Nadal And The MTO, Illegal Coaching, Time Wasting

Omega_7000 said:
So Nadal is lying about being coached on court??
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I believe Nadal said that Toni was shouting encouragement, nothing more. He never said that he was being coached.

QUOTE:- A German player isn't going to understand what uncle Toni is saying anyway.
Anymore than a French speaking umpire.
 
smash hit said:
I don't have to scrounge around. I could find instances of Federer calling balls out, when they were in and then pointing to the wrong marks and then further compounding it be insulting the umpire and the linesman, Didn't he recently try it on with his 'friend' Stan. He served, Stan returned and Federer hit a volley into the net. He then had the temerity to challenge his own serve and argued with the umpire when his request was refused. I thought challenges were supposed to be made in a timely manner, or does Federer suppose that the rules are different for him. I know it hurts Federer fans to read criticism, but he isn't beyond it.
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Senseless drivel. It 's obvious you're grasping at straws here.

You're telling all the garbage examples you've pointed to are the same as,
- Intentional time wasting on break/important points &
- Illegal coaching (this has been admitted).
 
smash hit said:
I believe Nadal said that Toni was shouting encouragement, nothing more. He never said that he was being coached.

QUOTE:- A German player isn't going to understand what uncle Toni is saying anyway.
Anymore than a French speaking umpire.
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Dude give up. You're digging yourself deeper and deeper...This is coming straight from your idols mouth.

"It was in the last game, when I was serving for the match. ... I didn't know where to serve. Down the center, to the middle or to try the classic play of the wide serve and then try to hit the forehand. They told me to serve wide and that's where I served."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/30/its-time-to-stop-rafael-nadals-cheating/

Go argue against Nadal himself. Tell him you're wrong Rafa you were not cheating. Toni was just shouting for encouragement. :lol:
 
Omega_7000 said:
Big difference. The umpire is focused on uncle Toni...His opponent is focussed on the game.
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It doesn't matter how focused the umpire was, if he has no understanding of the language spoken by Nadal and his coach and I don't think that Cédric Mourier speaks or even understands Mallorquin.
 
smash hit said:
It doesn't matter how focused the umpire was, if he has no understanding of the language spoken by Nadal and his coach and I don't think that Cédric Mourier speaks or even understands Mallorquin.
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You obviously know more than the umpire in the match who's job it is to stop players from cheating... :roll:
 
Omega_7000 said:
Senseless drivel. It 's obvious you're grasping at straws here.
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A young couple moved into a new neighbourhood. The next morning while they were eating breakfast, the young woman saw her neighbour hanging the wash outside.

“That laundry is not very clean,” she said. “She doesn’t know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.”

Her husband looked on, but remained silent.

Every time her neighbour would hang her wash to dry, the young woman would make the same comments.

About a month later, the woman was surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and said to her husband: “Look, she has learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this.”

The husband replied, “I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.”

And so it is with life…What we see when watching others, depends on the window through which we look.When you never fail to spot something wrong with other people, stop and check yourself…it is very likely that you have a similar, perhaps even worse problem,
 
smash hit said:
A young couple moved into a new neighbourhood. The next morning while they were eating breakfast, the young woman saw her neighbour hanging the wash outside.

“That laundry is not very clean,” she said. “She doesn’t know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.”

Her husband looked on, but remained silent.

Every time her neighbour would hang her wash to dry, the young woman would make the same comments.

About a month later, the woman was surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and said to her husband: “Look, she has learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this.”

The husband replied, “I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.”

And so it is with life…What we see when watching others, depends on the window through which we look.When you never fail to spot something wrong with other people, stop and check yourself…it is very likely that you have a similar, perhaps even worse problem,
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This is coming from your hero's mouth,

"It was in the last game, when I was serving for the match. ... I didn't know where to serve. Down the center, to the middle or to try the classic play of the wide serve and then try to hit the forehand. They told me to serve wide and that's where I served."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/30/its-time-to-stop-rafael-nadals-cheating/

Don't believe him...Here's another one from your hero's coach,

Homeboy Hotel said:
Toni Nadal....

