Nadal close to surpassing Federer's time in the top 2

timnz

Legend
Time in the top 2 at the time of writing:

Federer 424 weeks (302 weeks number 1 + 122 weeks number 2)

Nadal 403 weeks (141 weeks number 1 + 262 weeks number 2)

Federer is going to be number 2 or higher for at least a couple of months more. And possibly at other times going forward. But you have to think that Nadal will win out in the end, given that there isn't much of a gap currently.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
I think it will be a tight race. I see Nishikori getting there soon. Also, Fed should be there for at least 6 momths.
 
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Deleted member 688153

Guest
Pretty cool, but it is weeks at #1 that matters.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Time in the top 2 at the time of writing:

Federer 424 weeks (302 weeks number 1 + 122 weeks number 2)

Nadal 403 weeks (141 weeks number 1 + 262 weeks number 2)

Federer is going to be number 2 or higher for at least a couple of months more. And possibly at other times going forward. But you have to think that Nadal will win out in the end, given that there isn't much of a gap currently.

Can you add top-3 to the stats? Cheers
 

reaper

Legend
Federer is nearly 3000 points in front of Nadal at the moment. He's likely to be number 2 until Wimbledon at least barring a disasterous first half of 2015. That puts him 50+ weeks in front of Nadal for time in the top 2.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
What pleases me a lot is that so many people predicted a Borg-like ending for Nadal when he was a teenager. I mean really it was almost a consensus that at 25 he would be washed out. And here we are: 28 and still winning big titles!
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Federer is nearly 3000 points in front of Nadal at the moment. He's likely to be number 2 until Wimbledon at least barring a disasterous first half of 2015. That puts him 50+ weeks in front of Nadal for time in the top 2.

Wow. Never thought something like this would ever happen again. Almost LMAOing right now....
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Wow. Never thought something like this would ever happen again. Almost LMAOing right now....



I must say I thought Fed would steadily decline after 2008. But that's not what happened. He scored big in 2009 and 2012.
Then in 2013, I thought it was the end, again!
But in 2014 : as many big finals as Djoko: 7 and #2. At 33. He's hanging on much better than I thought he would.
I know he was helped by both Nadal's time out and Murray struggling post surgery but still. He's really holding up well vs the younger guys.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
I must say I thought Fed would steadily decline after 2008. But that's not what happened. He scored big in 2009 and 2012.
Then in 2013, I thought it was the end, again!
But in 2014 : as many big finals as Djoko: 7 and #2. At 33. He's hanging on much better than I thought he would.
I know he was helped by both Nadal's time out and Murray struggling post surgery but still. He's really holding up well vs the younger guys.

I still thought he would do really well after 2008, it was only after 2011 I thought the downhill struggle would begin and he would not climb up it again. 2013 was even moreso that thought.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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Time in top 2 only matters if you're #1 during that time.
 

falstaff78

Hall of Fame
Tim where are you sourcing weeks at number two stats? Have looked around and found a bunch of different numbers.

For example tennis28 says Nadal has 245 weeks at no 2
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Time in the top 2 at the time of writing:

Federer 424 weeks (302 weeks number 1 + 122 weeks number 2)

Nadal 403 weeks (141 weeks number 1 + 262 weeks number 2)

Federer is going to be number 2 or higher for at least a couple of months more. And possibly at other times going forward. But you have to think that Nadal will win out in the end, given that there isn't much of a gap currently.

I think it's an insane stat by both. Given the age difference, I reckon it's only a matter of time before Nadal takes the lead.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Haha sure its an great achievement for Nadal but comparing it to roger is irrelevant.

I think anyone has rather 302 weeks at number one than 800 weeks at number 2 + 141 weeks at number 1, no?
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Haha sure its an great achievement for Nadal but comparing it to roger is irrelevant.

I think anyone has rather 302 weeks at number one than 800 weeks at number 2 + 141 weeks at number 1, no?

