Nadal Career GS Thread Deleted - Why??

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Bud

Bionic Poster
Moderators,

Why was the thread deleted? Can someone please look into it and restore it? It was in the General Pro Player Discussion forum.

I saw nothing in there that warranted this action.

Members will stop wasting their time constructing thoughtful posts on these subjects if someone is going to wipe out the entire thread.

If there's an offensive post in the thread, delete that but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This issue has become really frustrating, lately.

** I also posted this in the forum, in which the thread was deleted, to perhaps receive some insight from other members as to the reason it was axed.

Bud
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
<Mod Mode> The OP of those threads has been starting dozens of nonsense threads (or in the case of the one you ask about) topics which already exist elsewhere).

If you believe this to be incorrect, post here ... or e-mail me. (But first please SEARCH to see what I mean....)</Mod Mode>

- KK
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
I have a suggestion then.

Perhaps only members who have been on TT for a certain amount of time (say 3 months) or have a certain number of valid posts (say 100) should be allowed to start new threads.

Or... perhaps members with fewer than 100 posts be allowed to start only 1 new thread per day.

I'm sure others are frustrated when they put some thought into their posts to see them completely obliterated because there's an issue with the OP.

There has to be a better solution.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I also had two of my threads deleted in the past couple of days, one in the Pro Player forum and one in the Match Results forum for no reason that I could see. They were both getting a lot of good active discussions, and AFAIK, no one was being offensive nor breaking any forum rules. They were just fun threads that everyone seemed to be enjoying.

I have no idea why the entire threads were deleted. If there were indeed inappropriate posts, why not just delete those posts?

I think these random thread deletions are keeping people from wanting to make thoughtful posts at the risk of wasting their time.
 

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
I think something strange is happening here. A couple of threads seem to have just been removed, and the discussion was about buns? Now I realise buns may not seem to have a lot to do with tennis, but us tennis players do get hungry you know:)

I say beware of the bun police, they are watching us all:):)
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
A couple of threads seem to have just been removed, and the discussion was about buns? Now I realise buns may not seem to have a lot to do with tennis, but us tennis players do get hungry you know
I just reviewed the Log. There's nothing in the first three pages of deletions like what you are referencing. Maybe you are confusing your bun thread from another forum.

- KK
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
... members with fewer than 100 posts be allowed to start only 1 new thread per day.
Similar suggestions have been discussed in the past. I cannot help you with more info....

I'm sure others are frustrated when they put some thought into their posts to see them completely obliterated because there's an issue with the OP.
Seriously??? You posted a single time in the thread you are citing. Your post was two lines long. I think you are exaggerating just a little....

- KK
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
I also had two of my threads deleted in the past couple of days, one in the Pro Player forum and one in the Match Results forum for no reason that I could see. They were both getting a lot of good active discussions, and AFAIK, no one was being offensive nor breaking any forum rules. They were just fun threads that everyone seemed to be enjoying.

I have no idea why the entire threads were deleted. If there were indeed inappropriate posts, why not just delete those posts?

I think these random thread deletions are keeping people from wanting to make thoughtful posts at the risk of wasting their time.

Strongly agree!

** This may be completely unrelated but there are a few threads where I can't access the last page of the thread unless I make a new post in that thread.

For example if a thread has 26 pages... I can only access pages 1-25. Page 26 remains inaccessible, unless I make another new post, at which point I can then access all the pages. However, when page 27 is created... I can only access pages 1-26 unless I create another new post :twisted:
 
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saram

Legend
Strongly agree!

** This may be completely unrelated but there are a few threads where I can't access the last page of the thread unless I make a new post in that thread.

For example if a thread has 26 pages... I can only access pages 1-25. Page 26 remains inaccessible, unless I make another new post, at which point I can then access all the pages. However, when page 27 is created... I can only access pages 1-26 unless I create another new post :twisted:

And yet you made a thoughtful post here....oh, the irony :twisted:
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Similar suggestions have been discussed in the past. I cannot help you with more info....