"Hablo con Rafa durante los partidos.Ya sé q no está muy permitido pero considero mi edad,tampoco ***** que esconderme""

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"I talk to Rafa during matches. I know that its not allowed but I think that at my age I have nothing to hide'
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smash hit said:
A young couple moved into a new neighbourhood. The next morning while they were eating breakfast, the young woman saw her neighbour hanging the wash outside.

“That laundry is not very clean,” she said. “She doesn’t know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.”

Her husband looked on, but remained silent.

Every time her neighbour would hang her wash to dry, the young woman would make the same comments.

About a month later, the woman was surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and said to her husband: “Look, she has learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this.”

The husband replied, “I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.”

And so it is with life…What we see when watching others, depends on the window through which we look.When you never fail to spot something wrong with other people, stop and check yourself…it is very likely that you have a similar, perhaps even worse problem,
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Wonderful story. You have to watch out for people who constantly look to attack others.
 
smash hit said:
A young couple moved into a new neighbourhood. The next morning while they were eating breakfast, the young woman saw her neighbour hanging the wash outside.

“That laundry is not very clean,” she said. “She doesn’t know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.”

Her husband looked on, but remained silent.

Every time her neighbour would hang her wash to dry, the young woman would make the same comments.

About a month later, the woman was surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and said to her husband: “Look, she has learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this.”

The husband replied, “I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.”

And so it is with life…What we see when watching others, depends on the window through which we look.When you never fail to spot something wrong with other people, stop and check yourself…it is very likely that you have a similar, perhaps even worse problem,
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Good post. Great analogy:

Everyone keeps thinking it was Fed's backhand that sux; Rafa's
cheating is like the grime on the window, no Nadal fans can see it.

The few who can will just rationalize it.
 
TheTruth said:
Wonderful story. You have to watch out for people who constantly look to attack others.
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How is it attacking when both Nadal and uncle Toni have admitted to engaging in illegal coaching??? :-? :-?


"It was in the last game, when I was serving for the match. ... I didn't know where to serve. Down the center, to the middle or to try the classic play of the wide serve and then try to hit the forehand. They told me to serve wide and that's where I served."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/30/its-time-to-stop-rafael-nadals-cheating/

Homeboy Hotel said:
Toni Nadal....

"Hablo con Rafa durante los partidos.Ya sé q no está muy permitido pero considero mi edad,tampoco ***** que esconderme""

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"I talk to Rafa during matches. I know that its not allowed but I think that at my age I have nothing to hide'
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Omega_7000 said:
How is it attacking when both Nadal and uncle Toni have admitted to engaging in illegal coaching??? :-? :-?


"It was in the last game, when I was serving for the match. ... I didn't know where to serve. Down the center, to the middle or to try the classic play of the wide serve and then try to hit the forehand. They told me to serve wide and that's where I served."

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/30/its-time-to-stop-rafael-nadals-cheating/
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Who said you were attacking anyone? I'm talking about the quote in general. It's true, like misery loves company and hurt people, hurt people.

I like quotes. It had nothing to do with you.

This is a prime example of how often people misunderstand and misinterpret communications. Had you asked, rather than assumed you would know I'm not even following your argument or responding. That issue is settled for me.
 
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Andy Murray hopes that officials will call time on slow play after the Scot was edged out of a semifinal place at this weekend's World Tour Finals on a statistical quirk.

The world No. 4 had to watch as Roger Federer lost in three sets in a late-night match to Juan Martin Del Potro, with the Swiss and the Argentine going through to the last four on the tennis equivalent of goal difference - winning game percentage.

But Murray has other issues with the new-look event, moved from Shanghai after a successful four-year run in Asia.

He'd like umpires to crack down on time-wasting, which he feels he may have experienced in his last group match, a win over Spain's Fernando Verdasco. He said that his opponent was taking his sweet time to return after changeovers.

"For me, if it's 25 seconds that you get between the points, I think some of the tournaments it's 20 seconds, and if you're over a couple of times, there has to be a warning," he said.

"When the umpire calls time, you should be out of your chair. That's it. That's the reason why they have those time limits.

"If the umpire calls time and your opponent is allowed to sit there for an extra 15 seconds, then I just don't think you should be allowed to do that."

