Nadal cheating against Almagro

The Swiss also revealed he had used a toilet break to his advantage at the end of the first set after Davydenko had broken him twice to take the initiative. "I was having problems with the sun in my eyes also in the opening set," Federer said. "I was waiting for it to move. I never use my toilet breaks so I thought I will use it and I hoped that maybe in that time the sun would move maybe one centimetre, maybe three.
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tennisaddict said:
To avoid giving the satisfaction to the opponent that they won it outright ?
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I didn't know denying the opponent "satisfaction" was in any way advantageous... If anything it gives the guy some extra rest now that he doesn't have to complete the match.

And two of Novak's Slam retirements came at 1 set all. Not exactly hopelessly lost matches
 
jm1980 said:
I didn't know denying the opponent "satisfaction" was in any way advantageous... If anything it gives the guy some extra rest now that he doesn't have to complete the match.

And two of Novak's Slam retirements came at 1 set all. Not exactly hopelessly lost matches
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No, It leaves an element of doubt all the time in the opponent as to "what could have been". That is why always you see the winning player say 'It is a shame' or 'Not really the way I wanted to win"
 
tennisaddict said:
No, It leaves an element of doubt all the time in the opponent as to "what could have been". That is why always you see the winning player say 'It is a shame' or 'Not really the way I wanted to win"
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Is this like that "logic" where you lose in order to win? Like, saying Novak is "faking" an injury, dropping games/sets in the process and then somehow winning the match?

Also, Djokovic is one of the best ever at coming back from 1-2 down. Do you think he would give up at 1-1 and down in the third because he thinks he can't win?

Records when down 1-2 in Slams:

Djokovic: 13-15 (0.464)
Murray: 11-18 (0.379)
Nadal: 8-15 (0.348)
Federer: 10-23 (0.303)

If he retires it's because there is a serious impediment that prevents him from completing the match.
 
jm1980 said:
Is this like that "logic" where you lose in order to win? Like, saying Novak is "faking" an injury, dropping games/sets in the process and then somehow winning the match?

Also, Djokovic is one of the best ever at coming back from 1-2 down. Do you think he would give up at 1-1 and down in the third because he thinks he can't win?

Records when down 1-2 in Slams:

Djokovic: 13-15 (0.464)
Murray: 11-18 (0.379)
Nadal: 8-15 (0.348)
Federer: 10-23 (0.303)

If he retires it's because there is a serious impediment that prevents him from completing the match.
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It is like the saying "winning begets winning".

Novak knew pre-2011 that if he were to lose all those tight matches outright, opponents will never fear him later on in his career. So, he tanked strategically gaining a long term advantage. Also, he conserved himself for the next tournaments and would continue playing as long as he was winning .

Look at what is happening to Rafa. He was an expert in closing out matches. The recent losses have made his bunnies not fear him and now they win all those close matches.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Lol I love how Soderling points to a ball mark that was like a foot or two to the right of where Rafa's shot landed, lol.

I think it won't be long before we have hawkeye even on clay courts.
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It was at least 3 feet, taking into account ball had fallen in front of him and he had not moved from that position much, Soderling had to stretch extreme right to point to the mark. It was ridiculous.

There are numerous instances where the ball mark have caused unnecessary issues.

Novak even after hitting the winner on break point loses the game on his serve (19:17), Pascal again

Troicki created a hilarious ruckus and it was still unclear whether the ball was in or out

Andy was unhappy with the call

Federer challenges a call and he was wrong, but all the confusion could had been avoided if players could use hawkeye
 