Seriously??? You posted a single time in the thread you are citing. Your post was two lines long. I think you are exaggerating just a little....

- KK

No, I posted once that you saw and was attempting to post again. When I went to go post you'd deleted the thread and it stated Invalid.

Why are you doing this? There was nothing in that thread to warrant deleting the entire thread.

Here is what I posted in that thread:

I think you can add a couple more required achievements to that list.

He also needs to bypass Agassi in Master's titles and Sampras in GS titles. If Federer happens to bypass Sampras... then he needs to bypass Federer in GS titles.

What would really cement that type of status would be Nadal winning every GS title at least 2 times.

When he can do all that... then, we'll declare him GOAT and he will have, unarguably, earned the title.

Is that two lines long?
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Strongly agree!

** This may be completely unrelated but there are a few threads where I can't access the last page of the thread unless I make a new post in that thread.

For example if a thread has 26 pages... I can only access pages 1-25. Page 26 remains inaccessible, unless I make another new post, at which point I can then access all the pages. However, when page 27 is created... I can only access pages 1-26 unless I create another new post :twisted:
And yet you made a thoughtful post here....oh, the irony :twisted:

I'm pointing out an issue with the forum operation. Please don't pollute this thread with nonsense.

There are many people upset because threads and posts are being deleted for no rhyme or reason.
 
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saram

Legend
Bud,

I ranted and raved and received a warning for challenging the mods...

In the end, I woke up and realized that the sun still rose and the sun still set. I still had my daughter and I could still play tennis. I realized that the world does not revolve around my opinions and thoughts in a tennis forum.

The mods deleted my stuff--big deal. I still woke up, spent time with my daughter, enjoyed a sunrise and sunset and played tennis. Life was grand--even if no one heard or read what I said...

Just food for thought.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Bud,

I ranted and raved and received a warning for challenging the mods...

In the end, I woke up and realized that the sun still rose and the sun still set. I still had my daughter and I could still play tennis. I realized that the world does not revolve around my opinions and thoughts in a tennis forum.

The mods deleted my stuff--big deal. I still woke up, spent time with my daughter, enjoyed a sunrise and sunset and played tennis. Life was grand--even if no one heard or read what I said...

Just food for thought.

Thanks for your opinion. However, It is a big deal.

Again, please don't pollute this thread.
 

saram

Legend
Thanks for your opinion. However, It is a big deal.

Again, please don't pollute this thread.

Well, I hope they can fix it for you so the sun rises tomorrow--I have to play tennis at 10am....good luck.
 

SFrazeur

Legend
I have a suggestion then.

Perhaps only members who have been on TT for a certain amount of time (say 3 months) or have a certain number of valid posts (say 100) should be allowed to start new threads.

Or... perhaps members with fewer than 100 posts be allowed to start only 1 new thread per day.


I'm sure others are frustrated when they put some thought into their posts to see them completely obliterated because there's an issue with the OP.

There has to be a better solution.

I have never been a proponent of the minimum post count to start a thread, however, limiting thread creation to 1 one per day for new users is a quality idea.

-SF
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
I have never been a proponent of the minimum post count to start a thread, however, limiting thread creation to 1 one per day for new users is a quality idea.

-SF

Thanks... was just throwing some ideas out there :)
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
I participate on [counting] eleven different forums. (Six of them, very intermittently.) I've never seen anything like the limit of threads-started-per-day for New Users. (It doesn't mean it can't be done; I've just never seen it.)

If it CAN be done, I think it's a great idea. (But a Mod's "vote" on this has no more "weight" than any other TT-ers....)

- KK


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drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Talk Tennis National Meet-up Go to this thread and vote on a city ... choose a date ... volunteer your services. Let's see how many HUNDRED TT-ers we can draw to a great time of socializing, tennis, maybe even clinics, fun, tennis, visiting, tennis and FUN!

Hurry! The location vote ENDS soon!

