Nadal And The MTO, Illegal Coaching, Time Wasting

bullfan

Legend
I'd say it varies, even if he doesn't suddenly starts using s&v.

I'm unwilling to credit Toni with much of that if at all though.

Quite frankly, I think the game plan is there, and it's part of the strategy to throw the other player off with any s&v because that done rarely keeps it off the minds of the other players more. Rafa is even predictable in his trying to serve out games and in particular sets with an ace down the middle.
 
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What really irritates me is how blindly some Federer fans hate Nadal, yes I dislike Djokovic a lot but those reasons are independent of his winning or losing to any other player and entirely to do with his on and off court behavior as well as my own personal experience with him. Federer fans seem to hate Nadal just because Rafa has a winning record against him, and cover it with accusations of off and on court bullying when in actuality Rafa is a very nice and genuine (somewhat strange but genuine) guy.. I am definitely a bigger fan of Federer than Nadal, but I like and respect them both and actually think there is a lot of similarity between their games if you strip away the fluff. I'm just trying to show Federer fans that while they may embrace Djokovic and think he is the best thing since sliced bread because he beats Rafa often, Roger doesn't have the same opinion.

Interesting.

You say, that you are able to separate your opinion about the player as a personality and about his career (i.e. winning, whatever) and at the same time refuse the others (in this particular case Federer fans) the same, by saying, that they are hating on Nadal jsut because he wins against Federer.

:roll:
 
What I find most interesting in regards to Nadals so called on court coaching, is the fact that Nadal's game doesn't vary. There isn't anyone playing Nadal who doesn't know what to expect. Nadal has the same game plan day in and day out. Granted, he's tried some new things in 2013, but that's due to age and wear and tear. Mostly, he doesn't try all out for points like he used to.

What you are saying makes no sense.

Or are you saying, that Nadal doesn't follow Toni's instructions?
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
Too much to understand for some here, that much is obvious.

If you continue the reading down the thread, you would have seen that his point was debunked to the extent that he had to resort to typocal sore loser tactics. But you are welcome to pick up where he left off.

The point being, if the time and coaching rules has been strictly enforced to everyone, Nadal would have lost many matches. As the worst violator of rules and abuser of tradition among the top players, Nadal benefited the most from the lax and uneven enforcement standard.

Economic 101: all the top guys are money making machines for the tennis authorities. Whenever possible the authorities bend over backwards for the stars. Nadal was fined for coaching was not because he was singled out; really, it was because the coaching was so out of control that not calling him out would have been a complete joke.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
If you continue the reading down the thread, you would have seen that his point was debunked to the extent that he had to resort to typocal sore loser tactics. But you are welcome to pick up where he left off.

The point being, if the time and coaching rules has been strictly enforced to everyone, Nadal would have lost many matches. As the worst violator of rules and abuser of tradition among the top players, Nadal benefited the most from the lax and uneven enforcement standard.

Economic 101: all the top guys are money making machines for the tennis authorities. Whenever possible the authorities bend over backwards for the stars. Nadal was fined for coaching was not because he was singled out; really, it was because the coaching was so out of control that not calling him out would have been a complete joke.

She and other Nadal fans will come back with the same responses over and over,

1. Nadal is not the only pro to cheat on court, so it's ok for him to cheat.
2. You're picking on Nadal because he has a positive h2h against Fed.

I guess Rafa's own coach also hates him because of his positive h2h against Fed because he admitted to illegal coaching himself.

“I talk to Rafa during matches. I know that it’s not allowed but I think that at my age I have nothing to hide,” Toni told the Spanish journalist David Nadal.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/07/uncle-toni-i-talk-rafa-during-matches/48355/#.UefvBo2c9fY
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Absolutely. If I had the power to decide, I would put a huge timer on court and everytime someone goes over the time limit, a point should be deducted from that player.