Boom-Boom said:
That ball was clearly in...for everyone but Nadal and the umpire - you could see the white mark on the line at impact when watching live on TV :confused:
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Nadal did not say it was out. he pointed the right mark, did not know if the ball was out or in, and the umpire made the call as it is his job. As usual this thread would not have happened if the opponent of Almagro was Thiem, or Schwartzmann, but since it was Nadal, of course Boom-Boom has to accuse him of cheating. Nadal always cheats and fakes, remember the blisters in Australia? :) fake as hell!
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Nadal did not say it was out. he pointed the right mark, did not know if the ball was out or in, and the umpire made the call as it is his job. As usual this thread would not have happened if the opponent of Almagro was Thiem, or Schwartzmann, but since it was Nadal, of course Boom-Boom has to accuse him of cheating. Nadal always cheats and fakes, remember the blisters in Australia? :) fake as hell!
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Lol 'did not know' when the ball was clearly wiping the line at impact :D
 
Boom-Boom said:
Lol 'did not know' when the ball was clearly wiping the line at impact :D
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If this is your definition of cheating...
btw nothing Nadal ever did in his entire career was as shameful as Becker against Berasategui in their Monte Carlo encounter, when Becker dived and tried to hit a volley that bounced on his own side of the court before landing into the other side, umpire blinked, Berasategui went mad, Becker went back to his baseline refusing to make any eye contact with both the umpire and Berasategui. Your probably forgot that match or refuse to remember :Dthanks God Berasategui won in the end.
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
If this is your definition of cheating...
btw nothing Nadal ever did in his entire career was as shameful as Becker against Berasategui in their Monte Carlo encounter, when Becker dived and tried to hit a volley that bounced on his own side of the court before landing into the other side, umpire blinked, Berasategui went mad, Becker went back to his baseline refusing to make any eye contact with both the umpire and Berasategui. Your probably forgot that match or refuse to remember :Dthanks God Berasategui won in the end.
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Nadal is a cheat, deal with it: on court coaching, fake MTOs, blacklisting umpires, taking 1mn between points etc etc

This thread is just about another blatant example, nothing new under the sun so don't see why you getting that excited about it :p
 
I dont get excited, just pointing out that even your idol has his dark side but you still like him . You hated Nadal, still hate him and will hate him even after retiring, I have no choice but to accept it :) but in the present case, the match vs Almagro I don't see how he cheated.

And time between points, MTO are not the reason why he is so hated, Del Potro takes a lot of time between points as well, and even took a MTO once at 3-5 in final tie break vs Nieminen (2013 Monte Carlo). Del Potro is loved on this forum and by general tennis fans. So yes Nadal is hated for something else, we all know what :)
 
BP at 5-5 looked good to me, looked like it bounced on top of the line. I rewinded back and forth, no way it was out.

Ferrer went straight to the net when Thiem´s MP ace was called out. Nice to see :)
 
zep said:
Are you stupid or something? Linesman called it out, Nadal checked it and called the umpire to make a decision because it was close and the umpire ruled it out too. How is that cheating?

or is this some kind of sarcasm that I'm not getting? :rolleyes:
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I think so too. May be she is being sarcastic?
I mean she is saying she saw what the chair and linesman can't see.. She didn't need to see a replay to post the thread. She can't be that stupid.
 
There is not a player on the tour with more respect for the game and the rules than the Golden Bull.
 
weakera said:
There is not a player on the tour with more respect for the game and the rules than the Golden Bull.
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uliks said:
Or Federer's strategic bathroom break against Davydenko...;)
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People will justify that by saying that is technically not cheating, it's within the rules blah blah blah. When Nadal or Djokovic do anything that merely resembles non Federer like behaviour they should face a firing squad.
 
YetAnotherFedFan said:
I was watching the match with live commentary in Spanish and they said, something along the lines of, it looked in to us, to Almagro, to Nadal yet the umpire confirmed the linesman's call that it was out.

It looked 100% in to my eyes...
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Agree. I was watching the match live as well but with English commentary. The commentators were adamant the ball was in. The replay confirmed it.

Nadal indicated to the umpire that he should come and have a look. If the umpire made a mistake which in the instance he did it has nothing to do with Nadal. It's not for Nadal to make a decision, that's why you have an umpire.
 
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