Nadal beat TWO RG champions as a 16 year old in the same clay season

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Nadal should have joined the universal soldier program

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MadariKatu

Hall of Fame
Corretja says that when he had to face Nadal in Barcelona in 2003, he was ready because Albert Costa told him "watch out, he looks like a kid, but plays like a man". Corretja won in 3 sets, having lost the first one.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
It's why old arguments about Federer having the most talent and Nadal just being a less talented workhorse never made any sense to me. To be doing what Nadal did at such a young age requires incredible talent.
Nadal got the career slam at a younger age than Federer which suggests Nadal had the greater talent in terms of raw talent. Federer possesses greater skill and finesse but talent is more than just skill and finesse.
 
Obviously he works crazy hard and has sacrificed and dedicated much. But to be that good has to be God given as well. It is just insane.
I‘d say Federer had a God given talent that nobody on a Tennis court could ever replicate but Nadal certainly was gifted with something which when combined with his ridiculous work ethics have made him almost invincible and impossible to beat at certain points of his career.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
With the direction men's tennis is headed, I don't think we'll see another another teen win a slam possibly in our lifetime
Maybe it will happen when there is some revolutionary technology change that affects racquets, strings or surfaces. That’s usually when the older ATGs get replaced by teen prodigies as happened in the early 2000s when surfaces slowed down and those who grew up with gut were replaced by young guys who knew how to take advantage of the topspin and angles delivered by poly. It also happened in the Seventies/Eighties when racquets changed from wood to metal/graphite and 2 Slams changed from grass to hard - before the mid-Seventies, it was tough for teens to replace ATGs like Rosewall, Laver in their mid-late thirties also.
 

JustMy2Cents

Hall of Fame
The dedication, work ethic, concentration, intensity, focus, maturity :love:
To me, the nouns you use seem too inadequate and almost pejorative/condescending..., conjuring a vision of a work horse who mastered something by repetition. At best they can be used as secondary tier of attributes that contribute to Rafa's greatness.

Innate TALENT, incredible Skills, intuitive reflexes, sheer Brilliance are how I'd describe a teenage kid achieving such results.

And to those citing other athletes with great records as teenagers, Rafa remains the only guy sustaining the teenage brilliance into his thirties
 

Forehanderer

Professional
It's why old arguments about Federer having the most talent and Nadal just being a less talented workhorse never made any sense to me. To be doing what Nadal did at such a young age requires incredible talent.
The other point about Federer not having to work hard is also false. His work ethic is often underplayed by the "god gifted talent" narrative. Big 3 are in a different league when it comes to talent, work ethic and other attributes that set them apart from the rest.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I‘d say Federer had a God given talent that nobody on a Tennis court could ever replicate but Nadal certainly was gifted with something which when combined with his ridiculous work ethics have made him almost invincible and impossible to beat at certain points of his career.
When Rafa zones and its all working he is unbeatable at FO W and USO. Sadly nowadays those zoning days are very rare.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Sure, he has been injured in losses before but here you're saying " Oh Rafa lost? Must have been an injury" and it's not hard to see why people make fun of it.
Just thinking that logically, if he could beat Moya and Costa who were far better players than Corretja then there must have been a reason why Corretja beat him.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I‘d say Federer had a God given talent that nobody on a Tennis court could ever replicate but Nadal certainly was gifted with something which when combined with his ridiculous work ethics have made him almost invincible and impossible to beat at certain points of his career.
Federer was a late starter. Naturally talented players like Rafa are winners from the word go. Federer was a plodder until he won Wimbledon at age 22, nearly 23. Even now at nearly 40 he is only neck and neck with Rafa and Djoker in slams and behind them in M1000s.
 
Federer was a late starter. Naturally talented players like Rafa are winners from the word go. Federer was a plodder until he won Wimbledon at age 22, nearly 23. Even now at nearly 40 he is only neck and neck with Rafa and Djoker in slams and behind them in M1000s.
Federers talent =1 in 1 trillion
Nadals talent = 1 in 100 million
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer was a late starter. Naturally talented players like Rafa are winners from the word go. Federer was a plodder until he won Wimbledon at age 22, nearly 23. Even now at nearly 40 he is only neck and neck with Rafa and Djoker in slams and behind them in M1000s.
LMAO, Fed won Wimb when he was nearly 22, not nearly 23. At nearly 23 he was a 3 time slam winner.

By your logic, Hewitt and Roddick were more talented than Federer which is asinine.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer was a late starter. Naturally talented players like Rafa are winners from the word go. Federer was a plodder until he won Wimbledon at age 22, nearly 23. Even now at nearly 40 he is only neck and neck with Rafa and Djoker in slams and behind them in M1000s.
Well, he was ahead of them at one point age-wise despite their quicker start. Was ahead of Rafa at ages 26 and at 28-31. Rafa caught up in his 30's. Was also ahead of Djoker for a long time too.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, he was ahead of them at one point age-wise despite their quicker start. Was ahead of Rafa at ages 26 and at 28-31. Rafa caught up in his 30's. Was also ahead of Djoker for a long time too.
No, Federer is not a natural talent and he had the weak era advantage.

You sound desperate
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
No, Federer is not a natural talent and he had the weak era advantage.

You sound desperate
Don't give me the weak era crap considering that it's a weak era that has enabled Rafa to break the slam record.

The only desperate one is you trying to undermine everyone but Rafa just to make Rafa seem like a deity.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I’m sorry that Federer humiliated Rafa at Wimbledon over and over
Federer humiliated Rafa at Wimbledon? Do you live on a parallel universe? Rafa beat him in the greatest match ever played on his own turf even though Fedr leads him 3:1 there but that's nothing compared to Rafa leading Fedr 6:0 at RG and Fedr only winning 4 games in 2008 plus Rafa gave him a bagel to take home.
 

Le Master

Professional
Age feats are interesting, but they don't in themselves make any player better than another. But if a player does a lot at a young or an old age, it simply gives the player more time and opportunities to rack up wins and titles -- and it's those wins and titles that give the player that distinction.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Age feats are interesting, but they don't in themselves make any player better than another. But if a player does a lot at a young or an old age, it simply gives the player more time and opportunities to rack up wins and titles -- and it's those wins and titles that give the player that distinction.
I disagree. Natural talent bears fruit at a young age and that was manifested in Nadal who was beating GS champions at the tender age of 16.
 
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