My take on the whole thing is that, the players Nadal cheated on during matches should themselves go out there do a freakin' mass demonstration if that bothers them. Can you imagine, tennis is their job and Nadal is robbing them of trophies and millions of dollars. But it seems like players that Nadal cheated on actually like him. Now, since the players seem unwilling to go out there and take down this cheating dictator Nadal, Roger fans should go out there and show their disgust. Protest! "we are Fed fans and we hate this cheating Nadal" or "return all your trophies and give them to Roger because you cheated".

Do I think Juan Martin and Novak are great players? Yes! Do I think they are good sportsmen? No, but I don't care. I just want to watch them bash that yellow ball.


The difference between Novak, Del Potro, and other 'time wasters' is that they don't do it at dubious times, they do it out of habit. Nadal will actually purposely take some of the most dubious restroom breaks, MTOs, or waste time at critical junctures of the match. He also does this on a consistent basis. However, when Nadal is way ahead of the other guy, he doesn't take nearly as much time and in fact attempts to play faster to pressure the other guy even more.

It's actually extremely poor sportsmanship, and it's obvious that Nadal will bend whatever rules he can to win a match. Should everyone respect him for his achievements? Sure. Should everyone respect him as a good sportsman? Nope. Not even close.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
I wonder if Toni really gets more out of the coaching than Rafael. He obviously finds it difficult to just sit there watching with his thumb up his butt. Maybe he thinks it's doing some good, but I doubt Rafael would have much trouble winning matches without the "advice". Still, it should be discontinued.
 

Incognito

Legend
The difference between Novak, Del Potro, and other 'time wasters' is that they don't do it at dubious times, they do it out of habit. Nadal will actually purposely take some of the most dubious restroom breaks, MTOs, or waste time at critical junctures of the match. He also does this on a consistent basis. However, when Nadal is way ahead of the other guy, he doesn't take nearly as much time and in fact attempts to play faster to pressure the other guy even more.

It's actually extremely poor sportsmanship, and it's obvious that Nadal will bend whatever rules he can to win a match. Should everyone respect him for his achievements? Sure. Should everyone respect him as a good sportsman? Nope. Not even close.

In pressure moments Novak says he bounces the ball more, he knows it psyches out players, then it became a habit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vFcCkiq5A

First of all, I'm not saying Nadal never breaks the rules but just because he does it "more often" doesn't mean we should single him out and exonerate the others. I don't view the 3 best players of this era as good sportsmen. Sampras and Edberg in the 90s were great sportsmen.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
In pressure moments Novak says he bounces the ball more, he knows it psyches out players, then it became a habit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vFcCkiq5A

First of all, I'm not saying Nadal never breaks the rules but just because he does it "more often" doesn't mean we should single him out and exonerate the others. I don't view the 3 best players of this era as good sportsmen. Sampras and Edberg in the 90s were great sportsmen.

Novak (unlike humble Nadal) is not portrayed by the media and his fans as a good sportsman.

Good player: Yes
Good Sportsman: No
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
In pressure moments Novak says he bounces the ball more, he knows it psyches out players, then it became a habit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7vFcCkiq5A

First of all, I'm not saying Nadal never breaks the rules but just because he does it "more often" doesn't mean we should single him out and exonerate the others. I don't view the 3 best players of this era as good sportsmen. Sampras and Edberg in the 90s were great sportsmen.


He's curbed the habit greatly. Like, massively. Novak used to routinely take 40-50 seconds in critical junctures of matches to psyche opponents out. That being said, he has done his best to curb a very bad habit of his, and he's made efforts to do so. Nadal has done none of it, and has never adjusted his play unless the umpires specifically warn him of his intrusion.

What a crock of crap. I don't know how many times I have heard commentators(as well as Fed fans/Cvac fans on this forum)say that Cvac is a good sportsman, and how he shows exemplary behavior. They wax him off at every turn and you know it. You are just trolling your *** off right now about this stuff.


Because Novak has changed his attitude? Wow, what a coincidence. Guy takes alot of flak for his ****ty behavior and then now he fixes it, and all of a sudden everyone praises him. What a coincidence!
 

