Nadal can still easily surpass/match Federer's Slam count

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Nadal isn't getting to 20. By some miracle if he does it'll be by stacking more RGs on the dirtpile which just makes him look more dependent on clay.

He's the undisputed CGOAT for life and probably eternity. He should be happy with that.
I concur since his career is woefully unbalanced highlighting his clay prowess! What made Borg greater was taking those 5 Wimbledons in a row! After winning his 2, Nadal hasn't even gotten to a final but once in '11; going down in flames to no names, qualifiers, and WC's! lol! Off clay, his entire resume has been shortened by way of weeks at #1, wins on HC's, no YEC's, and only taking 1 AO when he can't use the excuse of being tired since it's the 1st major of the season! He's breaking down and doing it to himself with battling from the baseline unnecessarily against players supposedly not in his class! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
We can all talk in circles about this... Federer and Nadal are both great, Fed won many of his majors in a weak era without nadal, novak, or murray... Fed has never been great on clay I remember Guga owning him at the French.. But lets not forget that Nadal has beaten Federer on grass on the biggest stage (2008). But Federer has the 20 slams! Who wins.. Yo no sé..
Nadal won most of his slams vs weak competition also then.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
After 2013 AO, Nadal was 4 slams behind Federer. After 2018 AO, he's still 4 slams behind Federer.

If he can't close the gap after 5 years, he's not going to catch Federer from now. Time isn't on his side.
 

GabeT

Legend
First of all I've been saying this about Fed and Nadal for years when Fed still on 17 slams



It was always laughable the Nadal GOAT talk considering all he had missing from his resume


Federer doing what he has done the past two years was just the cherry on top.
Sure, sure. I bet that if Nadal somehow wins another two AO, and ends up with less slams than Fed but with 3 CGS vs only one for Fed, you won’t focus on slam count at all. Sure.
 

Jonas78

Legend
4 more isn't a huge ask, especially when you auto-win at least 1 Slam (French) per year. So really, all Nadal needs to do is play another 4 years on tour (and he's only 31, let's not forget), and he'll have 4 more French Open's. Then all he needs to do is bag an additional Slam in one of those years, and he's surpassed 20 Slams.
After FO16 it seemed a lot more likely that Nole would surpass Fed, and here we are. 4/5 slams at age 32 is A LOT to ask, especially when the man you hunt still wins slams at a higher rate than yourself.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Sure, sure. I bet that if Nadal somehow wins another two AO, and ends up with less slams than Fed but with 3 CGS vs only one for Fed, you won’t focus on slam count at all. Sure.
You're dreaming babe! Federer and Nole have won 3 majors in a season 5 times between them and they're not finished! The only way for Nadal to outdo Roger is to surpass the major's count! Anything short of that and we start looking at his shortcomings like his short reign at #1, no YEC's, and the ultimate result of his dominance at only 1 of the majors! Roger has a more balanced resume with streaks of 5 at the 2 preeminent events of Wimbledon and the USO! Rafa doesn't come close! Sorry! Those are the facts; not just hatin' on Rafa even though I can't stand the way he plays the game! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
After 2013 AO, Nadal was 4 slams behind Federer. After 2018 AO, he's still 4 slams behind Federer.

If he can't close the gap after 5 years, he's not going to catch Federer from now. Time isn't on his side.
You know why Nadal fans are still talking trash about catching Federer? They have a low opinion of the competition and feel Nadal can win GS at any time. So when they try to talk up the players that Nadal’s plays, they’re full of it. Cilic was a “mug” until they needed him to beat Federer.
 
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GabeT

Legend
You're dreaming babe! Federer and Nole have won 3 majors in a season 5 times between them and they're not finished! The only way for Nadal to outdo Roger is to surpass the major's count! Anything short of that and we start looking at his shortcomings like his short reign at #1, no YEC's, and the ultimate result of his dominance at only 1 of the majors! Roger has a more balanced resume with streaks of 5 at the 2 preeminent events of Wimbledon and the USO! Rafa doesn't come close! Sorry! Those are the facts; not just hatin' on Rafa even though I can't stand the way he plays the game! :rolleyes: :p ;)
You didn’t bother to read what we are discussing, huh?
 
