Nadal can still easily surpass/match Federer's Slam count

TennisFan3

Legend
Even with 25 Slams, Nadal will never be the GOAT. It's about having a beautiful game. Santoro or Federer will always be the GOAT. Not Nadal, not Djokovic.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Just because you guys think Fed playing a beautiful game, doesn't mean that others don't as well.
I agree with Nadal having a tough time being GOAT, because of his imbalanced resume.
But I can guarantee you this: If Djokovic gets more slam titles and has more weeks at #1 than Fed, NO ONE (tennis experts, fans, commentators, press, legends, Hall of Fame etc) will regard Fed as GOAT. It will be Novak.
Whoever is the most prolific in this era will be the GOAT. Right now it's Fed - but it could be Novak in the future.
 
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Just because you guys think Fed playing a beautiful game, doesn't mean that others don't as well.
I agree with Nadal having a tough time being GOAT, because of his imbalanced resume.
But I can guarantee you this: If Djokovic gets more slam titles and has more weeks at #1 than Fed, NO ONE (tennis experts, fans, commentators, press, legends, Hall of Fame etc) will regard Fed as GOAT. It will be Novak.
Whoever is the most prolific in this era will be the GOAT. Right now it's Fed - but it could be Novak in the future.
What the hell are you talking about? What imbalanced resume? He has 19 slams. He is very close to Federer right now. And that's given lots of injuries which he had during his career.
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
At this Rate, Fed might enter RG and beat Nadal there too. ;)
No slam is safe bro
I doubt Nadal will win FO every year.

He should give up on the slam count now. Just concentrate on your own things and so should the Nadal fans do, be happy that Nadal makes himself greater and greater, and leave the thoughts on reaching Roger
Lots of great stuff in this thread I see.
Nadal? Federer has moved on. He's competing with Court, Williams, and Graf.
How’s competition with Court, Williams and Graf going on btw?
Thnx.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
What the hell are you talking about? What imbalanced resume? He has 19 slams. He is very close to Federer right now. And that's given lots of injuries which he had during his career.
I mean Nadal has to beat Fed's slam count decisively. By 2-3 slams for him to be GOAT.
If Fed's at 20 and Nadal's at 21 - people will argue about YE#1, Weeks at #1, no WTF etc etc.

OR If Nadal can win an AO slam title - that would be huge for him. It would be a double career slams, and then he could be considered better than Fed by just exceeding him by 1 slam. This is because a double career grand slam will help offset less weeks at #1 etc.
 

duaneeo

Hall of Fame
Lots of great stuff in this thread I see.


How’s competition with Court, Williams and Graf going on btw?


Thnx.
LOL. Perhaps I missed it, but I went through this thread and don't see any confident prediction from you that Nadal (who was 4 back from Federer when this thread was made) will surpass Roger (which, last time I looked, he hasn't). If you didn't even have the guts to make such a prediction at the time, don't now try calling out those who did.
 

DSH

Hall of Fame
I doubt Nadal will win FO every year.

He should give up on the slam count now. Just concentrate on your own things and so should the Nadal fans do, be happy that Nadal makes himself greater and greater, and leave the thoughts on reaching Roger
:oops:o_O:giggle::-D:laughing::sneaky::happydevil:
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
I mean Nadal has to beat Fed's slam count decisively. By 2-3 slams for him to be GOAT.
If Fed's at 20 and Nadal's at 21 - people will argue about YE#1, Weeks at #1, no WTF etc etc.

OR If Nadal can win an AO slam title - that would be huge for him. It would be a double career slams, and then he could be considered better than Fed by just exceeding him by 1 slam. This is because a double career grand slam will help offset less weeks at #1 etc.
how does this make sense? It is like saying my opponent in my local club tournament does not only have to beat me but have the beat me decisively to proceed to the next round. I cannot imagine many people other than Fed fans arguing about WTF, weeks at No.1 etc.In your scenario Nadal would have more slams, more masters and lead the H2H. This would end the discussion.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Fed can easily bag another slam if he gets Berrettini in the SF and Medvedev in the final at AO/RG/Wimb. Only problem is he is 38, but Fed opting to play RG20 is a good sign.
 

octogon

Professional
I mean Nadal has to beat Fed's slam count decisively. By 2-3 slams for him to be GOAT.
If Fed's at 20 and Nadal's at 21 - people will argue about YE#1, Weeks at #1, no WTF etc etc.