Crisstti

Legend
If you continue the reading down the thread, you would have seen that his point was debunked to the extent that he had to resort to typocal sore loser tactics. But you are welcome to pick up where he left off.

The point being, if the time and coaching rules has been strictly enforced to everyone, Nadal would have lost many matches. As the worst violator of rules and abuser of tradition among the top players, Nadal benefited the most from the lax and uneven enforcement standard.

Economic 101: all the top guys are money making machines for the tennis authorities. Whenever possible the authorities bend over backwards for the stars. Nadal was fined for coaching was not because he was singled out; really, it was because the coaching was so out of control that not calling him out would have been a complete joke.

If those rules were strictly enforced, in all likelihood Nadal would never have developed such a long pre-serving ritual. So no, he wouldn't have lost many matches nor has he benefitted most.
Also, care to provide some evidence that he's the "worst violator" of these rules?, seems to be just some biased perception.

That is why the ATP changed the time rule specifically and openly targeting Rafa and Novak?.

That is just an assumption. It's at least as likely he was fined because he and Toni openly admit to it.

And I don't know why you talk of "abuser of tradition". What tradition is he "abusing"?.

The difference between Novak, Del Potro, and other 'time wasters' is that they don't do it at dubious times, they do it out of habit. Nadal will actually purposely take some of the most dubious restroom breaks, MTOs, or waste time at critical junctures of the match. He also does this on a consistent basis. However, when Nadal is way ahead of the other guy, he doesn't take nearly as much time and in fact attempts to play faster to pressure the other guy even more.

It's actually extremely poor sportsmanship, and it's obvious that Nadal will bend whatever rules he can to win a match. Should everyone respect him for his achievements? Sure. Should everyone respect him as a good sportsman? Nope. Not even close.

There's absolutely nothing to back that up. We don't know for certain why any of them do it, but if anything the one who seems to do it less purposefully is Nadal, with all his OCD like rituals.

No he won't.

And almost all players take longer at critical junctures of matches. The ones who already are faster to serve, are naturally less likely to go over the time limit in those moments.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
There's absolutely nothing to back that up. We don't know for certain why any of them do it, but if anything the one who seems to do it less purposefully is Nadal, with all his OCD like rituals.

No he won't.

And almost all players take longer at critical junctures of matches. The ones who already are faster to serve, are naturally less likely to go over the time limit in those moments.

So why is his OCD ritual longer only on break points and other important stages of the match when he is losing?

And almost all players take longer at critical junctures of matches. The ones who already are faster to serve, are naturally less likely to go over the time limit in those moments.

How difficult is it to learn to serve faster so you can take time on break points and still be within the allotted time? Fact is he is more than capable of controlling but chooses not to because he knows it disrupts his opponents rhythm.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
If those rules were strictly enforced, in all likelihood Nadal would never have developed such a long pre-serving ritual. So no, he wouldn't have lost many matches nor has he benefitted most.
Also, care to provide some evidence that he's the "worst violator" of these rules?, seems to be just some biased perception.

That is why the ATP changed the time rule specifically and openly targeting Rafa and Novak?.

That is just an assumption. It's at least as likely he was fined because he and Toni openly admit to it.

And I don't know why you talk of "abuser of tradition". What tradition is he "abusing"?.



There's absolutely nothing to back that up. We don't know for certain why any of them do it, but if anything the one who seems to do it less purposefully is Nadal, with all his OCD like rituals.

No he won't.

And almost all players take longer at critical junctures of matches. The ones who already are faster to serve, are naturally less likely to go over the time limit in those moments.


OCD behavior. That's funny.


Nadal will purposely play faster when he is ahead. I have in fact timed this on multiple occasions. When he's on serve, he'll take just about 20 seconds when he's running away with the match.