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and also, the thread may be deletd soon. :)
 

TW Staff

Administrator
Moderators,

Why was the thread deleted? Can someone please look into it and restore it? It was in the General Pro Player Discussion forum.

I saw nothing in there that warranted this action.

Members will stop wasting their time constructing thoughtful posts on these subjects if someone is going to wipe out the entire thread.

If there's an offensive post in the thread, delete that but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This issue has become really frustrating, lately.

** I also posted this in the forum, in which the thread was deleted, to perhaps receive some insight from other members as to the reason it was axed.

Bud

I went ahead and restored the thread in question.

Spencer, TW.
 

TW Staff

Administrator
But while we're on the subject of deleted threads, let's be honest.

Lately there's been a lot of garbage being posted that end up in the same place....fed fans ripping nadal, and nadal fans ripping fed. It's quite tiresome.

Not to mention the spammers trying to build post counts, etc.

You guys want your cake and eat it too when it comes to this forum..."why did you delete that....why didn't you delete that...."

Everyone has their opinions, which makes for good conversation, but we will always do what we think is best for the board and the users on it. We don't have an agenda and we don't play favorites. We won't always be right, but we do our best.

Spencer, TW.
 
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canadave

Professional
I participate on [counting] eleven different forums. (Six of them, very intermittently.) I've never seen anything like the limit of threads-started-per-day for New Users. (It doesn't mean it can't be done; I've just never seen it.)

If it CAN be done, I think it's a great idea. (But a Mod's "vote" on this has no more "weight" than any other TT-ers....)

- KK

This would be how to do it:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289450
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
But while we're on the subject of deleted threads, let's be honest.

Lately there's been a lot of garbage being posted that end up in the same place....fed fans ripping nadal, and nadal fans ripping fed. It's quite tiresome.

Not to mention the spammers trying to build post counts, etc.

You guys want your cake and eat it too when it comes to this forum..."why did you delete that....why didn't you delete that...."

Everyone has their opinions, which makes for good conversation, but we will always do what we think is best for the board and the users on it. We don't have an agenda and we don't play favorites. We won't always be right, but we do our best.

Spencer, TW.

Spencer, you don't have an agenda and I agree with that.

I would suggest that people should not become moderators to satisfy their control freak tendencies, which is a classic sign of the conservative personality disorder. You will find such old people actively trying to get on juries, school boards, etc., outwardly for serving the community, but in reality to impose their narrow views on society. TW needs to be wary of such people as they cause a loss of faith in the moderating process by introducing bias, and could lead to loss of business by either chasing away customers themselves, or keeping quiet when others do.
 

canadave

Professional

Actually, in thinking about this some more, restricting new users from creating threads will probably only lead to more problems. Often people join the forum because they have a question they've never had before, and they stumble on TT and decide to ask their question. If you prevent them from creating a new thread, they'll either go away (and thus you've discouraged a person who might have become a useful and helpful continuing contributor afterward), or they'll just reply to an existing thread so they can ask their own unrelated question...thus hijacking said thread.

See this post as an example of what I'm saying. If posts were restricted for new users, this fellow wouldn't have been able to ask his perfectly legitimate question:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=3297130#post3297130
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
Bud, I owe you an apology. When I posted my "two line" comment, I got the thread in-question mixed up with another recently deleted thread. Sorry about that....

- KK
 
There was a thread about 9/11 that was deleted unfairly in my opinion. It remained in R&R. It was deleted when a poster started posting personal information and insults of another poster. Why? It seemed to reward that behavior. The conversation among posters who frequented that thread remained civil, but rather than delete the posts in question the whole thing was deleted.

There are several controversial topics in that section. I don't know why that one had to be deleted, particularly since it lasted so long and contained a lot of interesting discourse.
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
Actually, in thinking about this some more, restricting new users from creating threads will probably only lead to more problems. Often people join the forum because they have a question they've never had before, and they stumble on TT and decide to ask their question. If you prevent them from creating a new thread, they'll either go away (and thus you've discouraged a person who might have become a useful and helpful continuing contributor afterward), or they'll just reply to an existing thread so they can ask their own unrelated question...thus hijacking said thread.

