Fiero425
Hall of Fame
The last 2 times I can remember Roger beating Nole was back in 2015; Cinci Masters and RR of the YEC! BTW, Nole went on to win the title at the WTF!
Nadal beat Djokovic in same slam for three consecutive years. Djokovic could never do that to either of Fedal.
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Fiero425
Hall of Fame
How embarrassing for Roger to drop 3 Wimbledon finals when he's supposed to be at least the "Grass GOAT!" That last was a heartbreaker losing 3 TB's w/ 2 MP's! ;-)
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Haha, good try!
You should never forget Fed is 6 years older and still took Djokovic to hell.
Fiero425
Hall of Fame
Oh, that made all the difference when holding multiple match points! So because he was 6 years older, he couldn't get a 1st serve in or volley the ball away when he had the chance? Really; that's how you're going to see this? Sad!Haha, good try!
Eren
Professional
Bro twice, RG06-08 AND RG12-14. He is the emperor at RG, so it's okay for Djokovic, Federer and any other player to lose back-to-back matches at RG against Nadal.
Eren
Professional
'15 WTF I think. He might do it again at WTF.
SaintPetros
Hall of Fame
Sure, if he honors his Catholic upbringing and invokes EVERY Saint in prayer...the bad news is his chances are still slim, the good news is...there's a lot of Saints to ask help from...LMAO!!!
Eren
Professional
Not sure what the **** you're on about lol.
BeatlesFan
Talk Tennis Guru
Hasn't beaten Fed on a HC in 6 years, since AO 2014. 7-0 for Fed off clay since then.
So Fed has been at his peak for 16 years. Impressive.Oh, that made all the difference when holding multiple match points! So because he was 6 years older, he couldn't get a 1st serve in or volley the ball away when he had the chance? Really; that's how you're going to see this? Sad!
Fiero425
Hall of Fame
Coco Gauff could have stepped in to finish that match off! Call it what it is; another colossal collapse that has tainted Roger's record! I've been one of the many who put Fed on a pedestal and thought him the best of all time; the record showed it! The thing is, the record shows other things too; a lot of it being exposed since he's refused to just retire on top when he could! I was one who thought the best thing for him was to "hit the road" after winning Wimbledon in 2012! He had already gone a couple seasons without winning a major! It was a miracle both Djokovic and Murray went down with injury and en eui in 2016 allowing a huge comeback with Fedal leading the tour once again after 5+ years! Roger picked up 3 more majors with little impediment and with NG'rs nipping at his heels is barely treading water IMO! I can't believe they'll allow him to stay in the top 4 or 5! I'm praying 2020 will be the end once he's had his fling with taking Olympic spots from someone else! If he supplies his fans with another thrill, FINE, I just hope he doesn't start down that road Connors took just being entertainment and hindering the progress of other players! I was just as much a fan of Martina Navratilova, but even I had to say "it's time" in 1994 when she was barely making finals, much less winning anything!
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
6 years older and still made it so close. That's the point in case you missed it!Oh, that made all the difference when holding multiple match points! So because he was 6 years older, he couldn't get a 1st serve in or volley the ball away when he had the chance? Really; that's how you're going to see this? Sad!
Fiero425
Hall of Fame
If age issue is "an issue," all the more reason to GTHO! I really don't want to hear any BS excuses for any of the top players; totally disingenuous from all sides anyway being so self-serving! I'm old, but don't mind change! I've been praying for the Next-Gen to take over for years! It's more than a little ridiculous to have the same top players for well over a decade ruling the tour like this! It's just unprecedented no matter the era! Homogenizing the courts doesn't help so we don't have a specialist or 2 to upset the elites half as much as they used to back in my era! No one thought Sampras' record 14 majors would be overtaken so quickly and by 3 players to boot! He's been made irrelevant, but Roger's likely to not hold on until he retires with Nadovic breathing down his neck! Emerson held the record the longest for a few decades, Sampras maybe 8 years, now Fed's all but conceding his record to 2 other players before "leaving the stage!"6 years older and still made it so close. That's the point in case you missed it!