Nadal is not doing it because he is OCD. He does it because he knows his little 'quirks' so to speak annoy the hell out of his opponent. That's why he got so massively salty when Soderling basically called him out in front of the whole Wimbledon crowd after he attempted to play a dumbass mental game with him.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
Nadal got what 4 or 5 time violations in Montreal and here again 2 time violations in Cincy? but i'm sure it's all because the umpires hate Nadal because of his positive H2H against Fed. :lol:
 

bullfan

Legend
It’s hard to speak out against Rafael Nadal. Lynn Barber found out just how hard when she wrote about the world number one in a negative light. “Why did no one warn me that being rude about Rafa Nadal is like being rude about prophet Mohammad? Terrifying hate mail from his worshippers,” she posted on Twitter. And she’s right; post a negative comment about Nadal on Twitter and you’re bound to get many replies aggressively disagreeing with your point. Even Roger Federer isn’t this off-limits; fans have learnt to deal with accusations of arrogance and bad sportsmanship over time. Yet whilst Nadal may tick all the boxes when it comes to sportsmanship and humbleness off-court, his medical time outs (MTO) have raised suspicions. In particular, Nadal’s latest ill-timed MTO hasn’t gone unnoticed.

Having saved a set point when serving at 5-6 in the first set, Juan Martin del Potro looked focussed and ready to give his all in the tiebreak. That is until Nadal ran to his seat, swiftly accompanied by a trainer. Nine minutes later (three times the legal allowance) del Potro was angry, confused, and completely distracted. Despite taking a mini-break lead on two occasions, del Potro failed to stay focussed and lost the set to Nadal. Nadal’s foot, which supposedly hurt so much Nadal believed it was broken, was suddenly Ok. Nadal showed no further sign of injury and ran down del Potro’s best shots to win 7-6 3-6 7-6 6-4. By the end of the match, it was del Potro who looked worn-out and barely able to move. The usually reserved del Potro expressed his anger after the match, saying “He was running everywhere and running the same as always. I never thought he’d stop.”

Dodgy MTOs called for at crucial times in matches are nothing new for Nadal. He upset Phillip Petzschner last year at Wimbledon; the German lost focus and his two set to one lead when Nadal called for a trainer before the Petzschner serve. Nadal called for a trainer at 2-5 down against Federer with Federer serving during this year’s Roland Garros final and proceeded to win the set. This was nothing new for Federer, Nadal had done the same thing at Monte Carlo 2006 and Hamburg 2008 with the same result: Federer blowing a substantial lead. His medical time out’s are frequent and often seemingly unnecessary. Yet Nadal seems largely immune to criticism from journalists and fans. Players like Fabio Fognini are heavily criticised when they attempt something similar, but Nadal gets away largely scot-free.

Although Nadal’s actions seem largely unfair, it’s hard to say exactly what tennis can do about Nadal’s MTOs. What Nadal does is more unsportsmanlike than illegal, so umpires can’t put a stop to it, (unlike Nadal’s time wasting, which they are well within their right to punish). It’s easy to say players need to learn to expect MTOs when leading Nadal and deal with them better, but that has to be easier to say than do. It is therefore up to players and journalists to let Nadal know his actions are unacceptable. Much like del Potro, certain bloggers, and some brave writers have heaped scorn upon his abuse of the rules. Perhaps with further criticism, Nadal will put a stop to what some people have gone as far to call cheating. It seems at least part of the tennis community is starting to see through the world number one.

http://anygivensurface.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/unfair-advantage-nadal-and-the-mto/

Are you saying the writer has street cred?
 

bullfan

Legend
Nadal got what 4 or 5 time violations in Montreal and here again 2 time violations in Cincy? but i'm sure it's all because the umpires hate Nadal because of his positive H2H against Fed. :lol:

Wrong, Nadal gets the violations mostly on his serve, when he's break down. Nadal normally takes more time when he's break down on his serve.
 
E

Ecoplex

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So why is his OCD ritual longer only on break points and other important stages of the match when he is losing?



How difficult is it to learn to serve faster so you can take time on break points and still be within the allotted time? Fact is he is more than capable of controlling but chooses not to because he knows it disrupts his opponents rhythm.