4 more isn't a huge ask, especially when you auto-win at least 1 Slam (French) per year. So really, all Nadal needs to do is play another 4 years on tour (and he's only 31, let's not forget), and he'll have 4 more French Open's. Then all he needs to do is bag an additional Slam in one of those years, and he's surpassed 20 Slams.
He's days from 32 when the FO starts, so think of him as 32.

He's not been anywhere close to winning Wimbledon in years, so now you're talking three slams a calendar year he can compete in.

He is injury-prone and the clay court season is a bunch of long rallies.

The young players are starting to rise up a bit. Kyrgios and Zeverev are capable of beating anyone. They are also too inconsistent and can lose to nobodies. Still, they have a voice in the argument.

While he's a threat at both the Aussie and USO, neither surface gives him the edge that clay gives him. Hard to think of him as a favorite at either, plus Fed is still playing at a high level. And if Djokovic can come back he was giving Nadal a lot of problems.

I am skeptical of Nadal hitting 20 slams. This next FO is crucial for him if he wants to have a shot at that.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
He won't have because he would need another Wimb in the first place.
You got to it before me! Thanks for the admonition! lol! You can't win if you can't make the final! I'm done predicting after what's happened the last couple years; Nole not the same player since '16 FO, Fedal's resurgences, & the Next-Gen being so underwhelming/underachieving! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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Remember when Federer was 31 and everyone called him "Old-erer" and grampa? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I remember. It's funny how no one talks about post 30 as being much of a problem. The Big Five are all over 30 now.

(Of course I'm pretty sure Murray is done winning majors and I think Warwinka and even Djokovic may be done as well.)
 

GabeT

Legend
He won't have because he would need another Wimb in the first place.
Ok. In that case if Nadal wins one more AO he has now more CGS than Fed. How many Fed fans that today claim slam counts don’t matter will still do so in that scenario? Or if Nadal wins another Wimby and two more AO he will have three CGS.

Or take Nole. If he wins two more FO and one more USO he would still be 5 slams behind Fed. Yet he would be ahead of Fed in two of the slams and have three CGS. Will anyone in the Fed camp say that Nole has a better record?

The point is that posters here jump from rationale to rationale depending on what makes their favorite player look best.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Ok. In that case if Nadal wins one more AO he has now more CGS than Fed. How many Fed fans that today claim slam counts don’t matter will still do so in that scenario? Or if Nadal wins another Wimby and two more AO he will have three CGS.

Or take Nole. If he wins two more FO and one more USO he would still be 5 slams behind Fed. Yet he would be ahead of Fed in two of the slams and have three CGS. Will anyone in the Fed camp say that Nole has a better record?

The point is that posters here jump from rationale to rationale depending on what makes their favorite player look best.
You mean like YOU? :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
They were asking McEnroe and Gilbert last night which career they would rather have and both without one moment of hesitation said, "Roger, of course." Then both laughed a little sarcastically, as if the question was silly to even ask. Then both mentioned slam distribution. And if Nadal fans were honest (as a few are), which career would you rather have, seriously? Nobody would choose Nadal's over Fed's. Not even Nadal.

Federer:

6 AO's
1 FO
8 Wimbledons
5 USO's
6 YEC's

Nadal:

1 AO
10 FO's
2 Wimbledons
3 USO's
0 YEC's

Rafa is an ATG and easily the second or third greatest player ever, but his career stats fall far short of Roger's, as should be glaringly apparent, except to VB-ers.
 

GabeT

Legend
They were asking McEnroe and Gilbert last night which career they would rather have and both without one moment of hesitation said, "Roger, of course." Then both laughed a little sarcastically, as if the question was silly to even ask. Then both mentioned slam distribution. And if Nadal fans were honest (as a few are), which career would you rather have, seriously? Nobody would choose Nadal's over Fed's. Not even Nadal.

Federer:

6 AO's
1 FO
8 Wimbledons
5 USO's
6 YEC's

Nadal:

1 AO
10 FO's
2 Wimbledons
3 USO's
0 YEC's

Rafa is an ATG and easily the second or third greatest player ever, but his career stats fall far short of Roger's, as should be glaringly apparent, except to VB-ers.
Is anyone arguing that Nadal’s career is greater TODAY?
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Ok, what's the point of counting majors, if both sides have the excuses? If Rafa ends up with more majors, Fed fans will say hey they are mostly FOs, so it doesn't count.