See this post as an example of what I'm saying. If posts were restricted for new users, this fellow wouldn't have been able to ask his perfectly legitimate question:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=3297130#post3297130

While you do bring up a good point, there ought to be some restrictions. Some new posters are posting, 3, 4, 5 threads on the SAME topic, sometimes in the same section (check out the racquet section... some guy's asking for ti rads). Perhaps the limit should apply to all posters- make it... say have people start out being able to post 5 threads a day, and then work theirselves up. In all honesty, who would create more than that, especially if they were new?
 
S

Slicendicer

Guest
OK, now two more threads were just axed. Who is doing this?

As you know, Roger Federer recently joined TalkTennis, and seeing how upset he was after losing the Australian Open, I assume he asked the mod's to delete any such threads hailing Rafa Nadal's meteoric rise to Grand Slam victories. It is just too painful of a memory, as you know it's killing him... Federer that is.

KK, isn't that what happened?
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
There was a thread about 9/11 that was deleted unfairly in my opinion. It remained in R&R. It was deleted when a poster started posting personal information and insults of another poster. Why? It seemed to reward that behavior. The conversation among posters who frequented that thread remained civil, but rather than delete the posts in question the whole thing was deleted.

There are several controversial topics in that section. I don't know why that one had to be deleted, particularly since it lasted so long and contained a lot of interesting discourse.

Thanks Storm. This was my earlier point. It's not right that good posts and interesting conversation are wiped out senselessly.

It's like killing a mosquito with a shotgun :shock:
 

Mdubb23

Hall of Fame
I definitely do not think that the idea restricting thread-starters to posters with sufficent post counts should be put into action. Some of the most knowledgable posters on TT have extremely low post counts because of time constraints (Ron Yu, Tennisprov1, etc...) and to prevent them from starting threads would be downright dumb. And, Bud, no offense by any means (you are a great guy, and I understand that), but I truly think you need to "lay off" the mods a bit. They have an exceptionally difficult job, a job for which they volunteer for, which entails running and keeping the most popular tennis-related forum in the world up and running smoothly. There are tens of thousands of posters and less than ten mods on the boards, so just try to understand the difficulties of their situation. While you, in my opinion, are 110% correct that many of the threads you indicated were deleted without good enough reason, just try to better appreciate the trouble that they go through for us. Just my thoughts.
 

10sfreak

Semi-Pro
Spencer, you don't have an agenda and I agree with that.

I would suggest that people should not become moderators to satisfy their control freak tendencies, which is a classic sign of the conservative personality disorder. You will find such old people actively trying to get on juries, school boards, etc., outwardly for serving the community, but in reality to impose their narrow views on society. TW needs to be wary of such people as they cause a loss of faith in the moderating process by introducing bias, and could lead to loss of business by either chasing away customers themselves, or keeping quiet when others do.
I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that posts like the above in bold are a common reason discussions in threads get so heated. An attack on others' socio/political views, out of the blue and completely unwarranted, not to mention irrelevant, is what gets arguments started...
 

Deuce

Banned
I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that posts like the above in bold are a common reason discussions in threads get so heated. An attack on others' socio/political views, out of the blue and completely unwarranted, not to mention irrelevant, is what gets arguments started...
Interesting.
Personally, I found sureshs' post quite fitting...

I'd even say that the more that uncomfortable truths like that are posted openly, rather than hidden, the more chance that the problem in question will be remedied.
 

canadave

Professional
While you do bring up a good point, there ought to be some restrictions. Some new posters are posting, 3, 4, 5 threads on the SAME topic, sometimes in the same section (check out the racquet section... some guy's asking for ti rads). Perhaps the limit should apply to all posters- make it... say have people start out being able to post 5 threads a day, and then work theirselves up. In all honesty, who would create more than that, especially if they were new?

