Nadal - ANOTHER RECORD - Only player to win a Masters 1000 at least 5 times on two different surfaces

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Two months ago, Nadal became the first and only male player in the history of tennis to win a Masters 1000 at least 5 times on two different surfaces. Nadal has won 11 Montecarlo titles, 8 Rome titles and 5 Canadian Open.

Amazing versatility on 2 surfaces from Nadal!

Djokovic only needs 1 extra Rome title to achieve this record.

Federer would need to win 3 more Madrid titles to achieve this record.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Two months ago, Nadal became the first and only male player in the history of tennis to win a Masters 1000 at least 5 times on two different surfaces. Nadal has won 11 Montecarlo titles, 8 Rome titles and 5 Canadian Open.

Amazing versatility on 2 surfaces from Nadal!

Djokovic only needs 1 extra Rome title to achieve this record.

Federer would need to win 3 more Madrid titles to achieve this record.
And if there was grass masters like there should be? Kind of highlights this sad discrepancy on the ATP tour eh?
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
And if there was grass masters like there should be? Kind of highlights this sad discrepancy on the ATP tour eh?
"If, If, If doesn't exist" -Rafael Nadal

That is like saying "If the ATP finals rotated surfaces and were played some years on indoor clay as it should be, how many ATP finals Nadal would have? It kind of highlights the discrepancy on the ATP tour eh?".
 
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oldmanfan

Legend
Two months ago, Nadal became the first and only male player in the history of tennis to win a Masters 1000 at least 5 times on two different surfaces. Nadal has won 11 Montecarlo titles, 8 Rome titles and 5 Canadian Open.

Amazing versatility on 2 surfaces from Nadal!

Djokovic only needs 1 extra Rome title to achieve this record.

Federer would need to win 3 more Madrid titles to achieve this record.

Good record. But... Fedr got shafted on this one :mad:.

Nadl fav surface = clay = 3 chances.
Djokr fav surface = hc = 6 chances.
Fedr fav surface = grass = 0 chances :eek:.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster

Amazing versatility on 2 surfaces from Nadal!


Federer would need to win 3 more Madrid titles to achieve this record!
Federer's won 3/4 slams 5+ times. Figure out what Nadal would have to do to achieve this and get back with us, since it's a vastly bigger deal than what anybody does at a Masters 1000 event.

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Sport

G.O.A.T.
Good record. But... Fedr got shafted on this one :mad:.

Nadl fav surface = clay = 3 chances.
Djokr fav surface = hc = 6 chances.
Fedr fav surface = grass = 0 chances :eek:.
You right are.

The same logic applies to the ATP finals.

Years played on indoor hard: every year.
Years played on indoor grass: never.
Years played on indoor clay: never.

So if we want surface's distribution in the tour, it should be applied everywhere, not only in Masters 1000. Otherwise, we would be displaying a double standard logic.

In an "ideal" world, a "perfect" distribution would be as follows:

3 Masters 1000 on clay, 3 Masters 1000 on grass and 3 Masters 1000 on hard. The ATP finals rotate each year: one year played on indoor hard, the next year on indoor grass, next year on indoor clay, and so on.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Last 15 years:

Rafa chances to win masters on favorite surface: 45.

Fed: 0.
Last 15 years:

Federer's chances to win the ATP finals in a surface which suits a lot his game: 15.

Nadal's chances to win the ATP finals in a surface which suits a lot his game: 0.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
You right are.

The same logic applies to the ATP finals.

Years played on indoor hard: every year.
Years played on indoor grass: never.
Years played on indoor clay: never.

So if we want surface's distribution in the tour, it should be applied everywhere, not only in Masters 1000. Otherwise, we would be displaying a double standard logic.

In an "ideal" world, a "perfect" distribution would be as follows:

3 Masters 1000 on clay, 3 Masters 1000 on grass and 3 Masters 1000 on hard. The ATP finals rotate each year: one year played on indoor hard, the next year on indoor grass, next year on indoor clay, and so on.