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20091127/Murray_wants_umpires_to_crack_down_on_go-slow_players
 
Omega_7000 said:
Dodgy MTOs called for at crucial times in matches are nothing new for Nadal. He upset Phillip Petzschner last year [2010] at Wimbledon; the German lost focus and his two set to one lead when Nadal called for a trainer before the Petzschner serve...His medical time out’s are frequent and often seemingly unnecessary. Yet Nadal seems largely immune to criticism from journalists and fans.
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Rafa is critisized by pro-Federer journos and Fedfans! It's strange that Rafa's enemies don't notice what Rafa's opponents are doing!
Petzschner took a Medical Time Out (MTO) at Wimbledon 2010 after he lost the fourth set 2-6 to Rafa.
At Wimbledon 2010, R. Söderling took a MTO before Rafa was serving for the 4th set (at 5-4 to Rafa). Söderling just sat on his chair, took his shoe off and waited for near 10 minutes for a trainer. After that, he took a MTO (3 minutes) to have his foot retaped.
 
octobrina10 said:
Rafa is critisized by pro-Federer journos and Fedfans! It's strange that Rafa's enemies don't notice what Rafa's opponents are doing!
Petzschner took a Medical Time Out (MTO) at Wimbledon 2010 after he lost the fourth set 2-6 to Rafa.
At Wimbledon 2010, R. Söderling took a MTO before Rafa was serving for the 4th set (at 5-4 to Rafa). Söderling just sat on his chair, took his shoe off and waited for near 10 minutes for a trainer. After that, he took a MTO (3 minutes) to have his foot retaped.
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Well there, genius, isn't it obvious that Petzschner tried to pull a Nadal after Nadal pulled a Nadal on him? Its pretty obvious many players try to do that these days, as they know Rafita and his stunts. They know Nadal wastes time sitting on his butt way after the umpire calles time, they know Nadal will take as long as he wants between points, they know Nadal will fake an injury when he's behind...heck, even my dog can tell Nadal's a cheater. It really doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
 
Yeah wasting time and getting illegal coaching in almost every big match is ok......................but mis-judging and arguing with the umpire about a couple of line calls, and taking a couple of breaks to pee in a career spanning 1100+ matches?.......Nooooooooooooooooooooo :roll: Damn hypocrites!

Every player has arguments about bad line calls with the umpire (including great champions from past including McEnroe, Sampras etc...How many all-time greats have consistently cheated by wasting time on important points and getting illegal coaching?
 
They should just put the coaches in a bunker similar to the commentators one to stop s all players from receiving on court coaching.
 
Omega_7000 said:
Yeah wasting time and getting illegal coaching in almost every big match is ok......................but mis-judging and arguing with the umpire about a couple of line calls, and taking a couple of breaks to pee in a career spanning 1100+ matches?.......Nooooooooooooooooooooo :roll: Damn hypocrites!

Every player has arguments about bad line calls with the umpire (including great champions from past including McEnroe, Sampras etc...How many all-time greats have consistently cheated by wasting time on important points and getting illegal coaching?
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Not to mention how his one crying incident in 2010 is still raked up as though it happens everyday. Or his mono from 2008 ! It's like grasping at straws :)
 
octobrina10 said:
It happens that Fedfans pretend to like Rafa. Fed argues with the umpire, not Rafa! The video is an evidence of unfair play.
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First off, it's very possible even for players to make the wrong call - i.e. it's possible that Federer clearly believe the Nadal ball was out - why else stop play?
As for the Delpovideo, we don't see how long Delpo takes before the challenge. If he takes too long, it's clearly a problem and something to argue about.
And yes, Federer may have taken it too far in that very match, but it's not as if Nadal has never argued.

What he has done though is to
a) consistently through every match of his career take too long time to serve
b) receive illegal coaching
c) according to some of his peers, use the MTO as a tactical weapon
d) bump into an opponent to disrupt his rhythm
e) etc. etc.

