Carlos is still not fit enough. He is not as jacked as he will ever be but I don't think it would be big deal.
Losing to peak Federer at Wimbledon, in a tight 4 set match (except for the first set) is not the same thing as totally collapsing after 2 sets against a 36 years old Djokovic at a slam at which the latter never looked unbeatable, leave alone dominant.
What did you expect from the Berrettini fan?
He didn’t win because he cramped against a 36 year old
Hurkacz should have dispatched the Serbian wolf in the fourth round but like the players of his generation, he failed in the decisive moments.
Djokovic should never have won RG again but the absence of the defending champion and Carlitos' untimely cramps allowed the Serbian wolf to win there again.
Federer was almost 25 years old when he won that edition of Wimbledon; it's just a detail, by the way.
"Hopeless rat"? You don't like him much, I see. You really think he peaked merely aged 20? Very few players do that, the only exception I know of is Lleyton Hewitt.
Sinner hasn’t reached his peak yet
Raz attracts some visceral hatred here. "Hopeless rat, teeth hehe" ...
Rafa was diagnosed with his Mueller Weiss syndrome after the repeated injuries he was facing since his 1st GS and super successful 2005.
Nadal had average 2006-07 season just post his 20th birthday. Average from peak big 3 level. At one point he went 9 months without winning a single title.
Let's see how Nadal fared post Rome 2005.
Roland Garros - W beating Federer
Queens club QF - L to Hewitt world number 13
Wimbledon F - L to Federer ( had one of the worst draw to final , 2 QF and 1 WC, tired Agassi, then world number 22, and world number 18 to reach the final.
Rogers cup 3R - L to Berdych world number 14
Cincy QF - L to Ferrero World number 31
US open QF - L to Youzhney World number 54
Stockholm 2R - L to Johansson World number freaking 690
Madrid QF - L to Berdych World number 11
TMC SF - L to Federer (only second time he lost to someone in top 10, both times to Federer)
Comes new year
Chennai SF - L to Mallisse world number 37
Sydney 1R - L to Guccione world number 107 retired
Australian open QF - L to Gonzalez world number 9 (third time he lost to someone in top 10)
Dubai - QF L to Youzhney world number 18
It was only at IW he got back to his form. This is a lot of muggery but Nadal is not ridiculed. It wasn't the strength of his era or Federer who made him lose this much. It was his own inexperience.
Now lets see Alcaraz after turning 20
Madrid 2023 - W
Rome 2023 - L to Marsozan world number 135
RG 2023 - L to Djokovic (REAL world number 1)
Queens club - W
Wimbledon - W beat 3 top 10 including world number 1 Djokovic , humiliated Medvedev
Rogers cup QF - L to Paul world number 14
Cincy F - L to Djokovic world number 2
US Open SF - L to Medvedev world number 3
China Open SF - L to Sinner world number 7
Shanghai 4R - L to Dimitrov world number 19.
We can see Alcaraz won a bunch of titles post turning 20. He even lost to quality players except Marsozan.
At the same age Nadal was mugging up after clay season. But there are threads about Alcaraz not being at big 3 level already. Why is Nadal discounted? Because he beat Federer a bunch of times in clay? Even outside of Federer Nadal lost to every single player mostly out of top 10.
Alcaraz has a chance to have a better 20th year than Nadal and Djokovic. We know Federer wasn't even close to these three at 20 years age.
There is no doubting this guy. He won Wimbledon already.
exactly.
Alcaraz turned 20 this season. This would be the equivalent of Nadal's 2006 season.
Nadal had to come back from two sets down sets to beat a 237th ranked qualifier in the second round, 67 36 76 75 64
I’m well aware it’d be RAFA’s 06 season. Even then he played at a higher level and had a better resume. By this point they had an equal number of schlems (though RAFA faced stiffer competition in his 2 title runs). But RAFA had made more GS Fs, mad more “big titles” 6 MS1000s to 4 (and RAFA got screwed by a horrendous line call in Miami that would have made it 7 to 4), titles overall (17 vs 12) etc.
On principle, I don't really factor the early rounds into consideration if significant improvement is made in the final rounds. I don't really care about, say, Federer struggling with Benneteau in 2012 or Djokovic with Anderson in 2015 when they both had solid semifinal and final performances. And of course I pay no attention to the fourth round at Djokovic's AO 2016 run when that masterclass of a semifinal happened. This is of course certainly true with Nadal who has struggled in the early rounds of Wimbledon for ages only to dramatically raise his level on second-week Wimbledon grass. In 2010, he also went down 2-0 against Petzschner but went on to take home the trophy after a straight-set final.