I'm okay with rotating-surfaced WTF. But my main concern is injuries bc of transitioning from indoor-hc to grass/clay.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
Last 15 years:

Federer's chances to win the ATP finals in a surface which suits a lot his game: 15.

Nadal's chances to win the ATP finals in a surface which suits a lot his game: 0.

Your previous post was better reasoned. This one makes it even for Fedal, basically, bc hc is their 2nd best surface ;).
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Last 15 years:

Federer's chances to win the ATP finals in a surface which suits a lot his game: 15.

Nadal's chances to win the ATP finals in a surface which suits a lot his game: 0.
WTF indoor and grass masters chances: 15

Clay masters: 45

:sneaky:
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
In an "ideal" world, they would put Paris earlier or just downgrade it. So the years that the ATP finals are hypothetically played on grass, they can include a warmup ATP 500 on grass before the ATP finals. And the years where the ATP finals are played on clay, players would go to a warmup ATP 500 on clay just before the ATP finals.
 
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Sport

G.O.A.T.
Why? If we give them a week break before they can practice on it. Plus, no different than going straight to grass after RG. Don't think injuries would cause problems.
Excellent comment. It's like playing your first grass tournament on grass after the clay season. You don't get injured. Federer dos not get injured at Halle after having played on clay. Nor did Nadal get injured at Wimbleodn after having played the clay season.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
Why? If we give them a week break before they can practice on it. Plus, no different than going straight to grass after RG. Don't think injuries would cause problems.

They might not get injured, but the risk is there. It's an unnecessary risk. And one week to prep is basically just gung-ho'ing it for what is essentially the World Cup of tennis, resulting in basically guaranteed poorer-played matches. Grass after RG is right away, but at least in regards to WB, there's a 3 week leeway (not ideal either, but way better).
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
To be fair to Fred, he had won Hamburg 4 times before he turned 26. He proceeded to win Madrid, it's replacement, twice following Hamburg's last edition as a Masters in 2008. So I think Fed likely would have made it if not for that. But we'll never know. Djokovic, of course, could match Nadal with 1 more win in Rome

Regardless, an impressive achievement from Nadal, especially given many on here don't rate him on hard court.
 
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oldmanfan

Legend
In an "ideal" world, they would put Paris earlier or just downgrade it. So the years that the ATP finals are hypothetically played on grass, they can include a warmup ATP 500 on grass before the ATP finals. And the years where the ATP finals are played on clay, players would go to a warmup ATP 500 on clay just before the ATP finals.

I can get on board with this. (y)
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
@Sport, but Federer has already achieved this by winning Hamburg 4 times and Madrid twice.

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Federer' accomplishments in Hamburg and Madrid are certainly remarkable. But I meant in an individual Masters 1000 tournament not adding all his Masters 1000 results!

Hamburg is one tournament and Madrid is another one :)

So I meant reaching 5 titles in ONE Masters 1000 on clay and 5 titles in ONE Masters 1000 on hard.
 
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@Sport, but Federer has already achieved this by winning Hamburg 4 times and Madrid twice.

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Federer' accomplishments in Hamburg and Madrid are certainly remarkable. But I meant in an individual Masters 1000 tournament not adding all his Masters 1000 results!

Hamburg is one tournament and Madrid is another one :)

So I meant reaching 5 titles in ONE Masters 1000 on clay and 5 titles in ONE Masters 1000 on hard.
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Fair enough. He's got the surfaces covered though.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Great find!

And that makes Fedr getting 6! masters on each of clay and hc. Another 1st. 2 locations can't be used as a counter bc Montreal/Toronto are in two different locations too, like Hamburg/Madrid). ;)
Toronto/Montreal are two different locaions for the SAME tournament: Canadian Open.

Hamburg and Madrid are two different locations for two different tournaments: the Hamburg Open and the Madrid Open.

Not exactly the same, as Federer has not won 5 times the same Masters 1000 tournament on clay.
 
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MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
That is like saying "If the ATP finals rotated surfaces and were played some years on indoor clay as it should be, how many ATP finals Nadal would have? It kind of highlights the discrepancy on the ATP tour eh?".
It does. I think it should be rotated. So yep, both are discrepancies.
I'll never understand the logic of why the YEC should rotate surfaces when literally no other tournament does this.

