Nadal Cannot Dominate a Season

[McEnroeisanartist]

It is amazing how little Nadal has dominated a season like Federer has.

Nadal finished 2011 with a record of 67-15. Federer lost only 15 matches total between 2004-2006.

Even in a terrible year like 2011, regardless of how Federer does in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, he will still have a higher winning % for the year than Nadal had in 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011.

Federer has had 3 seasons of a match winning % above 90%. Nadal has never won more than 90% of his matches in a season.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning at least 10 titles in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning at least 10 titles.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning 3 grand slams in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 3 grand slams in a season.

Federer has had 2 seasons of winning 4 Masters Series in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 4 Master Series in a season.

 

[Rjtennis]

I think a lot of it has to do with Nadal's playing style. That guy grinds out every point he plays and that takes a toll on the mind and body. I bet he rarely steps on the court with his body feeling 100%the way he plays.

 

[Towser83]

What were Nadal's W/L % in 06,07,09, and what's Federer's now? That is crazy if it's higher... I mean people argue Federer had a weak era, but this is Nadal's era right?, and it's supposed to be stronger but old man Fed has a better W/L than not only Nadal's season this year but most of them? I don't get how he even could have a better W/L this year, I thought Nadal had won more matches with maybe the same losses or less.

 

[Sentinel]

Nadal is a plodder, plain and simple.

 

[woodrow1029]

It is amazing how little Nadal has dominated a season like Federer has.

Nadal finished 2011 with a record of 67-15. Federer lost only 15 matches total between 2004-2006.

Even in a terrible year like 2011, regardless of how Federer does in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, he will still have a higher winning % for the year than Nadal had in 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011.

Federer has had 3 seasons of a match winning % above 90%. Nadal has never won more than 90% of his matches in a season.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning at least 10 titles in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning at least 10 titles.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning 3 grand slams in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 3 grand slams in a season.

Federer has had 2 seasons of winning 4 Masters Series in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 4 Master Series in a season.

You spelled one incorrectly several times

 

[McEnroeisanartist]

What were Nadal's W/L % in 06,07,09, and what's Federer's now? That is crazy if it's higher... I mean people argue Federer had a weak era, but this is Nadal's era right?, and it's supposed to be stronger but old man Fed has a better W/L than not only Nadal's season this year but most of them? I don't get how he even could have a better W/L this year, I thought Nadal had won more matches with maybe the same losses or less.

In 2006, Nadal was 59-19 (83.09%), in 2007, Nadal was 70-15 (82.35%), in 2009, Nadal was 66-14 (82.50%), in 2011 Nadal was 67-15 (81.71%).

If Federer lost in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, in 2011, he would be 62-13 (82.67%). If he wins the ATP Tour Finals, in 2011, he would be 64-12 (84.21%)

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

In 2006, Nadal was 59-19 (83.09%), in 2007, Nadal was 70-15 (82.35%), in 2009, Nadal was 66-14 (82.50%), in 2011 Nadal was 67-15 (81.71%).

If Federer lost in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, in 2011, he would be 62-13 (82.67%). If he wins the ATP Tour Finals, in 2011, he would be 64-12 (84.21%)

59-19 = 75.6% not 83.09%. How the hell did Nadal lose almost 20 matches in 2006!

 

[Sentinel]

You spelled one incorrectly several times

Give him a point penalty !

 

[monfed]

59-19 = 75.6% not 83.09%. How the hell did Nadal lose almost 20 matches in 2006!

What else can one expect from a claycourter? :lol:

 

[namelessone]

59-19 = 75.6% not 83.09%. How the hell did Nadal lose almost 20 matches in 2006!

You do realize that in 2006 Nadal had barely did anything outside of clay, right?

His one breakthrough was his first WB final.

There were some surprising moments though, like beating Fed in Dubai or making TMC SF. Those came out of nowhere considering his standard of play that year off clay.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

You do realize that in 2006 Nadal had barely did anything outside of clay, right?

His one breakthrough was his first WB final.

There were some surprising moments though, like beating Fed in Dubai or making TMC SF. Those came out of nowhere considering his standard of play that year off clay.

How can you beat peak Fed in Dubai and end up with 20 losses????????

 

[namelessone]

How can you beat peak Fed in Dubai and end up with 20 losses????????

Because you still pretty much suck on non-clay at the time?

Nadal lost to the following people on HC in 2006:

Fed,Berdych(twice),Johansson,Youzhny,Juan Carlos Ferrero,Moya,Blake,Clement.

His Fed win is literally the ONLY hardcourt highlight of his 2006.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Because you still pretty much suck on non-clay at the time?

Nadal lost to the following people on HC in 2006:

Fed,Berdych(twice),Johansson,Youzhny,Juan Carlos Ferrero,Moya,Blake,Clement.

His Fed win is literally the ONLY hardcourt highlight of his 2006.

