number 3
China Open SF - L to Sinner world number 7
Shanghai 4R - L to Dimitrov world number 19.

We can see Alcaraz won a bunch of titles post turning 20. He even lost to quality players except Marsozan.

At the same age Nadal was mugging up after clay season. But there are threads about Alcaraz not being at big 3 level already. Why is Nadal discounted? Because he beat Federer a bunch of times in clay? Even outside of Federer Nadal lost to every single player mostly out of top 10.

Alcaraz has a chance to have a better 20th year than Nadal and Djokovic. We know Federer wasn't even close to these three at 20 years age.

There is no doubting this guy. He won Wimbledon already.

Is it not possible to just wait and see if this guy gets 10 slams first then start make Big 3 comparisons?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Alcaraz is already a great player, but i don’t see him having a big 3 career. I think Sinner will have the matchup advantage on hard and possibly grass. But Sinner on hard court will always be a hurdle too big to cross for Alcaraz. So I think if Sinner is injury free he’ll have a positive head to head against Alcaraz - indoors and outdoor HC at least

If Sinner hadn’t messed up MP at USO. Alcaraz would’ve had 1 slam and Sinner would be 5-2 in the head to head, yet people hype Alcaraz so much

This isn't a thread about sinner at all. This is about Nadal and Alcaraz.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This is just an excuse, Joker was just that bad on serve in this years F. Give 06 RAFA Joker from this year in place of 06 Peakerer and he’d have 3 GS titles at the age of 20. Conversely Carl loses in 3 (maybe 4 sets max) vs 06 Fed.

The fact that you’re trying to say that a 36 year old Joker who played like he was 36 is a tougher opponent than a 25 year old Fed on clay is laughable. Go watch the Rome 06 F if you need convincing.

Give this joker 2022 Nadal and he wins 3 as well. Don't try to fool people. Djokovic is playing at very high level.

 

[dking68]

This isn't a thread about sinner at all. This is about Nadal and Alcaraz.

Yeah but he isn’t big three material. Sinner isn’t big three material either but honestly he’s probably the biggest talent on HC I’ve seen since Nole

 

[nolefam_2024]

Is it not possible to just wait and see if this guy gets 10 slams first then start make Big 3 comparisons?

There is no need to wait. He has proven to have better 19 years age than fedkovic. Now he is proving to be better at 20 than Nadal.

This is no Dimitrov hype. This is real.

 

[Rosstour]

It doesn’t matter. I bet he will struggle to achieve double digits. Sinner has breadsticked him four times and Sinner is about to enter his peak physically and game wise. No way he beats Peak Rafa, Roger or Nole. He would’ve been crushed by all three

Sinner has a matchup advantage vs Carlitos now, but he hasn't been able to parlay that into Slam wins.

If Sinner were 2 years younger than Alcaraz I would say yeah, Charles should be scared. But if Sinner hasn't used his wins over Alcaraz as a springboard to winning those next few matches on the big stages...he's about to enter that phase Tsitsipas and Zverev have never left..."the next young guy to win a Slam"

Alcaraz is past that already, has already won 2 Slams and been world #1, and the Sinner-Alcaraz rivalry has all the feel of Sinner being the gatekeeper a la Nalbandian to Federer. Once Alcaraz figures him out it's over, and time is on his side, not Sinner's.

 

[dking68]

He is real hype but I think he’ll get between 8-12 majors. sinner will be the factor on hard court though

 

[The Blond Blur]

Give this joker 2022 Nadal and he wins 3 as well. Don't try to fool people. Djokovic is playing at very high level.

Ah yes a 36 year old RAFA with an abdominal strain who could barely hit 100 mph 1st serves is the same thing as 20 year old peak athleticism RAFA Joker didn’t play at a high level in this years F and that’s what matters. The circus must be in town because these are clown posts.

 

[dking68]

Sinner has a matchup advantage vs Carlitos now, but he hasn't been able to parlay that into Slam wins.