Why is it irrelevant? At world #2 for such an extended period, he's consistently better than the whole field, except for one man. This is a meaningful achievement in my book.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Why is it irrelevant? At world #2 for such an extended period, he's consistently better than the whole field, except for one man. This is a meaningful achievement in my book.

Well I said it's a great achievement for Nadal, but comparing it to Federer is irrelevant cause it doesn't matter if Nadal surpasses federer in ''weeks at top2'' cause its the total of #1 that matters.

Federer has more weeks at #1 than what Nadal has at #2.
 

baobabz

New User
Why is it irrelevant? At world #2 for such an extended period, he's consistently better than the whole field, except for one man. This is a meaningful achievement in my book.

Hahaha... Nadal is consistently better than the whole field, except for one man... but that one man, Nadal consistently beats.
 

dh003i

Legend
What him being at #2 for so long means is he consistently won more than the rest of the field, except for the #1 player. Or he was consisently better than the rest of the field outside of the top 2, but not as much as the #1 was.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
What pleases me a lot is that so many people predicted a Borg-like ending for Nadal when he was a teenager. I mean really it was almost a consensus that at 25 he would be washed out. And here we are: 28 and still winning big titles!

Yes, very weird.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
What pleases me a lot is that so many people predicted a Borg-like ending for Nadal when he was a teenager. I mean really it was almost a consensus that at 25 he would be washed out. And here we are: 28 and still winning big titles!

Thanks to the modern technologies like stem cell treatment. It's great to have Rafa still playing his prime tennis in 2014.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Interesting stats. Fed will have a good lead once he's done with this spell though. With Rafa not playing full seasons, there's no guarantee he'll catch up quickly, but he has that chance.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Rafa owned clay and Fed happened to put himself in the finals.

Fed owned Hard and Grass and Rafa failed to meet his end of the bargain.

If the met equal number of times in the first half and second half of calendar, the h2h is 8-11 or 28-20 , depending on the number of matches played.
 
What pleases me a lot is that so many people predicted a Borg-like ending for Nadal when he was a teenager. I mean really it was almost a consensus that at 25 he would be washed out. And here we are: 28 and still winning big titles!

He is here because of his part time professional career.

He would have burned, if he was playing non-stop.

Besides, Borg quit more bacause of his problems with the governing bodies, whereas Nadal is enjoying unprecedented tolerance from them.
 

The-Champ

Legend
He is here because of his part time professional career.

He would have burned, if he was playing non-stop.

Besides, Borg quit more bacause of his problems with the governing bodies, whereas Nadal is enjoying unprecedented tolerance from them.

Borg retired early because he was fed up with tennis. My source was his interview with Swedish television last year. He got tired of travelling, and training. Had he played today, he would have retired even earlier, knowing how much training todays players have to go through to stay competitive.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I must say I thought Fed would steadily decline after 2008. But that's not what happened. He scored big in 2009 and 2012.
Then in 2013, I thought it was the end, again!
But in 2014 : as many big finals as Djoko: 7 and #2. At 33. He's hanging on much better than I thought he would.
I know he was helped by both Nadal's time out and Murray struggling post surgery but still. He's really holding up well vs the younger guys.

You could say the exact same thing about Djokovic. You don't think Djokovic has been helped somewhat as well by Nadal's absence and Murray's struggling? Think again.
 

Nadal>>>>>Federer

Professional
Well I said it's a great achievement for Nadal, but comparing it to Federer is irrelevant cause it doesn't matter if Nadal surpasses federer in ''weeks at top2'' cause its the total of #1 that matters.

Federer has more weeks at #1 than what Nadal has at #2.

So if novak passes Rafa at #1 will that make him better despite have half the slams?
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Time in the top 2 at the time of writing:

Federer 424 weeks (302 weeks number 1 + 122 weeks number 2)

Nadal 403 weeks (141 weeks number 1 + 262 weeks number 2)

Federer is going to be number 2 or higher for at least a couple of months more. And possibly at other times going forward. But you have to think that Nadal will win out in the end, given that there isn't much of a gap currently.