But now, Nadal fans say, it's a weak era, so it still doesn't count.

So, why even bother counting?
 
Ok, what's the point of counting majors, if both sides have the excuses? If Rafa ends up with more majors, Fed fans will say hey they are mostly FOs, so it doesn't count.

But now, Nadal fans say, it's a weak era, so it still doesn't count.

So, why even bother counting?
There is no reason really to count

23 consecutive semi-finals and 36 consecutive quarterfinals might be the single most impressive statistics in the world of sports

More impressive than any number of grandslams perhaps
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
Sure, sure. I bet that if Nadal somehow wins another two AO, and ends up with less slams than Fed but with 3 CGS vs only one for Fed, you won’t focus on slam count at all. Sure.

Agassi has a career slam compared to Sampras' none, but most considered Sampras GOAT and not Agassi...I wonder why????
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Agassi has a career slam compared to Sampras' none, but most considered Sampras GOAT and not Agassi...I wonder why????
Probably for the same reason Federer will always be thought of as being greater than Nadal; 6 more GS wins, an overall record better at Wimbledon & The USO, and a more balanced resume! Agassi isn't even in the same class as Sampras since he was his personal pigeon to the last allowing 1 more USO in '02! That shouldn't have happened since Sampras was past it; 2 years without any kind of title and had dropped out of the top 20! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
There is no reason really to count

23 consecutive semi-finals and 36 consecutive quarterfinals might be the single most impressive statistics in the world of sports

More impressive than any number of grandslams perhaps
I think even more impressive is 30 GS finals and at least 5 finals at any slam and WTF.

Then making 18 out 19 GS finals and also winning 24 consecutive finals.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
You make no sense. Now you claim slam count matters??
where did I mention slam count ?




I addressed your career slam argument

The reason people think more of Sampras' career , aside from slam count, is the number of years he was ranked world number one, the number of years he finished world number one , and the YEC he won


Even if Pete and Andre had equal slam tally he would be considered the better. ore successful player

Do keep up.
 

MathGeek

Hall of Fame
Rafa has had an awesome career. He is truly a great player.

Why obsess over whether he will reach an arbitrary mark set by another player?

My daddy warned me (about money) not to engage in stupid games of keeping up with the joneses.

I don't play stupid games vicariously either. Just enjoy watching the great ones (Rafa, etc.) as long as they last.
 

GabeT

Legend
where did I mention slam count ?




I addressed your career slam argument

The reason people think more of Sampras' career , aside from slam count, is the number of years he was ranked world number one, the number of years he finished world number one , and the YEC he won


Even if Pete and Andre had equal slam tally he would be considered the better. ore successful player

Do keep up.
Wait, you are comparing the difference in YE1s between Sampras and Agassi, with Fed and Nadal???
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Of course Rafa CAN reach or even surpass 20 slams if the stars align somewhat. But it will be tough, though I would never count him out.

You can't assume he will keep winning RG forever. He's the favourite this year for sure, barring injury, and will be among the favourites for a few years to come. But in 2012 people thought Fed would win many more Wimbledon titles in the coming years. After 2016 RG the question was: who can stop Djokovic? Things can change quickly.

I think Nadal will win two more RG titles. Maybe three, but I have my doubts. 10 is already such an incredible number.

He may get another hard court slam. But things need to align for him for that, in the shape of a staying healthy + Djokovic & co not coming back strong + young players not stepping up + a little luck. And if the field stays this way, Fed could increase his count also!

So he'll do well to get 4 more, though it's not entirely fanciful. 5 will be a tough ask.

If I was to guess, I'd say he'll end on 19, which would be an amazing achievement in itself.

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The problem here is Federer is a moving target, he is the massive fav for Wimbledon. If Federer keeps winning slams, Nadal will not be able to catch him, and currently it is Nadal who is carrying injury after injury. Last two events, he quit because of injury. RG is very physically demanding, to expect him to keep winning it for the next three years close to his 34-35 birthday is a little too much.

Nadal was four slams behind Federer after USO 2013, now, four and half years later, he is STILL four slams behind Federer, with more mileage, a body that has had more injuries - since USO 2013, Nadal injured his back in AO 2014, injured his wrists in RG 2016, injured his knees at WTF 2017, tore a muscle in AO 2018...he is only human, and his body has taken an absolute beating. The field may not be so great, but what can you do when your body starts failing you?