If Sinner were 2 years younger than Alcaraz I would say yeah, Charles should be scared. But if Sinner hasn't used his wins over Alcaraz as a springboard to winning those next few matches on the big stages...he's about to enter that phase Tsitsipas and Zverev have never left..."the next young guy to win a Slam"

Alcaraz is past that already, has already won 2 Slams and been world #1, and the Sinner-Alcaraz rivalry has all the feel of Sinner being the gatekeeper a la Nalbandian to Federer. Once Alcaraz figures him out it's over, and time is on his side, not Sinner's.

Sinner has played tennis for less years than Alcaraz and is already having a positive h2h against him. It won’t get easier for Alcaraz

 

[nolefam_2024]

Ah yes a 36 year old RAFA with an abdominal strain who could barely hit 100 mph 1st serves is the same thing as 20 year old peak athleticism RAFA Joker didn’t play at a high level in this years F and that’s what matters. The circus must be in town because these are clown posts.

Welcome to the reality that is going to be here.

 

[dking68]

Welcome to the reality that is going to be here.

If Alcaraz is real hype why is he struggling against 36 year old Nole?

 

[The Blond Blur]

Welcome to the reality that is going to be here.

Dude you’re the one claiming that 36 year old Joker is better than 25 year old Fed.

If you go down the list RAFA has been better in the majority of categories at the same age.

They both have 2 schlems. After that RAFA has more GS Fs, more MS1000’s (and thus more big titles overall), and more titles period. He’s even been better in the indoor season. He won Beijing and Madrid in 2005 to Carl’s 0 post USO titles. He made the YEC SF only losing to God mode Fed.

 

[Rosstour]

Sinner has played tennis for less years than Alcaraz and is already having a positive h2h against him. It won’t get easier for Alcaraz

Why won't it?

Alcaraz has a higher ceiling and that's plain to see. He has more variety, moves better, is just a better athlete overall, and has a better in-game attitude. He has trouble with Sinner's style now, but that could easily change.

Like I said, if Sinner had leveled up after those wins over Carlos, OK. But he hasn't. He still crumbles vs Djokovic while Alcaraz literally scored the toughest win possible in today's tennis...beating Djokovic at Wimbledon and denying him history. Sinner isn't nearly as mentally tough as Carlos in addition to the other disadvantages he has.

 

[dking68]

Why won't it?

Alcaraz has a higher ceiling and that's plain to see. He has more variety, moves better, is just a better athlete overall, and has a better in-game attitude. He has trouble with Sinner's style now, but that could easily change.

Like I said, if Sinner had leveled up after those wins over Carlos, OK. But he hasn't. He still crumbles vs Djokovic while Alcaraz literally scored the toughest win possible in today's tennis...beating Djokovic at Wimbledon and denying him history. Sinner isn't nearly as mentally tough as Carlos in addition to the other disadvantages he has.

You’ll see if they play each other in Turin. The poor rat is going to be crushed in straights

 

[Clay lover]

Nadal is obviously less naturally suited for hardcourts, but his almost inborn shot tolerance and mental toughness can go a long way in terms of allowing to grasp titles through sheer will and out-lasting his opponents. And on top of that his utter dominance on clay is something Carlos can only dream to attain.

So overall I feel while Nadal isn't as naturally proficient on non-clay surfaces as Carlos as evidenced by their results he can even it out in the end or even edge Carlos because of his ATG consistency and mentality. And at RG of course it's basically no contest. Alcaraz has displayed a "big three level" for sure I'm doubtful if he can carry it day-in day-out for 10+ years like Nadal does to amass titles even on weaker surfaces

 

[nolefam_2024]

Dude you’re the one claiming that 36 year old Joker is better than 25 year old Fed.

If you go down the list RAFA has been better in the majority of categories at the same age.