Compared to Federer's possible offenses, Nadal's track record in this department is off the charts.
Hence the reason why their peers give Federer the Sportsmanship award more or less every single year, whereas Nadal has only received it one year.
 
octobrina10 said:
It happens that Fedfans pretend to like Rafa. Fed argues with the umpire, not Rafa! The video is an evidence of unfair play.
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Rafael Nadal's Injury Timeouts-Strategy or Real?

Rafael Nadal took a contentious time out today for back injury at Australian Open Finals against Stan Wawarinka, only to be booed by the crowd as soon as he entered the arena. Was it a time delaying tactic or a genuine time out?

There has been a lot of talk going on about Rafael Nadal’s contentious time delaying tactics that are being employed by him during the matches to ruffle his opponents
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Let’s look back at a few timeouts taken by Nadal during important matches:


1) Finals at Monte-Carlo, 2008- Federer was leading 5-2 in the first set and Nadal calls for a timeout. When treatment was over, Nadal played brilliantly to defeat Federer. (This is of importance as Fed then lost French Open and then Wimbledon in the epic match to Nadal)

2) Finals at Hamburg, 2008: A time break, which lasted for 6 minutes, was called by Nadal for thigh massage, just before Federer was going to serve for the set. Obvious result: Federer lost his own serve and eventually the match.

3) Wimbledon 2008: It is well known to the world about the time taken by Nadal/Djokovic between serves. In the epic final Nadal, on an average, took around 30 seconds (maximum went to around 50 seconds) between his serves against Federer who took on an average 20 seconds.(Rule was for 25 seconds)

4) Wimbledon 2010: Against Philipp Petzschner, he called his trainer numerous times on the court. Nadal won, 6-4, 4-6, 6-7 (5), 6-2, 6-3. Petzschner said he did not notice a difference in Nadal’s movements before and after the timeouts.

5) Wimbledon 2011: Nadal calls for a timeout at 6-6 in the first set and goes on to win the match against Del Potro.


After the match today, it was told that he felt back problems during the warm up before the match. Was this statement a strategy to calm the outside world down or was it actually an injury; only Nadal can tell.

http://healthnsports4u.blogspot.com/2011/06/rafael-nadals-injury-timeouts-strategy.html
 
Has the author written a follow up article yet? This seriously needs to stop. Everyone should read the article in the OP.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
How come the thread with the article I posted was deleted? Can I post it in this thread?
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This one?

I was at Melbourne Park for the men's final on Sunday and, to all those sanctimonious types who've wailed about the crowd's heckling of Rafael Nadal, I must say I felt exactly the same way as the boo-boys.

I'd been mesmerised by Stan Wawrinka's play over the first set and a bit. It was tennis of the most sublime quality - backhand winners peeled off down the line, crunching off forehand winners - that rendered Nadal's power game almost impotent.

The crowd had turned up hoping for some sort of contest - anything but the straight-sets bore-athon which had been predicted by just about every expert - and they were loving the way Wawrinka was, in his first Grand Slam final, totally dismantling the world No.1 and raging favourite.

Here was a sporting moment that every underdog-loving Australian could revel in: a no-hoper - tennis' Buster Douglas - playing the match of his life to give the world champ not just a bloody nose but a standing count from the ref.

I was actually, by some ticketing quirk, sitting in Row A, right in the corner of the court, above the Chinese characters that apparently denote the ANZ Bank. Close enough to feel the hoardings reverberate every time a Wawrinka serve crashed into the signage just below me; close enough to see the despair on Nadal's face as his opponent bullied and bossed him around the court in a way that few, if any, players have done before.

When Nadal came back on to the court after his medical time out, at 1-2 in the second set, he walked towards the ball boy just below me to collect a handful of balls, his brow furrowed even more deeply than usual as boos echoed around the stadium. He couldn't seem to comprehend the crowd reaction: they're booing me?

Four nights earlier, I'd seen the usually imperturbable Roger Federer feel aggrieved enough at Nadal's antics to complain to chair umpire Jake Garner about the Spaniard's grunting and time-wasting.

Channel Seven flashed up a stat at one stage of that match, indicating Nadal was taking an average of 28 seconds betweeen points on his service, Federer 20 seconds, the maximum time permissible under ATP rules. So why was Nadal allowed eight seconds longer than everyone else? And why isn't he more regularly called out on that?