Because it is not an OCD ritual. It is a calculated ritual employed by students of Federer's game.
BTQ, did you notice how Nadal refused a towel when the momentum begin to shift away from Delpo during the IW final? It was almost comical to see Nadal trying play at a Fed-like pace. :oops:
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Never said he's a bad player. I agree he is one of the greats but he's not an angel like Nadal fans make him out to be
Neither is Federer, but anything said about him is considered bashing. So, it leads one to believe that there is an ulterior motive here, one not very thinly disguised. Mustard described the situation perfectly. The defending of Nadal is to combat ridiculous allegations of cheating, PED abuse, crippled, wheelchair tennis, moonballing, topspin monkey, etc. that gets posted on this board relentlessly.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
I was on these forums at the time of the Nadal vs. del Potro match at 2011 Wimbledon, and the boards were swamped by anti-Nadal threads when he dared to take a MTO. MTOs are perfectly within the rules. Of course, when del Potro later took a MTO himself, there was either a deathly silence or nauseating hypocrisy. When Nadal won the match, it was extremely satisfying.

Ah, I was here too. I remember it well. You described the reaction beautifully.
 

Magnus

Legend
Never said he's a bad player. I agree he is one of the greats but he's not an angel like Nadal fans make him out to be
Neither is Federer, but anything said about him is considered bashing. So, it leads one to believe that there is an ulterior motive here, one not very thinly disguised. Mustard described the situation perfectly. The defending of Nadal is to combat ridiculous allegations of cheating, PED abuse, crippled, wheelchair tennis, moonballing, topspin monkey, etc. that gets posted on this board relentlessly.

Nadal cheating is not an opinion, its a fact. He even admitted it himself.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
If you **** in public (sorry about the language) and after that someone else do it does that change the fact that you **** in public ?

No, but it seems to me one group is ******** in public when they bring up false allegations without a shred of evidence in an attempt to malign another player.
 

Clarky21

Banned
If you **** in public (sorry about the language) and after that someone else do it does that change the fact that you **** in public ?

The problem with this vulgar analogy is if Fed did it, the Fed fanatics here would say nothing, and probably even relish in it. But if Nadal did it, he's a "Spanish street rat", and "gypsy", a "topspin monkey", a "cheater", "dirty", etc... The hypocrisy about this stuff from the Fed antics here is staggering.
 

KillerServe

Banned
The problem with this vulgar analogy is if Fed did it, the Fed fanatics here would say nothing, and probably even relish in it. But if Nadal did it, he's a "Spanish street rat", and "gypsy", a "topspin monkey", a "cheater", "dirty", etc... The hypocrisy about this stuff from the Fed antics here is staggering.

The problem is you Nadal groupies do relish in it.
 

Clarky21

Banned
The problem is you Nadal groupies do relish in it.

Fed fanatics would probably scoop it up, take it home, and put it on their mantel as decoration. There are no more hero worshiping, obsessed fans than Fed fans. Check out Ruan's Fed blog if you don't believe me, and don't forget Fed's own forum on his website as well.
 
Fed fanatics would probably scoop it up, take it home, and put it on their mantel as decoration. There are no more hero worshiping, obsessed fans than Fed fans. Check out Ruan's Fed blog if you don't believe me, and don't forget Fed's own forum on his website as well.

What they don't like to talk about is that Federer purposely threw a match was fined for it and admitted.

If you ask me he threw the cincinatti match as well. At 40-30
He didnt challenge because he just wanted to get home to the wife and family .
 

Clarky21

Banned
What they don't like to talk about is that Federer purposely threw a match was fined for it and admitted.

If you ask me he threw the cincinatti match as well. At 40-30
He didnt challenge because he just wanted to get home to the wife and family .

What? Is this true?
 
What? Is this true?

