Nadal and Federer fans: Injured Rafa or fit Kyrgios V Djokovic in final?

Who would you rather Djokovic plays in the final

  • Rafa not 100%

  • A fit Kyrgios

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Spencer Gore

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A question for the Nadal and Federer fans. If Rafa is not 100% would you rather he end up losing to Kyrgios in the semi-final so that Djokovic is given some sort of competition in the final (assuming Novak beats the South African-New Zealand-British player in his semi). Or would you rather Rafa plays the final whatever his condition, to at least give him a shot at the Grand Slam, even if he would be severely disadvantaged?
(By losing, I don't mean deliberately.)
 
Djoko knows he'll win against a healthy Nadal, so an injured Nadal is no problem for him.

Kyrgios won't win either, but at least he can shake things up a bit.
 
Also, Djokovic has more than 2 brain cells and wouldn't go to the fh side all the match when it's the bh side that's clearly affected.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
Djoko knows he'll win against a healthy Nadal, so an injured Nadal is no problem for him.

Kyrgios won't win either, but at least he can shake things up a bit.
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Djokovic would be favourite against a healthy Nadal, of course, but you can never be certain which Djokovic is going to turn up in a final. He has had finals when he has played poorly or not quite been there mentally: W2013 v Murray, W2019 v Federer, US 2021 v Medvedev etc. If that Djokovic turned up I'd take a fit Nadal to win.
 
Kyrgios is very dangerous, thats for sure, he straight setted his QF opponent and is fresh, he has beaten Nadal once here, Nadal is injured, He has a 2-0 H2H (even if that is BO3) vs Novak and Novak himself praises Nick's serve, so you never know, Nick might be the best hope for Nadal to stop Novak from reaching 21.

Fed fans I guess are just watching Tennis as neutrals now, they don't have a horse in this race anymore, so they would just watch how things unfold.
 
Spencer Gore said:
Djokovic would be favourite against a healthy Nadal, of course, but you can never be certain which Djokovic is going to turn up in a final. He has had finals when he has played poorly or not quite been there mentally: W2013 v Murray, W2019 v Federer, US 2021 v Medvedev etc. If that Djokovic turned up I'd take a fit Nadal to win.
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True, but won't be the case here sadly.
 
There would be infinitely more pressure playing Nadal in the final. If Djoker loses, it's over. Or, at best, he's on life support.

Djoker didn't respond too well to the pressure of the USO final.
 
Antonio Puente said:
There would be infinitely more pressure playing Nadal in the final. If Djoker loses, it's over. Or, at best, he's on life support.

Djoker didn't respond too well to the pressure of the USO final.
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Djoker won’t feel as much pressure as it’s not for CYGS. Plus he’s more comfortable taking Rafa on outside of clay and Wimbledon is a good venue for him to take on the Spaniard.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Djoker won’t feel as much pressure as it’s not for CYGS.
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At this point, losing to Nadal and going to minus 3 with Nadal having a shot at a CYGS vs. remaining just 2 down is night and day.

Djoker would be the favorite, but if he loses, it's over, and this isn't the AO. Djoker rarely dominates at Wimbledon. I doubt Nadal fears Djoker on grass, especially considering his level of play vs. Sinner and his general level of play over the past 12 months.
 
Antonio Puente said:
At this point, losing to Nadal and going to minus 3 with Nadal having a shot at a CYGS vs. remaining just 2 down is night and day.

Djoker would be the favorite, but if he loses, it's over, and this isn't the AO. Djoker rarely dominates at Wimbledon. I doubt Nadal fears Djoker on grass, especially considering his level of play vs. Sinner and his general level of play over the past 12 months.
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Djoker doesn’t fear Nadal either off clay. Especially not at Wimbledon where he’s won it 6 times. It’s now his 2nd home after AO.
 
Antonio Puente said:
Yes. he's the favorite, but he could lose, just as he could have lost to Sinner, and if he loses to Nadal its over. If he loses to Nick, he's still alive.
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I do agree with the slam race pressure. Yes if Nadal beats him it makes a huge favourite and close to a lock to win the race. Albeit wouldn’t say defo over as Novak won’t give it. Wouldn’t look great though I agree.

Yes, it’s big pressure but Novak has been in many pressure situation in his career. I’m hoping he can handle it but we will see how it plays out.