Federer wanted to know as much, calling on weak offials to clamp down on the Spaniard's serial gamesmanship.

He later said Nadal had been given just two time violations in the 33 times they'd met, covering 80 hours or more of tennis. Two measly violations.

Which is why I felt Eva Asderaki, the Greek chair umpire during Nadal's round-four match against Kei Nishikori, deserved some sort of Australia Day medal. There was Nadal serving, with the third set locked at 4-4 and deuce, and taking his usual interminable time between points when Ms Asderaki piped up: ''Time violation, Mr Nadal'', meaning the gobsmacked world No.1 had to forfeit his first serve.

For me, an absolutely priceless moment that should feature in any tournament highlights package.

(Just to illustrate how Team Nadal doesn't get it, uncle Toni later told Spanish radio it would be better if umpires were drawn from a pool of former players who knew what it was like to be out on court in a pressure situation. "We had a problem with a girl (Asderaki)," uncle Toni gallantly explained to the interviewer.)

Nadal's flirtation with gamesmanship - bolder commentators (of the sort you don't tend to find in the Seven commentary booth) might go so far as to call it cheating - has been going on for years.

Here's the start of a piece in the New York magazine from July 2011 about the very same subject:

''Rafael Nadal is in acute distress. He's just lost the game, he's facing a momentum-defining tiebreaker, and his opponent has his second wind. Rafa's just hit yet another impossible shot from an impossible angle, and one foot seems to have borne all the acrobatic brunt. He's in deep crouch, trying to gauge the extent and implications of the pain. Then he heads to his chair and calls for the trainer; the tiebreaker will have to wait; his opponent, oozing adrenaline, will have to cool his heels. After a tense interlude during which his opponent, visibly upset, remonstrates with the umpire to restart, Nadal returns, takes the tiebreaker, and romps. The press waits with bated breath to hear the results of the MRI — will he be able to carry on and defend his title? The results show nothing of any concern, and Nadal smashes his next opponent in four sets, fresh as a daisy...''

That account of Nadal seeking medical attention mid-match took place during his fourth-round US Open victory over Juan Martin del Potro. After days of speculation about the Spaniard's injury, he dismissed Mardy Fish in the next round, telling reporters that he was using a heavy anesthetic to numb the pain in his foot.

Yet that sequence of events could have been from any number of Nadal matches in the past five years. In 2010 at Wimbledon, in the third round against Germany's Philipp Petzschner, Nadal was trailing by two sets to one. Petzschner, as anyone who was watching the game could see, was in the zone and serving bombs that Nadal was simply not able to get a racquet on.

Nadal called for the trainer several times on the way to a hard-fought five-set victory yet never appeared injured, a tactic his opponent characterized after the match as "pretty clever." He did the same thing to disrupt Federer's rhythm during the first set of the 2011 French Open final. In each instance the timing was impeccable, and unsportsmanlike.

So that's was the backdrop to Nadal's injury time out against Wawrinka on Sunday night. That was the reason for the crowd's booing. That was why Wawrinka went ballistic in his courtside seat, berating the chair umpire and gesticulating to uncle Toni and Team Nadal sitting across from him in the stands.

Those who follow the sport for longer than two weeks a year - the ones being derided by Angela Pippos in the New Daily, Cameron Tomarchio in the Herald Sun and Will Brodie in Fairfax as ignorant and boorish - understood exactly what was happening.

That this was Nadal's tried-and-tested fallback position, his modus operandi, when his opponent has all the momentum and he needs to do something to stall proceedings and win himself back some breathing time.

The Swiss player clearly felt he was being duped as well, complaining to chair umpire Carlos Ramos that he deserved an explanation about the nature of Nadal's injury.

The crowd picked up on Wawrinka's annoyance and started slow hand-clapping the Spaniard who was still doing whatever he was doing underneath the Rod Laver stands.

And then when Nadal finally appeared, well that's when they gave it to him with both barrels.

Critics have labelled the booing of Nadal as un-Australian. Yet this concept of what constitutes 'Australian' and 'un-Australian' behaviour - nebulous at the best of times - is now so blurred as to be rendered utterly meaningless.