Federer Fined For Violating “Best Effort” Rule




Yes. Roger Federer was fined for violating the “Best Effort” rule…..back in 1998. The six-time Wimbledon champion was fined for breaking this rule. In the book, THE ROGER FEDERER STORY, QUEST FOR PERFECTION (www.rogerfedererbook.com) the author, Rene Stauffer documents when Federer was hit with a fine for violating the rule in the Kublis, Switzerland satellite event in 1998. The book excerpt is below.
After appearances in big events in Toulouse and Basel, Federer next competed on the much lower level Swiss satellite circuit—and felt as if he were in a bad movie. He just played before 9,000 spectators against Agassi, one of the all-time greats, in front of a major television audience with all the newspapers writing articles about him. Meanwhile, he just signed with the world’s largest sports agency, International Management Group, and was be–ing supplied, like Pete Sampras, by brands such as Nike and Wilson. But now he suddenly found himself in the eastern Swiss town of Küblis, in a gloomy tennis stadium in a valley wedged in the Bündner Mountains. There were no spectators, no line judges and no ball boys. He was not facing Andre Agassi, but Armando Brunold, the No. 11 player in Switzerland, whom Federer by now outclassed as the No. 6 player in the country.

The first-round match at the circuit’s first tournament proved to be a cul–ture shock for Federer and he reacted apathetically. His listlessness didn’t escape tournament referee Claudio Grether. “He simply stood unmotivated and non-chalantly on the court and double-faulted twice each game,” Grether explained. After Federer lost to Brunold 7-6, 6-2, Grether imposed a $100 fine against Federer because he violated the “best effort” rule stipulating that professional players must put forth their best efforts in every competition. “I could have disqualified him as well but then he would no longer have been able to compete in the rest of the circuit,” Grether said. Federer silently re–ceived the verdict. With prize money earnings of only $87, Federer left Küblis with a $13.00 deficit. It would be the only professional tournament he played where he actually lost money.

But Federer learned his lesson. “The fine was justified,” he admitted and he reacted in a way that showed his class. A week later, he won the second tournament on the circuit and went on to win the circuit’s overall points title. His effort paid off and despite his initial setback, he moved passed 100 opponents in the world rankings, landing at No. 303. Not bad for somebody who just turned 17
 

Omega_7000

Legend
Federer Fined For Violating “Best Effort” Rule




Yes. Roger Federer was fined for violating the “Best Effort” rule…..back in 1998. The six-time Wimbledon champion was fined for breaking this rule. In the book, THE ROGER FEDERER STORY, QUEST FOR PERFECTION (www.rogerfedererbook.com) the author, Rene Stauffer documents when Federer was hit with a fine for violating the rule in the Kublis, Switzerland satellite event in 1998. The book excerpt is below.
After appearances in big events in Toulouse and Basel, Federer next competed on the much lower level Swiss satellite circuit—and felt as if he were in a bad movie. He just played before 9,000 spectators against Agassi, one of the all-time greats, in front of a major television audience with all the newspapers writing articles about him. Meanwhile, he just signed with the world’s largest sports agency, International Management Group, and was be–ing supplied, like Pete Sampras, by brands such as Nike and Wilson. But now he suddenly found himself in the eastern Swiss town of Küblis, in a gloomy tennis stadium in a valley wedged in the Bündner Mountains. There were no spectators, no line judges and no ball boys. He was not facing Andre Agassi, but Armando Brunold, the No. 11 player in Switzerland, whom Federer by now outclassed as the No. 6 player in the country.

The first-round match at the circuit’s first tournament proved to be a cul–ture shock for Federer and he reacted apathetically. His listlessness didn’t escape tournament referee Claudio Grether. “He simply stood unmotivated and non-chalantly on the court and double-faulted twice each game,” Grether explained. After Federer lost to Brunold 7-6, 6-2, Grether imposed a $100 fine against Federer because he violated the “best effort” rule stipulating that professional players must put forth their best efforts in every competition. “I could have disqualified him as well but then he would no longer have been able to compete in the rest of the circuit,” Grether said. Federer silently re–ceived the verdict. With prize money earnings of only $87, Federer left Küblis with a $13.00 deficit. It would be the only professional tournament he played where he actually lost money.