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Thing is, he shouldn’t have to be fighting for his record age 38. Yes he’s had countless chances to put the GOAT debate out of sight, but the young players should be stepping up and beating 33-34 year old Nadal and Djokovic.Coco Gauff could have stepped in to finish that match off! Call it what it is; another colossal collapse that has tainted Roger's record! I've been one of the many who put Fed on a pedestal and thought him the best of all time; the record showed it! The thing is, the record shows other things too; a lot of it being exposed since he's refused to just retire on top when he could! I was one who thought the best thing for him was to "hit the road" after winning Wimbledon in 2012! He had already gone a couple seasons without winning a major! It was a miracle both Djokovic and Murray went down with injury and en eui in 2016 allowing a huge comeback with Fedal leading the tour once again after 5+ years! Roger picked up 3 more majors with little impediment and with NG'rs nipping at his heels is barely treading water IMO! I can't believe they'll allow him to stay in the top 4 or 5! I'm praying 2020 will be the end once he's had his fling with taking Olympic spots from someone else! If he supplies his fans with another thrill, FINE, I just hope he doesn't start down that road Connors took just being entertainment and hindering the progress of other players! I was just as much a fan of Martina Navratilova, but even I had to say "it's time" in 1994 when she was barely making finals, much less winning anything!
He’s still the best player I’ve seen, at least off clay anyway. Whether he stays the greatest remains to be seen.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
they won't beat 33-34 years old Nadal or Djokovic for just being young. They'll have to be better than them. Nadal and Djokovic didn't beat Federer as they were young. They were better. Stop attributing things to age all the time.For 18 years old Nadal age advantage was firmly in favor of Federer who was historically prime age of 23-34. A guy who couldn't beat an 18 years old despite himself being in most physically fit age, has no business using that excise when himself in 5 years older past that so called peak age.
If age was a factor then Federer wouldn't be reaching at the stage of having two championship points.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Isn't it 6-0?
Only if Nadal did not chicken out from all the hard court schedule
Lew II
Legend
Federer is 0-7 against top2 in hardcourt slams and 1-9 against #1 at all slams.
True GOAT numbers.
Lew II
Legend
Federer played his first 13 slam matches (out of 30) against other Big3 when he was 22-27 years old while Nadal and Djokovic were 19-22 years old.
Huge advantage.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
so what, in those ancient times, players used to get old at 26.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
So you don't think 6 year age gap is irrelevant? That's quite crazy. I don't know how that can be BS.If age issue is "an issue," all the more reason to GTHO! I really don't want to hear any BS excuses for any of the top players; totally disingenuous from all sides anyway being so self-serving! I'm old, but don't mind change! I've been praying for the Next-Gen to take over for years! It's more than a little ridiculous to have the same top players for well over a decade ruling the tour like this! It's just unprecedented no matter the era! Homogenizing the courts doesn't help so we don't have a specialist or 2 to upset the elites half as much as they used to back in my era! No one thought Sampras' record 14 majors would be overtaken so quickly and by 3 players to boot! He's been made irrelevant, but Roger's likely to not hold on until he retires with Nadovic breathing down his neck! Emerson held the record the longest for a few decades, Sampras maybe 8 years, now Fed's all but conceding his record to 2 other players before "leaving the stage!"
Also, Nadal and Djokovic has had it their ways without any up and coming youngsters to challenge them for the last 10 years. These 3 guys are just so good and probably it will take a long time to see anyone whose ability comes remotely close to these guys. If Rogi is any indication, they may dominate for at least the next 2-3 years. In this kind of situation, it seems only a matter of time that they overtake Federer. I don't know who will get the most no. of slams in the end, and I reserve my judgement on greatness until all 3 of them retires.
ReeceSachs
Hall of Fame
I do not include 2019 as Djokovic prime form. He was not great save for the last set he was better then the breakers in the other sets. I would count 2011/2014/2015/2018 as his prime forms with the 2015 final being his best.
TheFifthSet
Legend
2-14 off clay since the 2010 US Open, a whopping 9 years ago, when Nadal was still just 24.