I'd say the matchup issue was also a big part of it. Nadal's whole game is essentially geared towards Fed's. Otherwise, why wouldn't Nadal at his peak have a better than 90% W-L ratio.

 

[Towser83]

In 2006, Nadal was 59-19 (83.09%), in 2007, Nadal was 70-15 (82.35%), in 2009, Nadal was 66-14 (82.50%), in 2011 Nadal was 67-15 (81.71%).

If Federer lost in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, in 2011, he would be 62-13 (82.67%). If he wins the ATP Tour Finals, in 2011, he would be 64-12 (84.21%)

Thanks. Amazing that Federer still has a good w/l percentage even though he hasn't had a great year, just goes to show he has just missed out in a few big matches

 

[TTMR]

Thanks. Amazing that Federer still has a good w/l percentage even though he hasn't had a great year, just goes to show he has just missed out in a few big matches

And yet:

Federer career winning percentage - 81.23%

Nadal career winning percentage - 82.29%


*waits for the inevitable 'clay does not count as a surface' assertion*

 

[Towser83]

And yet:

Federer career winning percentage - 81.23%

Nadal career winning percentage - 82.29%


*waits for the inevitable 'clay does not count as a surface' caveat*

Clay doesn't count arguments are useless here, they only have a point in a H2H argument when many more meeting have been on that surface. It's not that the surface doesn't count as many incorrectly imply, but the AMOUNT of matches on the surface can make a H2H lopsided. Imagine Federer and Nadal playing twice on Clay and 20 times on indoor hard - Federer would (probably)have an unfair lead in H2H

However, if this is supposed to prove Nadal is better, you do realise that Federer's W/L % has dropped in the last few years and Nadal's will probably do the same? So given that Federer is 5 years older, that one percent doesn't mean much. 25 year old Nadalis in danger of having a lower percentage this year than 30 year old Federer.

 

[jokinla]

The title of this thread is misleading, since in 2010 he won 3 straight majors, which would be dominating a season, however in comparison to Fed, of course the answer is no, just further evidence as to Fed's GOAT status, but if you remove Fed, how many others have won 3 slams in a row?

 

[Agassifan]

And yet:

Federer career winning percentage - 81.23%

Nadal career winning percentage - 82.29%


*waits for the inevitable 'clay does not count as a surface' assertion*

huh! Everyone knows Fed's first few years were really bad... and Rafa is going to have more bad seasons

 

[monfed]

Yea and now Serbian chestbeater is owning Ultimate warrior on clay too. :lol:

 

[tacou]

2008 already happened bro

 

[Fate Archer]

Because you still pretty much suck on non-clay at the time?

Nadal lost to the following people on HC in 2006:

Fed,Berdych(twice),Johansson,Youzhny,Juan Carlos Ferrero,Moya,Blake,Clement.

His Fed win is literally the ONLY hardcourt highlight of his 2006.

He also beat his eternal hangman Nikolay Davydenko at the masters cup. Great victory by little Rafito, despite Davydenko not being in his prime. :twisted:

 

[SLD76]

What about 2008?

 

[Netzroller]

It is amazing how little Nadal has dominated a season like Federer has.

Nadal finished 2011 with a record of 67-15. Federer lost only 15 matches total between 2004-2006.

Even in a terrible year like 2011, regardless of how Federer does in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, he will still have a higher winning % for the year than Nadal had in 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011.

Federer has had 3 seasons of a match winning % above 90%. Nadal has never won more than 90% of his matches in a season.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning at least 10 titles in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning at least 10 titles.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning 3 grand slams in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 3 grand slams in a season.

Federer has had 2 seasons of winning 4 Masters Series in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 4 Master Series in a season.

The only thing amazing is how people like you can make such stupid threads...

Federer is the pinnacle of consistency, nobody has ever been dominated the way he has as proven by various records of his. Not only Nadal can't match this, nobody can.

Just because Nadal doesn't reach up to this standart, doesn't mean he is a bad player or can't dominate for a while. His 2010 was awesome, I think everyone would agree that he was the dominant player that year. Just because there have been even greater seasons doesn't take anything away from that achievement.

 

[SLD76]

The only thing amazing is how people like you can make such stupid threads...

Federer is the pinnacle of consistency, nobody has ever been dominated the way he has as proven by various records of his. Not only Nadal can't match this, nobody can.

Just because Nadal doesn't reach up to this standart, doesn't mean he is a bad player or can't dominate for a while. His 2010 was awesome, I think everyone would agree that he was the dominant player that year. Just because there have been even greater seasons doesn't take anything away from that achievement.

I think his argument isnt that Nadal is not great. His argument is speaking to the *******s who believe H2H=Goat.

 

[DragonBlaze]

The only thing amazing is how people like you can make such stupid threads...

Federer is the pinnacle of consistency, nobody has ever been dominated the way he has as proven by various records of his. Not only Nadal can't match this, nobody can.