But Federer learned his lesson. “The fine was justified,” he admitted and he reacted in a way that showed his class. A week later, he won the second tournament on the circuit and went on to win the circuit’s overall points title. His effort paid off and despite his initial setback, he moved passed 100 opponents in the world rankings, landing at No. 303. Not bad for somebody who just turned 17

How many nights did you have to spend on the internet to find this? :lol: Yeah let's research and see how many times Fed tanked a match when he was 10 years old now. :oops:

Desperate much? Just admit it. Your idol is a not a good sportsman on-court. He engages in time wasting tactics (how many time violations did he receive this year already? 10? 20?) & illegal coaching...Following this trend, i'm sure that some of his timely "medical timeouts" are also fake just like his fake interviews.
 
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Ah, I was here too. I remember it well. You described the reaction beautifully.

It wasn't the same, Del Potro had a really nasty fall whereas Nadal didn't have anything. He pretended having his foot broken and it took that timeout when Del Potro was serving deuce or had bp in 5-6 in the first set.
 
“People want to see long matches, competitive rallies and amazing shots. For me to play in a high level for four hours, I need more than 25 seconds,” said the Spaniard, famous for taking long between serves. ”I don’t think players are happy with the new rule. The umpire will have to decide when it’s up to follow it or not. Because if it’s something mathematical, it will harm the fans.”


thats what Nadal said about the new 25 seconds rule.

He admits breaking that rule to get an advantage.
 

fednad

Hall of Fame
What they don't like to talk about is that Federer purposely threw a match was fined for it and admitted.

If you ask me he threw the cincinatti match as well. At 40-30
He didnt challenge because he just wanted to get home to the wife and family .

Why did you not start "Thank You Fed" thread then ?
One more thread from you would not have done any harm to the weather condition of this forum.
 
“People want to see long matches, competitive rallies and amazing shots. For me to play in a high level for four hours, I need more than 25 seconds,” said the Spaniard, famous for taking long between serves. ”I don’t think players are happy with the new rule. The umpire will have to decide when it’s up to follow it or not. Because if it’s something mathematical, it will harm the fans.”


thats what Nadal said about the new 25 seconds rule.

He admits breaking that rule to get an advantage.

Where does he admit "breaking the rule to get an advantage"

It's a rule that has historically not been enforced. It's sort of like traveling at 56 mph when you are supposed to do 55 mph .

This is obvious nitpicking by sore losers.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
Where does he admit "breaking the rule to get an advantage"

It's a rule that has historically not been enforced. It's sort of like traveling at 56 mph when you are supposed to do 55 mph .

This is obvious nitpicking by sore losers.

"It was in the last game, when I was serving for the match. ... I didn't know where to serve. Down the center, to the middle or to try the classic play of the wide serve and then try to hit the forehand. They told me to serve wide and that's where I served.", said Nadal.

"The rules are the rules," he said at Wimbledon, when Toni Nadal, his uncle and coach, was fined $2,000 for coaching Rafa in a match.
 

smash hit

Professional
It wasn't the same, Del Potro had a really nasty fall whereas Nadal didn't have anything. He pretended having his foot broken and it took that timeout when Del Potro was serving deuce or had bp in 5-6 in the first set.

How do you know he didn't have anything? He has a history of having a fractured foot, which almost finished his career right at the start. His foot is prone to fracture because of a congenital bone deformity. He knew how it felt before and this time it felt the same.

It was Nadal who had a set point for the first set. He had just got a break point when he had to pull up suddenly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lMpkxWxrD8 at around 7.45
 

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Federer Fined For Violating “Best Effort” Rule
Yes. Roger Federer was fined for violating the “Best Effort” rule…..back in 1998. The six-time Wimbledon champion was fined for breaking this rule. In the book, THE ROGER FEDERER STORY, QUEST FOR PERFECTION (www.rogerfedererbook.com) the author, Rene Stauffer documents when Federer was hit with a fine for violating the rule in the Kublis, Switzerland satellite event in 1998.