I don't think Federer has stopped winning slams, and it is unwise to assume it also, considering he has won three of the last five.
"Torn muscle" may be exaggerating just a little
 

GabeT

Legend
And you will find a way to purposely misunderstand
It’s very simple. Posters jump from “slam count is all that matters” to “ diversity of slam wins is what matters” depending on how their favorite player is doing. Happens to the best of us.
 

fedfan39

Rookie
Nadal has won 3 US Opens since Fed last won a USO. You can ***** and moan about draws and opponents choking, the facts are Nadal won them. Fed had a cake draw at this AO and I could say Cilic choked it.( I don't actually believe the latter.)It still doesn't change the fact, Federer won it.

It's also rather funny to read that Nadal winning 14 FO is so amusing, when Federer went four years without a slam and put it together later on. No one has ever been as dominant at one event as Nadal is at Roland Garros. I don't think he'll win 14, but I think 12 is basically a lock with decent health and 13 isn't unrealistic.
I am sorry, but Nadal has feasted on USOs like a vulture feasts on a dead carcass.

Granted, Fed feasted on his lone FO this way too. I am not ashamed to admit it.

But Nadal's USO titles are a massive and stupendous anomaly given just how much a notch below he is to Fed and Djokovic.

Grated, the man won 3 (yikes!!!), but that will be it for him.

P.S. Making any projections about Nadal's FO is foolhardy. When the train stops, it comes at a complete halt...it is NEVER GRADUAL. Case in point: Well, almost everyone, including Djokovic. Nadal was realistically bested only by Djokovic during his massive FO run. It takes ONE WIN...just ONE WIN for the field to believe. And remember this: When Nadal falls at FO, he is DONE. No more carrying the false bravado and the aura of invincibility on the hard court season and vulture those titles in weak years.
 
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SLD76

G.O.A.T.
It’s very simple. Posters jump from “slam count is all that matters” to “ diversity of slam wins is what matters” depending on how their favorite player is doing. Happens to the best of us.

I don't care what you think others arguments are.


I was very clear in what I stated and why


slam count +plus other ATG markers make it no contest on who is GOAT, even if Nadal wins another 10 FO.

Fed dominated the tour in ways Nadal never did, pillar to post.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
I don't care what you think others arguments are.


I was very clear in what I stated and why


slam count +plus other ATG markers make it no contest on who is GOAT, even if Nadal wins another 10 FO.

Fed dominated the tour in ways Nadal never did, pillar to post.
Try to dumb it down for him. He's a bit slow. I've tried having several disussions with him in the past (if I'm sure I'e got his name rifht) and he either deliberatey acts obtuse or he's really wired a little differently.
Expect him to digress and play all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid addressing any of the points made.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
Try to dumb it down for him. He's a bit slow. I've tried having several disussions with him in the past (if I'm sure I'e got his name rifht) and he either deliberatey acts obtuse or he's really wired a little differently.
Expect him to digress and play all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid addressing any of the points made.

His MO is really obvious
 

Slightly D1

Professional
It’s not impossible to think he will continue to dominate clay for the next 2-3 seasons so there’s 3 FO’s for the foreseeable future and then it’s not crazy to think that he could repeat at the USO or bag one of those in the next 2 years especially given the state of the tour outside of him and Fed at this point.

I think it’s obvious that age is catching up to Fed because if 2017 AO Fed played 2018 AO Fed 2017 would have wiped 2018 off the court. Obviously he is still winning majors but he had a very friendly draw this year. 2018 will be huge for Nadal if he wants to have a real chance at catching Fed.
 

Johnr

Rookie
It’s not impossible to think he will continue to dominate clay for the next 2-3 seasons so there’s 3 FO’s for the foreseeable future and then it’s not crazy to think that he could repeat at the USO or bag one of those in the next 2 years especially given the state of the tour outside of him and Fed at this point.

I think it’s obvious that age is catching up to Fed because if 2017 AO Fed player 2018 AO Fed 2017 would have wiped 2018 off the court. Obviously he is still winning majors but he had a very friendly draw this year. 2018 will be huge for Nadal if he wants to have a real chance at catching Fed.
This is a pretty funny post!!
 
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