OR If Nadal can win an AO slam title - that would be huge for him. It would be a double career slams, and then he could be considered better than Fed by just exceeding him by 1 slam. This is because a double career grand slam will help offset less weeks at #1 etc.
The only people who will argue for Fed over Nadal if Fed is on 20 and Nadal is on 21 are delusional Fed fans. The rest of the world will see Nadal will more slams and lopsided H2H against Fed and see Nadal as GOAT.

Only hard-core tennis nerds even notice th ings like weeks at no.1 or WTF.
The general public and mainstream media don't care, and that's who the GOAT debate is sold to...to keep interest in the sport, to generate money. Federer fans wildly exaggerate the importance of some of his stats or records in the overall GOAT debate. I bet if Fed passes Jimmy Connors for overall tour titles won, that will suddenly become a key GOAT metric.

The slam count trumps all. Then probably H2H after that.

Things like Masters record, Olympic Singles Gold, WTF, weeks at no.1 etc are for hard-core tennis nerds to talk about, but barely impact the GOAT debate in mainstream view.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Fed isn't beating this version of Medvedev.

But yes this thread aged rather hilariously to say the least. The Fedarlings were a hair overconfident.
This Medvedev has nothing on Fed. So yea, Fed stands a very good chance of beating him in a final.

As opposed to Nadalt-ards who claimed Nadal would over take Fed by 2017. We all know what happened.
 

MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
This Medvedev has nothing on Fed. So yea, Fed stands a very good chance of beating him in a final.

As opposed to Nadalt-ards who claimed Nadal would over take Fed by 2017. We all know what happened.
We'll see. When a young player starts to feel it and everything comes together then previous results don't seem to matter much. I don't really see how anyone could favor Fed with a straight face but hopefully we'll see a Fedvedev match soon.

I don't recall any Nadal fans saying he'd overtake Fed by 2017, however this thread really shows the level of disrespect, arrogance and overconfidence the Fed fans used to have. Dates don't really matter, nearly all the Fed fans on here are resigned to the fact that Rafa is at least tying him. Rather impressive to attained number 19 three years younger than the great Roger Federer.
 

titoelcolombiano

Hall of Fame
This thread will be interesting reading in 12 months' time no matter which way this goes. But for now I'm going to keep bullieving #20 in '20.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
The only people who will argue for Fed over Nadal if Fed is on 20 and Nadal is on 21 are delusional Fed fans. The rest of the world will see Nadal will more slams and lopsided H2H against Fed and see Nadal as GOAT.

Only hard-core tennis nerds even notice th ings like weeks at no.1 or WTF.
The general public and mainstream media don't care, and that's who the GOAT debate is sold to...to keep interest in the sport, to generate money. Federer fans wildly exaggerate the importance of some of his stats or records in the overall GOAT debate. I bet if Fed passes Jimmy Connors for overall tour titles won, that will suddenly become a key GOAT metric.

The slam count trumps all. Then probably H2H after that.

Things like Masters record, Olympic Singles Gold, WTF, weeks at no.1 etc are for hard-core tennis nerds to talk about, but barely impact the GOAT debate in mainstream view.
I agree with you that WTF and those things don’t matter much in the big picture outside of tennis "nerds". But H2H matters even less. Mostly those occasional viewers never knew how bad Federer’s record against Nadal was and were always surprised when I honestly mentioned it.

Generally it's Titles >>> Everything else
 

Sport

Legend
Even with 25 Slams, Nadal will never be the GOAT. It's about having a beautiful game. Santoro or Federer will always be the GOAT. Not Nadal, not Djokovic.
Even with 6 rings, Michael Jordan will never be the basketball GOAT. Tracy McGrady with 0 rings had a more beatiful game, so he is the GOAT.
 
I mean Nadal has to beat Fed's slam count decisively. By 2-3 slams for him to be GOAT.
If Fed's at 20 and Nadal's at 21 - people will argue about YE#1, Weeks at #1, no WTF etc etc.

OR If Nadal can win an AO slam title - that would be huge for him. It would be a double career slams, and then he could be considered better than Fed by just exceeding him by 1 slam. This is because a double career grand slam will help offset less weeks at #1 etc.
People will argue about anything. More MTOs, time wasting, not elegant. There is nowhere where diehard Fed fans will agree that Nadal is greater than him. Because that 'greatness' will morph from something that used to masquerade as objective and measurable to a purely subjective thing. Have you not seen the TT polls where Graf beats Serena something like 8-2? Go on, tell me, how many people do you meet IRL that believe that. Fed being GOAT is more or less a pure unshakable conviction. Even if Nadal wins a CYGS from here, his resume will be 'imbalanced'.
 