Some people might, if they're enthusiastic and thrilled to have found this forum. I know I was pretty excited when I first joined...I didn't realize such a place existed! If I was of a more excitable bent, I might've felt compelled to post a flurry of first posts.

In any case, I think the best guard against the scenario you describe is simply efficient moderation, which I think is exactly what we have here 99% of the time. The other 1% of the time is when moderators prove they're only human ;)
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
I definitely do not think that the idea restricting thread-starters to posters with sufficent post counts should be put into action. Some of the most knowledgable posters on TT have extremely low post counts because of time constraints (Ron Yu, Tennisprov1, etc...) and to prevent them from starting threads would be downright dumb. And, Bud, no offense by any means (you are a great guy, and I understand that), but I truly think you need to "lay off" the mods a bit. They have an exceptionally difficult job, a job for which they volunteer for, which entails running and keeping the most popular tennis-related forum in the world up and running smoothly. There are tens of thousands of posters and less than ten mods on the boards, so just try to understand the difficulties of their situation. While you, in my opinion, are 110% correct that many of the threads you indicated were deleted without good enough reason, just try to better appreciate the trouble that they go through for us. Just my thoughts.

Thanks for your opinion. However, you're unaware of some things. So, please stick to the topic.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Spencer, you don't have an agenda and I agree with that.

I would suggest that people should not become moderators to satisfy their control freak tendencies, which is a classic sign of the conservative personality disorder. You will find such old people actively trying to get on juries, school boards, etc., outwardly for serving the community, but in reality to impose their narrow views on society. TW needs to be wary of such people as they cause a loss of faith in the moderating process by introducing bias, and could lead to loss of business by either chasing away customers themselves, or keeping quiet when others do.

I'm going to strongly agree with you, here.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Spencer, you don't have an agenda and I agree with that.

I would suggest that people should not become moderators to satisfy their control freak tendencies, which is a classic sign of the conservative personality disorder. You will find such old people actively trying to get on juries, school boards, etc., outwardly for serving the community, but in reality to impose their narrow views on society. TW needs to be wary of such people as they cause a loss of faith in the moderating process by introducing bias, and could lead to loss of business by either chasing away customers themselves, or keeping quiet when others do.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that posts like the above in bold are a common reason discussions in threads get so heated. An attack on others' socio/political views, out of the blue and completely unwarranted, not to mention irrelevant, is what gets arguments started...

The poster above you has a good point. He's referring to moderators, not other regular TT members (i.e. those without moderator privileges and power)

When acting as a moderator, one should not involve themselves in posting their personal views, especially on controversial topics. Their job, IMO, is to act as a completely objective, non-biased viewpoint when an issue may get slightly out of hand between regular members. Once that line is crossed, the door to abuse is ajar.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
When acting as a moderator, one should not involve themselves in posting their personal views, especially on controversial topics.
If the Moderator position was a *paid* role I might be inclined to agree. But, when I was asked to be a Mod, I was specifically told my position did not mean I could not have an opinion in discussions. (You should try and be one. Everybody loves you and is especially courteous to you....)

If you find a forum where the Mods are handcuffed like you suggest, please warn the rest of us away from it. It will either be boring ... or a flame fest.

- KK
 

diredesire

Moderator
I'll have to agree with KK here (how cliche!). In general (the vast majority of the time) I see good practices going on behind the scene. KK, like myself do our best to be un-biased, but TT is nice in that we can post and contribute just like any other regular user can.

I think the accusations are blown out of proportion, but that's probably because I see how much KK is helping the boards. I'm a pretty laid back guy, but I'll lend my services as a reality check for KK, as well. I've un-deleted and deleted stuff that KK has moderated, and I fully expect him to do the same for me :)

Cheers!




(btw, I think this thread is a healthy one)
 

TW Staff

Administrator
Bud,

You've stated your opinion in several posts....we appreciate your concern.

It's time to move on.

Spencer, TW.

...thread closed...
 
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