Just because Nadal doesn't reach up to this standart, doesn't mean he is a bad player or can't dominate for a while. His 2010 was awesome, I think everyone would agree that he was the dominant player that year. Just because there have been even greater seasons doesn't take anything away from that achievement.

QFT. I was just about to say this.

 

[Sentinel]

Anyone recognize this feller ?

 

[MG1]

And yet:

Federer career winning percentage - 81.23%

Nadal career winning percentage - 82.29%


*waits for the inevitable 'clay does not count as a surface' assertion*

Hope nadal atleast play 2-3 more years than compare!!

major junk of fed losses due to pre 2003 period

 

[omniexist]

Everyone knows Nadal fades in the later half of the season...stating the obvious, no?

 

[zagor]

It is amazing how little Nadal has dominated a season like Federer has.

Nadal finished 2011 with a record of 67-15. Federer lost only 15 matches total between 2004-2006.

Even in a terrible year like 2011, regardless of how Federer does in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, he will still have a higher winning % for the year than Nadal had in 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011.

Federer has had 3 seasons of a match winning % above 90%. Nadal has never won more than 90% of his matches in a season.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning at least 10 titles in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning at least 10 titles.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning 3 grand slams in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 3 grand slams in a season.

Federer has had 2 seasons of winning 4 Masters Series in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 4 Master Series in a season.

So your title should be really "Nadal can't dominate a season to the extent Fed can/could" not just "Nadal can't dominate", Fed's standard of domination over the field are his own, not some universally expected standards every other player has to meet before it can be claimed he dominated a given year.

Heck I could say well nobody ever really dominated a single year in the history of tennis except Laver, afteral he won a CYGS, a feat which nobody repeated(so far). See how silly that sounds?

Nadal definitely can dominate a season and did so on two occasions so far, in 2008 and 2010.

 

[McEnroeisanartist]

So your title should be really "Nadal can't dominate a season to the extent Fed can/could" not just "Nadal can't dominate", Fed's standard of domination over the field are his own, not some universally expected standards every other player has to meet before it can be claimed he dominated a given year.

Heck I could say well nobody ever really dominated a single year in the history of tennis except Laver, afteral he won a CYGS, a feat which nobody repeated(so far). See how silly that sounds?

Nadal definitely can dominate a season and did so on two occasions so far, in 2008 and 2010.

"Its amazing how little Nadal has dominated a season like Federer has."

Yes, I agree that Nadal was a force in 2008 and 2010, but he didn't even manage to win 10 tournaments in either year. Also, in 2008, Federer won the same number of grand slam matches as Nadal. Although, Nadal obviously had the better year with one more grand slam. To me dominating a season is winning the Australian Open and the ATP Tour Finals in the same year with many wins in the middle.

 

[Mustard]

It is amazing how little Nadal has dominated a season like Federer has.

Nadal finished 2011 with a record of 67-15. Federer lost only 15 matches total between 2004-2006.

Even in a terrible year like 2011, regardless of how Federer does in the semifinals of the ATP Tour Finals, he will still have a higher winning % for the year than Nadal had in 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011.

Federer has had 3 seasons of a match winning % above 90%. Nadal has never won more than 90% of his matches in a season.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning at least 10 titles in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning at least 10 titles.

Federer has had 3 seasons of winning 3 grand slams in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 3 grand slams in a season.

Federer has had 2 seasons of winning 4 Masters Series in a season. Nadal has had won season of winning 4 Master Series in a season.

What Nadal has done, which Federer never has, is win 8 tournaments in 4 months, which Nadal did between April and August 2008. In this period, Nadal won Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Hamburg, the French Open, Queen's Club, Wimbledon, Toronto and the Beijing Olympics.

 

[Clarky21]

Anyone recognize this feller ?

Yeah,I recognize that feller. You should also remember him from Wimbledon,shouldn't you? :twisted:

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

What Nadal has done, which Federer never has, is win 8 tournaments in 4 months, which Nadal did between April and August 2008. In this period, Nadal won Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Hamburg, the French Open, Queen's Club, Wimbledon, Toronto and the Beijing Olympics.

So basically the tournament organizers had a part in Nadal's success since if they had simply moved the tournament 1 week later, your idiotic stat would be rendered impotent.

 

[Mustard]

So basically the tournament organizers had a part in Nadal's success since if they had simply moved the tournament 1 week later, your idiotic stat would be rendered impotent.

How could it be 1 week later with the US Open?

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

How could it be 1 week later with the US Open?

Jesus, are you being obtuse again????? The point is the 4 month span you quote is dependent on the tournament dates just happening to be spaced out like that, it has nothing to do with Nadal.

 

[Mustard]

In 2006, Nadal was 59-19 (83.09%), in 2007, Nadal was 70-15 (82.35%), in 2009, Nadal was 66-14 (82.50%), in 2011 Nadal was 67-15 (81.71%).

2006 is incorrect. Nadal was 59-12 in 2006, 83.10%.

 

[nikdom]

You bet he can't! Roger wins another year ender beating the best and Nadal probably never will.