What fun is that? Nadal should keep trying to break records to keep Fed on his toes, so should Novak. He's got plenty of time to do it. I mean look at how many slams Fed has won after 30. I say let the chase for greatness continue.I doubt Nadal will win FO every year.
He should give up on the slam count now. Just concentrate on your own things and so should the Nadal fans do, be happy that Nadal makes himself greater and greater, and leave the thoughts on reaching Roger
Gotta love how posters jump from quantity to distribution of slams depending on what’s going on with their favorite player.slam count don't matter
Nadal could win 20 more FO it still wouldn't matter
everybody knows he is Clay goat
what's his slam tally outside the FO.
6 majors
Fed's slam tally outside Wimbledon?
12
then factor in feds weeks at number one, consecutive weeks at number one, WTF won, having at least 5 titles at 6 or more different tournaments across grass and hard
It's a wrap
Fed underperformed on clay because Rafa is clay goat
Meanwhile Fed dominated the tour outside of Clay and Rafa usually wasn't a factor because he got beat before he could face Fed
It's a wrap
There's a reason why the French Open is the least glorious slam. It rewards running a lot and basically physically outlasting opponents most often than not.Gotta love how posters jump from quantity to distribution of slams depending on what’s going on with their favorite player.
Nadal close to winning second CGS?
Never mind, slam counts are all that matter.
Nadal may catch up on Slam count?
Never mind, variety of slam wins is all that matters.
Actually you just made that up. And there’s a reason for THAT!There's a reason why the French Open is the least glorious slam. It rewards running a lot and basically physically outlasting opponents most often than not.
The slower the speed of a court, the less impact a single shot has, and thus the physicality of the sport (running, playing more low-risk shots - basically just putting the ball in) becomes the dominant factor. It's no longer about who hits better, but about who is more physical. Who can outlast.Actually you just made that up. And there’s a reason for THAT!
Lol. Sure.The slower the speed of a court, the less impact a single shot has, and thus the physicality of the sport (running, playing more low-risk shots - basically just putting the ball in) becomes the dominant factor. It's no longer about who hits better, but about who is more physical. Who can outlast.
Really? Because Nadal was no.2 and Djokovic was no.3.We can all talk in circles about this... Federer and Nadal are both great, Fed won many of his majors in a weak era without nadal, novak, or murray... Fed has never been great on clay I remember Guga owning him at the French.. But lets not forget that Nadal has beaten Federer on grass on the biggest stage (2008). But Federer has the 20 slams! Who wins.. Yo no sé..
Just because Federer has done it, doesn't mean they will to. I never understood this argument.What fun is that? Nadal should keep trying to break records to keep Fed on his toes, so should Novak. He's got plenty of time to do it. I mean look at how many slams Fed has won after 30. I say let the chase for greatness continue.
Some people are always ridiculous.4 more isn't a huge ask, especially when you auto-win at least 1 Slam (French) per year. So really, all Nadal needs to do is play another 4 years on tour (and he's only 31, let's not forget), and he'll have 4 more French Open's. Then all he needs to do is bag an additional Slam in one of those years, and he's surpassed 20 Slams.
It’s called wishful thinking. They’re in shell shock. Gotta keep saying that to save face.Just because Federer has done it, doesn't mean they will to. I never understood this argument.
Who said that? I said why not try. The chase is the fun part and Rafa and Novak are game for trying. They've made Fed consistently raise his game, which is what I want to see. End of story and this is from a Fed fan.Just because Federer has done it, doesn't mean they will to. I never understood this argument.
So really, all Nadal needs to do is play another 4 years on tour (and he's only 31, let's not forget), and he'll have 4 more French Open's.
Nadal has won 3 US Opens since Fed last won a USO. You can ***** and moan about draws and opponents choking, the facts are Nadal won them. Fed had a cake draw at this AO and I could say Cilic choked it.( I don't actually believe the latter.)It still doesn't change the fact, Federer won it.There is absolutely no way in hell Nadal is sniffing another US Open. Anyone proclaiming Nadal is even relevant at the USO must be really high. He's played only 1 great fall hard court season (2013). His 2017 USO was a complete joke. 2010, Djokovic choked the final.
They will atone for their past sins and speed up the surface. Federer is due too long. Nadal will go out at the hands of a power hitter before the QF.
FO, we will see if someone on the ATP has grown a pair of balls to challenge Nadal. It is hilarious though to think he can win 14 FO...LOL, no, in your dreams. The field will eventually catch up and even Nadal cannot avoid father time.
And after last year, I will be damned if Federer allows Nadal to stay at #1. There is no way in hell Nadal should finish a 5th year at #1. Fed will be smart to sit out the clay court season again, and go firing the rest of the way. If he takes Wimby and USO both, regardless of what Nadal does at FO, Fed will finish a 6th year at #1.
If this turns out to be, it is over for Nadal. He might remain relevant in 2019, but I will really be surprised if Nadal sniffs a grand slam again in 2020.
This year is the kill year for Fed. This fairy tale will have a happy ending.
He's obviously not in the same league but he is a 2 time Wimbledon champ, he's definitely a threatMurray LOL. Let's stop acting like he was ever a threat.
It was made Borg a GOD in the tennis world until Sampras & Fedalovic! His name came up every time due to winning 6 FO's; 4 in a row!Actually you just made that up. And there’s a reason for THAT!
I'm sure Rafa thought he had a chance to overcome Fed in the majors count, but the gutless tour has allowed "Gramps" to take 3 more majors the last year! Who would have thunk it? Certainly not me! I thought he was fortunate to get his pigeon in that '12 Wimbledon final, but even a couple weeks later fell to Murray in the Olympics on his "home court!"It’s called wishful thinking. They’re in shell shock. Gotta keep saying that to save face.