This country's cricket fans booed England's Stuart Broad for two whole months this summer for doing what every Australian Test cricketer (with one notable exception) has been doing since Ian Chappell had sideburns: not walking after edging a catch. So is that Australian or un-Australian behaviour?

What Australians don't like (if I can indulge in a little racial stereotyping here myself) is shysters and conmen.

And they felt on Sunday night that they - and Wawrinka - were being conned.

The Swiss blew him off the court in the first set and then broke him to love in the opening game of the second set (have a look at that on YouTube if you want to see a small slice of tennis perfection) and suddenly Rafa starts grimacing in pain and clutching at his back.

Well that's mighty convenient, isn't it?

Of course he was hobbled by the back complaint but cynics will wonder just how badly. Will he, for example, front up next week, as bright as a button, claiming the back problem was just a momentary spasm and everything is A-OK now? That he's taken a 'heavy aneasthetic to numb the pain'. We'll see.

Nadal is a wonderful champion and gracious winner, always heaping praise on his vanquished opponent. It's this descent into gamesmanship when he's losing, though, which is threatening to become a blot on his career.

http://www.backpagelead.com.au/index.php/tennis/12098-why-i-wanted-to-boo-nadal-too
 
WhiskeyEE said:
How come the thread with the article I posted was deleted? Can I post it in this thread?
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Start another thread. Don't ever give up. The Church of Fed is behind you in your fight against the rampaging Spanish bull and his legion of fans.

Fed bless your mind.
 
Other time wasting technique to get a breather

AO 2014 Final. Start of the 2nd Set. Rafa to serve.

Long rally. Stan ended it with a forehand inside out winner.

0-15.

Rafa needed a breather.

Before the next point was played, just before serve, Rafa decided to call the ball boy to clean some tiny bird droppings in front of him. So, good tactic here. He can have longer time to breathe longer.

I rewinded the recording. That same bird dropping that's just been cleaned, was already there just before the set started.

How come Rafa did not ask for the bird droppings to be cleaned before he started the 2nd set?

So, another dirty tactic here.

Anyway the tactic backfired and he lost his serving game without winning a single point. His mind was too busy thinking about the bird droppings instead of about that game.
 
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Rafa is probably going to win the FO this year, but I'd like to see all his opponents in that tournament - from round 1 to 7 - take at least one MTO in their match, and then later congratulate Rafa on his win but subtly add that "Rafa is a great champion and an incredible player, but it's too bad that I couldn't play my best tennis today because of some physical problems".
Just give the humble Bull some of his own medicine...
 
Omega_7000 said:
It’s hard to speak out against Rafael Nadal. Lynn Barber found out just how hard when she wrote about the world number one in a negative light. “Why did no one warn me that being rude about Rafa Nadal is like being rude about prophet Mohammad? Terrifying hate mail from his worshippers,” she posted on Twitter. And she’s right; post a negative comment about Nadal on Twitter and you’re bound to get many replies aggressively disagreeing with your point. Even Roger Federer isn’t this off-limits; fans have learnt to deal with accusations of arrogance and bad sportsmanship over time. Yet whilst Nadal may tick all the boxes when it comes to sportsmanship and humbleness off-court, his medical time outs (MTO) have raised suspicions. In particular, Nadal’s latest ill-timed MTO hasn’t gone unnoticed.

Having saved a set point when serving at 5-6 in the first set, Juan Martin del Potro looked focussed and ready to give his all in the tiebreak. That is until Nadal ran to his seat, swiftly accompanied by a trainer. Nine minutes later (three times the legal allowance) del Potro was angry, confused, and completely distracted. Despite taking a mini-break lead on two occasions, del Potro failed to stay focussed and lost the set to Nadal. Nadal’s foot, which supposedly hurt so much Nadal believed it was broken, was suddenly Ok. Nadal showed no further sign of injury and ran down del Potro’s best shots to win 7-6 3-6 7-6 6-4. By the end of the match, it was del Potro who looked worn-out and barely able to move. The usually reserved del Potro expressed his anger after the match, saying “He was running everywhere and running the same as always. I never thought he’d stop.”