Always trust data over biased opinions of TTWarriors, it applies to everyone and you can always check the source for comparisons.Alcaraz is up to 91 and takes 2nd spot on the chart (someone created a month ago)
I think its beyond just numbers. Nadal at 20 had better shot tolerance than Alcaraz but Alcaraz has a very good net game which for some reason he hasn’t been exploiting of late. Nadal is the superior baseliner.
I actually think Alcaraz could make a big leap on return. His biggest weakness by far is inconsistency on the second serve return. He misses something like 19% of them (Med, the paragon of consistency, misses more like 10-11% I forget the exact numbers.) On the other hand, he wins a ton of points on second serve return when he lands the ball in play. The problem is he’s just a bit too loose and aggressive on that second ball. I think as he ages and grows in experience and maturity, he’ll temper that aggression. Obviously then his points-won-in-play will likely drop, but if he can minimize that drop as he raises his returns in play, it’ll be a net increase, and potentially a big one. And I don’t think there are any obvious technical limitations that would stop him from achieving this – unlike, say, Federer who just couldn’t find a way to attack second serves consistently with his conservative one hander. Carlos is already one of the best returners of first serve – if he were lacking there, I’d be pessimistic about future return success – but if he can just nudge up a little bit his second serve return performance, he could have a very high ceiling, even on hard courts. We’ll see if he can do so, though, and how long it takes if he does.
Sinner will win Miami. No target on his back. But number 2 won’t be achieved for now
Wrong thread. If no pt about Nadal or alcaraz then wrong thread.
Alcaraz has so many masters titles man. Sinner is behind
Alcaraz gave away a GS title due to his nervousness and the expectations that overwhelmed him at the most inopportune moment against a player as experienced as Djokovic.
Alcaraz has the potential to be the biggest winner in the history of the IW and Madrid tournaments.
Indian cricket fan analysing Tennis.
How many times did Nadal lose to a player over the age of 30 in 2006 or 2007?
Nadal had average 2006-07 season just post his 20th birthday. Average from peak big 3 level. At one point he went 9 months without winning a single title.
Let's see how Nadal fared post Rome 2005.
Roland Garros - W beating Federer
Queens club QF - L to Hewitt world number 13
Wimbledon F - L to Federer ( had one of the worst draw to final , 2 QF and 1 WC, tired Agassi, then world number 22, and world number 18 to reach the final.
Rogers cup 3R - L to Berdych world number 14
Cincy QF - L to Ferrero World number 31
US open QF - L to Youzhney World number 54
Stockholm 2R - L to Johansson World number freaking 690
Madrid QF - L to Berdych World number 11
TMC SF - L to Federer (only second time he lost to someone in top 10, both times to Federer)
Comes new year
Chennai SF - L to Mallisse world number 37
Sydney 1R - L to Guccione world number 107 retired
Australian open QF - L to Gonzalez world number 9 (third time he lost to someone in top 10)
Dubai - QF L to Youzhney world number 18
It was only at IW he got back to his form. This is a lot of muggery but Nadal is not ridiculed. It wasn't the strength of his era or Federer who made him lose this much. It was his own inexperience.
Now lets see Alcaraz after turning 20
Madrid 2023 - W
Rome 2023 - L to Marsozan world number 135
RG 2023 - L to Djokovic (REAL world number 1)
Queens club - W
Wimbledon - W beat 3 top 10 including world number 1 Djokovic , humiliated Medvedev
Rogers cup QF - L to Paul world number 14
Cincy F - L to Djokovic world number 2
US Open SF - L to Medvedev world number 3
China Open SF - L to Sinner world number 7
Shanghai 4R - L to Dimitrov world number 19.
We can see Alcaraz won a bunch of titles post turning 20. He even lost to quality players except Marsozan.
At the same age Nadal was mugging up after clay season. But there are threads about Alcaraz not being at big 3 level already. Why is Nadal discounted? Because he beat Federer a bunch of times in clay? Even outside of Federer Nadal lost to every single player mostly out of top 10.
Alcaraz has a chance to have a better 20th year than Nadal and Djokovic. We know Federer wasn't even close to these three at 20 years age.
There is no doubting this guy. He won Wimbledon already.