But he has to get to the final! Sooner or later, those matches leading up to it will start to get tough; esp. with that ridiculous way he likes to play the game! Players can't play indefinitely using those tactics of "outlasting" their opponent! Look at Ferrer & Berdynch who are the best conditioned athletes out there! The drop off is apparent with age! I keep hearing from the commentators what a great volley Rafa has, but the only time he seems to venture up there is when the point's already won! He could cut those points off and close out matches sooner if he had the mental fortitude to do so!Considering how little competition Nadal has had at the FO (never played a 5 set final) he's favourite for at least, at least another 1 FO unless his physical declines really speeds up.
impeccable logic and impeccable thread. Again. How did you get so wise?Yes, easily. He wins the French Open like clockwork. In 4 years time it is a given he'll be at 20 Slams, so whether he sneaks in a USO or AO during one of those years will determine whether he surpasses 20 or merely matches it. And, of course, if he plays for another 5 years he'll have won 5 more French Open's, so it's inevitable that he passes 20 either way.
A key point though is that Nadal has GOAT level ability on clay. He knows how to control the play on clay better than arguably anyone else in the history of the mens game, on clay he can protect his physical decline from being exploited. OTOH off clay he's nowhere near GOAT level, not even close, not even close, which is why he's forced to defend and run so much to be competitive. He took almost 4 hours to beat the journeymen-like Diego Scwhartzmann at this Aus Open. I still think on clay at the FO he'll win at least 1 more unless this year his physical decline really nosedives.But he has to get to the final! Sooner or later, those matches leading up to it will start to get tough; esp. with that ridiculous way he likes to play the game! Players can't play indefinitely using those tactics of "outlasting" their opponent! Look at Ferrer & Berdynch who are the best conditioned athletes out there! The drop off is apparent with age! I keep hearing from the commentators what a great volley Rafa has, but the only time he seems to venture up there is when the point's already won! He could cut those points off and close out matches sooner if he had the mental fortitude to do so!![]()
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Topping it all against Nadal is his inability to hold onto the #1 ranking for a sustained length of time! His body's breaking down so fast, he can't stay on the court longer than a year or so before needing to take time away from the tour! It the reason players like Kei & Milos will never get to that illustrious position! I don't blame them, but the way the game's played is really debilitating to anything short of perfection! If too short or too tall; that's a detriment! Being too muscle-bound like Nadal is also a reason the breakdowns are coming faster and more furious! Nole's held on the longest of late thru his stretch with a slim, slight build with nary an ounce of fat on him! Roger's game helps his durability; not having 30-40 stroke wars so he's better in the battles!Nadal can win the next 10 dirt ball championships and still won't belong in the same conversation as Federer. Time to let that one go.
you should leave the thought that your username is now rather redundant.I doubt Nadal will win FO every year.
He should give up on the slam count now. Just concentrate on your own things and so should the Nadal fans do, be happy that Nadal makes himself greater and greater, and leave the thoughts on reaching Roger
Nadal will turn 32 before he has the opportunity to win another slam.4 more isn't a huge ask, especially when you auto-win at least 1 Slam (French) per year. So really, all Nadal needs to do is play another 4 years on tour (and he's only 31, let's not forget)
must hurt in the butt...you should leave the thought that your username is now rather redundant.
His rivals are already married and it didn't really interfere all that much, I'm sure Nadal can multi-task. Physical burnout or injuries however, different situation entirely.Nadal will probably get married within 3 years and then not dedicate nearly as much of his time to the sport. 20 is still possible, certainly, but given his numerous physical issues throughout the years, it will be very difficult.
That would only tie Roger, not surpass him. The whole suggestion of Rafa surpassing Fed when he'll be 32 when the next slam is contested is just laughable. It's little different than endless Nole fans saying in 2015, "he'll win 25 or 30 slams."Yes, all he needs is Murray’s plus Cilic’s major career totals and that’s it. Easily.
All true. Different kind of pressure though; that’s why folks are right when they say he shouldn’t chase the GS record. The pressure will build as he starts to run out of time. It can do funny things to even the most clutch players. Like I said, every FO he fails to win will begin to feel like a huge missed chance to catch Fed.There was tons of pressure in 2017 and he passed with flying colors.
He was 100% for the first time in years, already made a slam final and nearly beat Fed on a super fast court. He won 3/4 RG warm-up events. His only problem the first 5 months was Fed on hardcourts, and Roger wasn't even in the tournament. Everyone expected him to win FO 2017.
Well apart from winning more matches at the FO than every other player in history bar one.Fed has never been great on clay
I still put Navratilova ahead of Court! Most of her titles were won in the pre-Open era with 11 majors "down under" when most players skipped it! No matter how many titles Williams wins, it's hard to put her up there with the iconic players of this or any era due to her apathy, coming and going from the tour to do other things which rubbed me the wrong way! Navratilova kept at it and surpassed all others in the Open era winning majors until she was almost 50 years old taking 59 GS titles! No sport will ever see her LIKE again!Nadal? Federer has moved on. He's competing with Court, Williams, and Graf.
Nadal's mentality doesn't seem the same.His rivals are already married and it didn't really interfere all that much, I'm sure Nadal can multi-task. Physical burnout or injuries however, different situation entirely.
Talking sheer numbers here...the Twenties Club.I still put Navratilova ahead of Court!
But he did have a rival that is 5 years older who he hoped would just get old and retire to make it easier for him. Sorry about his luck.plus Nadal didn't have 3 to 4 years of playing without another ATG to deal with, unlike some other player...
Gotta love how posters jump from quantity to distribution of slams depending on what’s going on with their favorite player.
Nadal close to winning second CGS?
Never mind, slam counts are all that matter.
Nadal may catch up on Slam count?
Never mind, variety of slam wins is all that matters.
Speaking of math...