S'in-net

Semi-Pro
As the podium keeps moving Federer can take solace from the fact that he will at least, (for the moment), get to stay on the podium unlike Sampras who fell off the podium and well fell off

 

Sport

Legend
People will argue about anything. More MTOs, time wasting, not elegant. There is nowhere where diehard Fed fans will agree that Nadal is greater than him. Because that 'greatness' will morph from something that used to masquerade as objective and measurable to a purely subjective thing. Have you not seen the TT polls where Graf beats Serena something like 8-2? Go on, tell me, how many people do you meet IRL that believe that. Fed being GOAT is more or less a pure unshakable conviction. Even if Nadal wins a CYGS from here, his resume will be 'imbalanced'.
The number of Slams determines who the GOAT is in most people's minds. You mention the Serena vs Graff debate and conclude that because in TTW most people vote for Graff, Graff is generally considered better than Serena. Wrong. The TTW sample size is too little.

Check out this giant poll. After 7.000 votes, 55% of voters consider Serena to be the female GOAT, while only 20% of voters consider Graf to be the female GOAT:


The same applies to other sports. If, right now, appears a basketball player who wins 8 rings, being the MVP of the finals in the 8 finals, he will be considered the basketball GOAT. The problem is, no such player has emerged, so Jordan is still considered the best.

You are right that some contemporary Fed fans will have a hard time accepting Nadal as the GOAT (if he wins takes the Slam record). Other Fed fans will accept Nadal is the GOAT in this hypothetical scenario. But crucially, people from future generations, who have not grown supporitng Federer, will not have the same emotional attachment for Federer. Without such emotional attachment, they will no longer have any reason to consider Federer the GOAT, as they will see Nadal with more Majors and a positive H2H against Federer.

In short, maybe Nadal will not be the GOAT in most people minds just the first moment he takes the Slam record. But 50 years from now, when people have no emotional attachment to Federer as they did not grow up watching him, they will see Nadal is the GOAT if he has the Slam record.
 
The number of Slams determines who the GOAT is in most people's minds. You mention the Serena vs Graff debate and conclude that because in TTW most people vote for Graff, Graff is generally considered better than Serena. Wrong. The TTW sample size is too little.

Check out this giant poll. After 7.000 votes, 55% of voters consider Serena to be the female GOAT, while only 20% of voters consider Graf to be the female GOAT:


The same applies to other sports. If, right now, appears a basketball player who wins 8 rings, being the MVP of the finals in the 8 finals, he will be considered the basketball GOAT. The problem is, no such player has emerged, so Jordan is still considered the best.

You are right that some contemporary Fed fans will have a hard time accepting Nadal as the GOAT (if he wins takes the Slam record). Other Fed fans will accept Nadal is the GOAT in this hypothetical scenario. But crucially, people from future generations, who have not grown supporitng Federer, will not have the same emotional attachment for Federer. Without such emotional attachment, they will no longer have any reason to consider Federer the GOAT, as they will see Nadal with more Majors and a positive H2H against Federer.

In short, maybe Nadal will not be the GOAT in most people minds just the first moment he takes the Slam record. But 50 years from now, when people have no emotional attachment to Federer as they did not grow up watching him, they will see Nadal is the GOAT if he has the Slam record.
Oh dear, did you honest to God misconstrue me or did you deliberately misinterpret what I said so that you would be able to post that diatribe you were itching to get out of your system? Please read what I said again, especially the Graf-Serena part.
 

victorcruz

Professional
Every Fed fan who predicted Nadal had no chance to catch up to Fed easily was off by just one Berreappletini. Not bad.

Obviously there is still work to be done. Even though this thread bump has nothing but assumptions he will catch/surpass him. Let's not count our chickens yet!
 
Every Fed fan who predicted Nadal had no chance to catch up to Fed easily was off by just one Berreappletini. Not bad.

Obviously there is still work to be done. Even though this thread bump has nothing but assumptions he will catch/surpass him. Let's not count our chickens yet!
I never made such assumptions. I said Nadal will still probably not surpass Federer. However, this thread is still funny. According to the comments nobody could think that it will even get to 20-19 at some point.
 
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