I also agree Rafa has a good chance to win it it all as he playing very well and mental beast. I just confident I’m Novak’s ability on the grass to see him home but no doubt it’s not going to be easy especially if it’s Rafa.
 
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helterskelter said:
More or less fit Nadal v Djokovic.

All players have niggling minor injuries at this stage.
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Not all injuries are minor, and the abdominal pain by Nadal did not allow him to serve properly (his serve was 20 mph slower on average). Such condition is a crucial disadvantadge and thus a serious injury that gives Nadal no chance to be competitive against Novak.
 
Sport said:
Not all injuries are minor, and the abdominal pain by Nadal did not allow him to serve properly (his serve was 20 mph slower on average). Such condition is a crucial disadvantadge and thus a serious injury that gives Nadal no chance to be competitive against Novak.
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He was serving at 185 kmh or faster for much of the fifth set yesterday, especially the second half. Not all injuries are minor but his current injuries are minor.
 
Hitman said:
If Nadal plays the final, he will be good enough to win the title. So no, he won't be injured Nadal, at least no more than usual.
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That's like saying that 2014 Nadal was healthy in the AO final against Wawrinka just because he reached the final.


Reaching the final is not a synonym wity being healthy.
 
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helterskelter said:
He was serving at 185 kmh or faster for much of the fifth set yesterday, especially the second half. Not all injuries are minor but his current injuries are minor.
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Definerely a serious injury. He was serving much slower than usual, on average (a few good serves do not change the average).

Obviously, not the most serious kind of injury (i.e. the ones that force you to retire from the match), but serious enough to put you in a position incompatible to reach your best level. Injured Nadal can beat Fritz, not Novak. To have a chance against Novak, you can't have an andominal inury that makes you serve like a WTA player (exaggeration, but you get my point, his serve is severely damaged).

It's official. Nasal has a 7 mm abdominal fracture as per his morning medical test in London:
www.marca.com

La heroicidad de Nadal: quiere jugar la semifinal con una rotura de siete milímetros en el abdominal

Mucha expectación por ver la sesión preparatoria de Rafael Nadal de cara a la semifinal de mañana con Nick Kyrgios. El tenista balear, que lleva una semana sin ejercitar su saque e
www.marca.com www.marca.com

But yeah, according to his haters, Nadal cannot be injured.
 
Always Nadal. Kyrgios is only good for drama, but his game isn't very watchable. One or two trickshots don't change that for me. Apart from that he has absolutely zero chance to win and it would be another wasted Slam final after RG. Nadal/Djokovic on the other hand is 50/50.
 
Sport said:
Definerely a serious injury. He was serving much slower than usual, on average (a few good serves do not change the average).

Obviously, not the most serious kind of injury (i.e. the ones that force you to retire from the match), but serious enough to put you in a position incompatible to reach your best level. Injured Nadal can beat Fritz, not Novak. To have a chance against Novak, you can't have an andominal inury that makes you serve like a WTA player (exaggeration, but you get my point, his serve is severely damaged).

It's official. Nasal has a 7 mm abdominal fracture as per his morning medical test in London:
www.marca.com

La heroicidad de Nadal: quiere jugar la semifinal con una rotura de siete milímetros en el abdominal

Mucha expectación por ver la sesión preparatoria de Rafael Nadal de cara a la semifinal de mañana con Nick Kyrgios. El tenista balear, que lleva una semana sin ejercitar su saque e
www.marca.com www.marca.com

But yeah, according to his haters, Nadal cannot be injured.
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He cannot be seriously injured and also come from behind to beat a top 20 player over four+ hours while running smoothly most of the time and recovering his service speed considerably within a couple of hours. Nadal fans said much the same about Djokovic at the AO 2021.

This is just getting the excuses in early in case he loses to Kyrgios or Djokovic. But don't worry, he will probably still win against Kyrgios and he'd be outsider against Djokovic on grass regardless of the circumstances.
 
Fit Kyrgios. This tournament is already filled to the rim with nonsense. At least give us healthy finalists, so we get a real match.
 
Sport said:
That's like saying that 2014 Nadal was healthy in the fAO inal against Wawrinka just because he reached the final.


Reachjng the final is not a synonym wity being healthy.
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He got injured before the final was going to happen, he was perfectly fine in the six matches before it. Here Nadal is injured in the quarters match itself, and he has time to assess whether he is fit enough to compete and still win another two matches.
 