They both have 2 schlems. After that RAFA has more GS Fs, more MS1000’s (and thus more big titles overall), and more titles period. He’s even been better in the indoor season. He won Beijing and Madrid in 2005 to Carl’s 0 post USO titles. He made the YEC SF only losing to God mode Fed.

I am claiming he is as good as 25 year old Federer or just worse.

Nadal lost to Fed in 4 while Raz beat Nole.
You are the one claiming 20 year old Nadal who had not won anything on clay is better than world number 1 7 time champ Nole who has also match up advantage over Nadal outside clay.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal is obviously less naturally suited for hardcourts, but his almost inborn shot tolerance and mental toughness can go a long way in terms of allowing to grasp titles through sheer will and out-lasting his opponents. And on top of that his utter dominance on clay is something Carlos can only dream to attain.

So overall I feel while Nadal isn't as naturally proficient on non-clay surfaces as Carlos as evidenced by their results he can even it out in the end or even edge Carlos because of his ATG consistency and mentality. And at RG of course it's basically no contest. Alcaraz has displayed a "big three level" for sure I'm doubtful if he can carry it day-in day-out for 10+ years like Nadal does to amass titles even on weaker surfaces

Yes this is not for big picture after 10 years thread. I am just contesting Alcaraz recent spell of bad loss is not as bad. He is only 20. And he is getting scrutinized a lot.

 

[The Blond Blur]

I am claiming he is as good as 25 year old Federer or just worse.

Nadal lost to Fed in 4 while Raz beat Nole.
You are the one claiming 20 year old Nadal who had not won anything on clay is better than world number 1 7 time champ Nole who has also match up advantage over Nadal outside clay.

And that’s a ridiculous claim to make lol.

It doesn’t matter if he won 7 Wimbys if he didn’t play like it, which he didn’t. He was bad for huge chunks of that match. It’s beyond lazy and honestly disingenuous to use that as the basis for who played against the tougher opponent.

 

[nolefam_2024]

And that’s a ridiculous claim to make lol.

It doesn’t matter if he won 7 Wimbys if he didn’t play like it, which he didn’t. He was bad for huge chunks of that match. It’s beyond lazy and honestly disingenuous to use that as the basis for who played against the tougher opponent.

lol

 

[The Blond Blur]

lol

 

[dking68]

His body is already breaking down at age 20 and I don’t see it getting any easier for him - Sinner is peaking and people are figuring him out. I think he gets to 7-8 slams, he’s no double digit champion

 

[nolefam_2024]

You can't just put your subjective view and call it a reality. There is no way to measure if Djokovic was lazy in the Wimbledon final. Same like no way to measure Fed was not lazy. This is ridiculous.

 

[The Blond Blur]

You can't just put your subjective view and call it a reality. There is no way to measure if Djokovic was lazy in the Wimbledon final. Same like no way to measure Fed was not lazy. This is ridiculous.

Funny because that’s exactly what you’re doing when you say that 36 year old Joker is just as good as 25 year old Fed

I never said Joker was lazy in this year’s Wimby F. I said your argument was lazy. Reading comprehension is your friend, but I guess you guys aren’t on speaking terms.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Funny because that’s exactly what you’re doing when you say that 36 year old Joker is just as good as 25 year old Fed

I never said Joker was lazy in this year’s Wimby F. I said your argument was lazy. Reading comprehension is your friend, but I guess you guys aren’t on speaking terms.

Djoker at 36 is as good as Fed at 25 in slams. Both went 27-1. Both had lousy competition.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Djoker at 36 is as good as Fed at 25 in slams. Both went 27-1. Both had lousy competition.

Again this is beyond laughable. The 2023 field is much worse compared to 06. The fact that you’re just looking at their GS match record without digging deeper than that isn’t even a surface level analysis.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Again this is beyond laughable. The 2023 field is much worse compared to 06. The fact that you’re just looking at their GS match record without digging deeper than that isn’t even a surface level analysis.

Nadal lost to bunch of nobodies. Don't try to divert the subject. He also won against nobodies to reach Wimby finals.