It happened again in 2002. This time in Dubai.

Federer still smarts over '02 Dubai criticism
Sunday, March 04, 2012 /by Matt Cronin

Roger Federer still seems perturbed that his commitment to the tournament in Dubai was questioned back in 2002, when Rainer Schuettler beat him, 6-3, 6-1.
"I was criticized for not giving the best effort when I lost to Schuettler. That was tough for me because I was in the second round in singles and doubles. So for people to question me was not very nice. I know the last two games weren't beautiful, but, you know, it's a quick court and quickly can look in a way that you're not interested. "
 

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It happened again in 2002. This time in Dubai.

Federer still smarts over '02 Dubai criticism
Sunday, March 04, 2012 /by Matt Cronin

Roger Federer still seems perturbed that his commitment to the tournament in Dubai was questioned back in 2002, when Rainer Schuettler beat him, 6-3, 6-1.
"I was criticized for not giving the best effort when I lost to Schuettler. That was tough for me because I was in the second round in singles and doubles. So for people to question me was not very nice. I know the last two games weren't beautiful, but, you know, it's a quick court and quickly can look in a way that you're not interested. "

Wow you guys are desperate. Please scrounge some more and come up something better if you want to smear Federer.

When it comes to sportsmanship on court, it's not even a contest. They are in different leagues all together.
 

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"It was in the last game, when I was serving for the match. ... I didn't know where to serve. Down the center, to the middle or to try the classic play of the wide serve and then try to hit the forehand. They told me to serve wide and that's where I served.", said Nadal.

"The rules are the rules," he said at Wimbledon, when Toni Nadal, his uncle and coach, was fined $2,000 for coaching Rafa in a match.

This is what Petzschner thought about the supposed coaching at Wimbledon.
QUOTE:-
Q. You were complaining to the referee about the coaching by Rafael with...
PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I didn't complain.

Q. No?
PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No.

Q. Did you hear it?
PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I just heard words, but it could have been "vamos" or whatever. It's anyway tough to hear if you're down on the court, because the whole arena is pretty loud.
So I don't know why he gave the warning for or if it was coaching or not. I have absolutely in idea. I can just tell if you are down there, you almost understand nothing from up there, even if they are screaming at you.
I think there was no coaching involved. That's what I think.
 
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This is what Petzschner thought about the supposed coaching at Wimbledon.
QUOTE:-
Q. You were complaining to the referee about the coaching by Rafael with...
PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I didn't complain.

Q. No?
PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No.

Q. Did you hear it?
PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I just heard words, but it could have been "vamos" or whatever. It's anyway tough to hear if you're down on the court, because the whole arena is pretty loud.
So I don't know why he gave the warning for or if it was coaching or not. I have absolutely in idea. I can just tell if you are down there, you almost understand nothing from up there, even if they are screaming at you.
I think there was no coaching involved. That's what I think.

So Nadal is lying about being coached on court?? :? :? Obviously Petzschner is just trying to be politically correct here. A German player isn't going to understand what uncle Toni is saying anyway. :lol:
 

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Wow you guys are desperate. Please scrounge some more and come up something better if you want to smear Federer.

When it comes to sportsmanship on court, it's not even a contest. They are in different leagues all together.

I don't have to scrounge around. I could find instances of Federer calling balls out, when they were in and then pointing to the wrong marks and then further compounding it be insulting the umpire and the linesman, Didn't he recently try it on with his 'friend' Stan. He served, Stan returned and Federer hit a volley into the net. He then had the temerity to challenge his own serve and argued with the umpire when his request was refused. I thought challenges were supposed to be made in a timely manner, or does Federer suppose that the rules are different for him. I know it hurts Federer fans to read criticism, but he isn't beyond it.
 
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