Nadal and Djokovic would not have survived the 80's and 90's - Becker

ppmishra

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LOL and you think YOU are. Apparently you cant read, I was actually defending Djokovic's offensive abilities by saying he was very good offensively as well as defensively, moreso than others on this thread were saying. So if that apparently isnt good enough for you, what the heck do you want someone to say, that he is even better an attacker than defender. You truly are a blind Djokovic fanatic if that is the case, even his other ardent fans on this forum (the sane ones) like Ripster and Towser and others wouldnt say that. As for what experts think name me one single expert on the planet who says Djokovic is a greater attacking player than defensive one. Good luck, you will need it (barring making something up). PS- McEnroe calling Djokovic the best returner ever does not equate to calling him a better attacking player than defender, sorry.
Both Nadal and Djokovic are similar in the sense a solid defense is the foundation of their game, but they are aggressive baseliners. They are more similar to lendl than bruguera using a rough analogy. What people are forgetting is they have adapted and improved their strokes/tactics to shorten points over the years no matter how much slower the surfaces are since their careers began. Can anyone honestly say Nadals serve, backhand, volleys are the same today as they were in 2005? Nope.
How about Novak's serve, net game, transition game since 2006? They have both improved drastically even though understandably they are not as fast today.
So to remain relevant players adapt. A purely defensive game will only work upto a point. After that it's simple. improve or stagnate (Nadal 2015, Djokovic 2012-2013)
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Again, look at what he improved in Novak's game. Second serve placement and pace, slice backhand, transition game ("if you can finish a point in 4 shots, why don't you do it?"). The results speak for themselves. Did he improve Novak's effectiveness? You bet he did.
I don't have a problem with someone saying Becker was an effective coach. I'm sure he was.

My problem with Becker was he often spoke for Novak Djokovic as if he was Novak Djokovic (much like his Dad seems to do).

And he would have changed his tune from his original comments here after coaching Djokovic, I imagine. Especially given it delayed him from being bankrupt.
 

ppmishra

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I don't have a problem with someone saying Becker was an effective coach. I'm sure he was.

My problem with Becker was he often spoke for Novak Djokovic as if he was Novak Djokovic (much like his Dad seems to do).

And he would have changed his tune from his original comments here after coaching Djokovic, I imagine. Especially given it delayed him from being bankrupt.
Why would he? He was not being hypocritical. TBH, I was surprised though when he recently said that he told Novak he didn't like his serve (before their coaching stint). I thought Novak had an excellent first serve (not second) before Todd Martin wrecked it, but that apart he was being absolutely honest about what Novak needed to work on. If anything, he has remained honest and now both Toni and Boris have been supportive of him in general after the disastrous Adria tour unlike his father who is the first to blame dimitrov.
Sure, Boris has rattled federers cage after becoming Novak's coach, which was unnecessary imo.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Why would he? He was not being hypocritical. TBH, I was surprised though when he recently said that he told Novak he didn't like his serve (before their coaching stint). I thought Novak had an excellent first serve (not second) before Todd Martin wrecked it, but that apart he was being absolutely honest about what Novak needed to work on. If anything, he has remained honest and now both Toni and Boris have been supportive of him in general after the disastrous Adria tour unlike his father who is the first to blame dimitrov.
Sure, Boris has rattled federers cage after becoming Novak's coach, which was unnecessary imo.
I'll admit I was probably just salty during that time period. It just seemed unnecessary as you said.

I do agree he was a good coach though.
 

ppmishra

Rookie
Becker would not have survived the 2000's and 2010's!
:p
Yes and No, He would not have won Wimbledon at 17 or 18 but his baseline game would have developed naturally and without pressure. He would have been a serve + groundstroke player instead of being a pure serve volleyer. If anything, he would have been a far better baseliner and just as lethal indoors. Put a roof over his head on any surface including clay and watch out.
How many slams could he have won? Hard to say but imo he wouldn't have played under the same kind of pressure and I would say at least 6-8 if not more. He had the power, touch, mindset and had excellent footwork in his younger years (except on outdoor clay).
 
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