ChrisRF said:
Always Nadal. Kyrgios is only good for drama, but his game isn't very watchable. One or two trickshots don't change that for me. Apart from that he has absolutely zero chance to win and it would be another wasted Slam final after RG. Nadal/Djokovic on the other hand is 50/50.
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Even with his compromised serve you think it's 50/50?
 
Marco Rotim said:
Kyrgios is very dangerous, thats for sure, he straight setted his QF opponent and is fresh, he has beaten Nadal once here, Nadal is injured, He has a 2-0 H2H (even if that is BO3) vs Novak and Novak himself praises Nick's serve, so you never know, Nick might be the best hope for Nadal to stop Novak from reaching 21.

Fed fans I guess are just watching Tennis as neutrals now, they don't have a horse in this race anymore, so they would just watch how things unfold.
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djokovic winning is closer to rogers Wimbledon record. Absolutely want Djokovic to lose , what You mean ??
 
What would really suck is if Nadal gives it his all (and he always does) and beats Kyrgios but ends up worsening the tear and has to bail out of the final.
 
GabeT said:
What would really suck is if Nadal gives it his all (and he always does) and beats Kyrgios but ends up worsening the tear and has to bail out of the final.
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Or worse. Norrie somehow wins, Nadal wins and has to pull out.

Norrie 2022 Wimbledon champ.
 
ChrisRF said:
No, but I think it will be at least better on Sunday, if not back to near normal. And it's also quite unsure these days which form Djokovic will come up with.
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Djokovic's return will make Rafa life hell but from what i have seen Djokovic's BH DTL is missing this year and Nadal can outplay in rallies if he doesn't have pain hitting his BH. Spot serving with 110 MPH? Doesn't sound like a bad idea.
 
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BH40love said:
djokovic winning is closer to rogers Wimbledon record. Absolutely want Djokovic to lose , what You mean ??
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Djokovic is close to Pete's record of 7, Roger is 1 above.

If I was a Roger Fan then maybe I would want Kyrgios to smoke them both back to back and win, maybe you r right, Roger fans would also have a champ they are betting on and that is Nick.
 
Marco Rotim said:
Djokovic is close to Pete's record of 7, Roger is 1 above.

If I was a Roger Fan then maybe I would want Kyrgios to smoke them both back to back and win, maybe you r right, Roger fans would also have a champ they are betting on and that is Nick.
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No, I could never root for someone who dislikes tennis to win the most historic tennis tournament. I don't know if it's still the greatest these days, because too much nonsense happened lately, but that's not the topic here.
 
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ChrisRF said:
No, I could never root for someone who dislikes tennis to win the most historic tennis tournament. I don't know if it's still the greatest these days, because too much nonsense happended lately, but that's not the topic here.
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No Russian players , when two of them could have done some damage in this tournament. No points. No Roger. It’s not the same feel this year all around for this tournament.
 
Hitman said:
If Nadal plays the final, he will be good enough to win the title. So no, he won't be injured Nadal, at least no more than usual.
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No.

If Nadal isn't exactly 100%, there is no chance he beats Djokovic. You know this.

Djokofans are just gonna be like "see, Nadal just can't beat Djokovic anywhere besides clay! 2018 SF was a fluke!" if Nadal goes in even at 80% and Djokovic has no injuries and Djokovic thus beats him down. This will be used as evidence.

If Nadal can't be 100% for the final, I'd rather see Kyrgios win a GS, just cuz that would be bannanas
 
LetWinner II said:
No.

If Nadal isn't exactly 100%, there is no chance he beats Djokovic. You know this.

Djokofans are just gonna be like "see, Nadal just can't beat Djokovic anywhere besides clay! 2018 SF was a fluke!" if Nadal goes in even at 80% and Djokovic has no injuries and Djokovic thus beats him down. This will be used as evidence.

If Nadal can't be 100% for the final, I'd rather see Kyrgios win a GS, just cuz that would be bannanas
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There is a flip side to that coin. Because this also give the opportunity for Rafafans to tear down the possible win that Djokovic might have by claiming Nadal was injured, the same way we saw after RG 21. Hollow win etc etc etc. If Nadal makes the final, that means he feels he is good enough to win it. If he feels he is not, then he should stop now and try to heal.
 
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