It's an indoor hard court tournament during the indoor hard court season.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Federer's won 3/4 slams 5+ times. Figure out what Nadal would have to do to achieve this and get back with us, since it's a vastly bigger deal than what anybody does at a Masters 1000 event.

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Why are you jumping to Slams when we are discussing Masters 1000? You wanna jump to Slams? OK.

You are just considering 2 of the 3 surfaces but not considering the 3 as a whole. In other words, you are considering only hard and grass, but strategically ignoring clay. If we consider the 3 surfaces as a whole, Nadal has won at least 2 Slams on 3 surfaces (hard, grass and clay). Federer only has 1 Slam on clay. Figure out what Federer would need to have his Slams so evenly distributed by surface as Nadal. He needs another RG.

2 Slams on each surface >>> 1 Slam on each surface. 2 >>1. Nadal has his Slams more evenly distributed by surface than Federer.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
I'll never understand the logic of why the YEC should rotate surfaces when literally no other tournament does this.

It's an indoor hard court tournament during the indoor hard court season.
Only tourney that is set up the way it is. Only tourney that means what it means.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
I'll never understand the logic of why the YEC should rotate surfaces when literally no other tournament does this.

It's an indoor hard court tournament during the indoor hard court season.
The Olympics does rotate surfaces.

There are no Masters 1000 on grass = there are no ATP finals on indoor grass or indoor clay.

The logic is the following: there should be surface distribution for all tournaments' categories, not only when it favors my favorite player.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Ok, achievements with 10 are 2 times greater than achievement with 5.
If we're being intellectually honest, we're gonna have to include the fact that achievements involving Masters 1000s are greater than those with 500s.

It's okay tho, we'll always have the 5x3 Slam distribution
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
The Olympics does rotate surfaces.

There are no Masters 1000 on grass = there are no ATP finals on indoor grass or indoor clay.

The logic is the following: there should be surface distribution for all tournaments' categories, not only when it favors my favorite player.
The Olympics aren't an ATP event. And it's almost always hard courts unless it takes place in a city like London or Paris where there are major facilities already in place and can save money from having to build a tennis facility.

And if you really believe in equal distribution, I guess we're getting rid of the Australian or US Open?
 
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Also, Montreal this year had a cpi of 43.6, which I believe is fastest on tour unless someone can point to something faster.....
Rafa is the most versatile player in the world and may also end up winning the Double Career Grand Slam :)
 
Hahahaha right back at the feddyrinas!
Two months ago, Nadal became the first and only male player in the history of tennis to win a Masters 1000 at least 5 times on two different surfaces. Nadal has won 11 Montecarlo titles, 8 Rome titles and 5 Canadian Open.

Amazing versatility on 2 surfaces from Nadal!

Djokovic only needs 1 extra Rome title to achieve this record.

Federer would need to win 3 more Madrid titles to achieve this record.

Federinas are all triggered :-D :happydevil: :alien:
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Federer's won 3/4 slams 5+ times. Figure out what Nadal would have to do to achieve this and get back with us, since it's a vastly bigger deal than what anybody does at a Masters 1000 event.

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He'd need 1 more US Open and 3 more Wimbledons.

If not for Federer and Djokovic, he would have done this.

But don't act like Fed did it by going through Nadal and Novak...

He beat Novak once on his way to an AO title but only in 2007 so it doesn't count for much.

He also beat him twice for US Open titles (again in 07 and once more in 08) both times when Novak was in very early 20's.

He beat Nadal for 1 AO title.

Hasn't beat Nadal at the US Open.

So he basically cashed in on guys like Baghdatis, Gonzales etc.
 
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DerekNoleFam1

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I'll never understand the logic of why the YEC should rotate surfaces when literally no other tournament does this.

It's an indoor hard court tournament during the indoor hard court season.

Indoor season is pretty short as it is.
At this time of the year there's no reason to change it.
 
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