Dodgy MTOs called for at crucial times in matches are nothing new for Nadal. He upset Phillip Petzschner last year at Wimbledon; the German lost focus and his two set to one lead when Nadal called for a trainer before the Petzschner serve. Nadal called for a trainer at 2-5 down against Federer with Federer serving during this year’s Roland Garros final and proceeded to win the set. This was nothing new for Federer, Nadal had done the same thing at Monte Carlo 2006 and Hamburg 2008 with the same result: Federer blowing a substantial lead. His medical time out’s are frequent and often seemingly unnecessary. Yet Nadal seems largely immune to criticism from journalists and fans. Players like Fabio Fognini are heavily criticised when they attempt something similar, but Nadal gets away largely scot-free.

Although Nadal’s actions seem largely unfair, it’s hard to say exactly what tennis can do about Nadal’s MTOs. What Nadal does is more unsportsmanlike than illegal, so umpires can’t put a stop to it, (unlike Nadal’s time wasting, which they are well within their right to punish). It’s easy to say players need to learn to expect MTOs when leading Nadal and deal with them better, but that has to be easier to say than do. It is therefore up to players and journalists to let Nadal know his actions are unacceptable. Much like del Potro, certain bloggers, and some brave writers have heaped scorn upon his abuse of the rules. Perhaps with further criticism, Nadal will put a stop to what some people have gone as far to call cheating. It seems at least part of the tennis community is starting to see through the world number one.

http://anygivensurface.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/unfair-advantage-nadal-and-the-mto/
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I admire him for wanting to win so badly. It's quite obvious that he knows the MTOs can disrupt his opponents' momentum when he's behind.
 
tennisgotomarket said:
I admire him for wanting to win so badly. It's quite obvious that he knows the MTOs can disrupt his opponents' momentum when he's behind.
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I admire your candidness. It is quite obvious without the MTOs, slowing down of the game and court side coaching Nadal's record would have been much worse.
 
Crisstti said:
Lol, is this the on going Fed fanatics whining thread?.

You're a pathetic bunch.
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How would you feel had 2005 Puerta denied Nadal from celebrating a match point at the FO final by calling MTO? He's not allow to fall to the ground, show any elation or any emotion. And for the post match speech from both players, rather than focus on Nadal's RG champion, but the main focus was about Puerta injury.


I'm sure Toni Nadal would have expressed his anger to the media because his nephew's 1st slam win was diminished.
 
TMF said:
How would you feel had 2005 Puerta denied Nadal from celebrating a match point at the FO final by calling MTO? He's not allow to fall to the ground, show any elation or any emotion. And for the post match speech from both players, rather than focus on Nadal's RG champion, but the main focus was about Puerta injury.


I'm sure Toni Nadal would have expressed his anger to the media because his nephew's 1st slam win was diminished.
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Diminished like Wimbledon 2008 was diminished because of Fed's mono and his complaints the light was fading?

Or like the AO 2009 was diminished because Fed was weeping like a little girl whose Barbie doll's head was torn off by her older brother, which caused Nadal to have to limit his celebration and have to console him?

LOL
 
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TMF said:
How would you feel had 2005 Puerta denied Nadal from celebrating a match point at the FO final by calling MTO? He's not allow to fall to the ground, show any elation or any emotion. And for the post match speech from both players, rather than focus on Nadal's RG champion, but the main focus was about Puerta injury.


I'm sure Toni Nadal would have expressed his anger to the media because his nephew's 1st slam win was diminished.
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What are you even talking about TMF?. Rafa ALLOWED Wawrinka to celebrate at match point by playing on in the first place.

How much a player celebrates or doesn't depends on several factors. For example, Murray barely celebrated after winning his first slam. Was it because Novak had called a MTO right before Andy served for it? (where's the outrage btw?). Rafa barely celebrated his 2008 RG title, didn't even fall to the ground.
Maybe Wawrinka didn't celebrate much because he felt bad about having been such a jerk with his little show during Rafa's MTO.

BTW, maybe we should start a thread called Federer and the racket breaking, taking digs at opponents, swearing at opponents and umps. I mean, the What you don't like about Nadal/Federer threads were deleted but Fed fanatics have this on going hate thread...
 
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