What is Pete's record, by the way? Also has anyone from all-time greats come close or even has a better record?
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
NO. There are a lot of hypocritical posters on TT. You can't be considered greater than your rival if you have half the number of slams. The idea is idiotic.

But how can you be considered better if your rival was nr.1 more time than you?
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
You could say the exact same thing about Djokovic. You don't think Djokovic has been helped somewhat as well by Nadal's absence and Murray's struggling? Think again.


Sure but between the 2, Djoko would have more chances to win some big ones vs Nadal than Fed would. So Nadal's absence is helping Fed more than Djoko.

ETA: the one place where it would have helped Djoko to have Nadal AWOL is clay but that didn't happen there. On grass, Nadal hasn't been a factor for a while and given Djoko's mediocre summer hard court season, one really cannot say he took advantage of Nadal's absence at all.
As for indoor season, Nadal wouldn't have had a prayer against Djoko (against Fed much more, he beat Fed at 2013 WTF after all).
 
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jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Slams matter more. You cannot be greater than your rival if you have half the number of slams.

Why would slams matter more than being the best in the world?

Yeah, people are brainwashed into thinking that with media hype and all, especially after Sampras and him being American.

Like he was now greater than Laver, cuz he had the record with 14. That was just American media hype.

But every expert and historian puts Laver ahead with only 11 majors. So, slam count isn't the most important thing.
 
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Sure but between the 2, Djoko would have more chances to win some big ones vs Nadal than Fed would. So Nadal's absence is helping Fed more than Djoko.

ETA: the one place where it would have helped Djoko to have Nadal AWOL is clay but that didn't happen there. On grass, Nadal hasn't been a factor for a while and given Djoko's mediocre summer hard court season, one really cannot say he took advantage of Nadal's absence at all.
As for indoor season, Nadal wouldn't have had a prayer against Djoko (against Fed much more, he beat Fed at 2013 WTF after all).

Yes, Djokovic would have had more chances to win big ones vs Nadal than Federer would because of the Federer-Nadal match-up and Federer's age. But looking at the slam h2hs between Nadal-Djokovic vs Nadal-Federer it is pretty much a draw. 9-3 vs 9-2. Outside of 2011 Djokovic has performed poorly vs Nadal at the slams.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Why would slams matter more than being the best in the world?

Because they do. No analyst looking at the current stats of Nadal vs Djokovic could consider Djokovic the greater player with half the slams. Get real. With that said, their careers are not over, so we need to wait and see how it ends up.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Yes, Djokovic would have had more chances to win big ones vs Nadal than Federer would because of the Federer-Nadal match-up and Federer's age. But looking at the slam h2hs between Nadal-Djokovic vs Nadal-Federer it is pretty much a draw. 9-3 vs 9-2. Outside of 2011 Djokovic has performed poorly vs Nadal at the slams.

In fairness though, 3 of their last 4 meetings have been at RG. It would be nice to see a bit more variation in the slams they encounter each other but sadly Nadal can't get past the first week at Wimbledon anymore. Oh well......
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
In fairness though, 3 of their last 4 meetings have been at RG. It would be nice to see a bit more variation in the slams they encounter each other but sadly Nadal can't get past the first week at Wimbledon anymore. Oh well......

Yes, Nadal has been abysmal at W the last three years but Djokovic has underperformed at the USO on hc which is clearly his best surface. Nadal should not be leading the h2h vs Djokovic at the USO. :oops:

And yes I know Nadal leads the h2h vs Federer at the AO. That too is cringeworthy. :)
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Yes, Djokovic would have had more chances to win big ones vs Nadal than Federer would because of the Federer-Nadal match-up and Federer's age. But looking at the slam h2hs between Nadal-Djokovic vs Nadal-Federer it is pretty much a draw. 9-3 vs 9-2. Outside of 2011 Djokovic has performed poorly vs Nadal at the slams.



Since 2011, Nadal is 3-0 at RG, Djoko is 3-1 off clay. Fedal, Djokodal is definitely NOT a draw in slams if only because Djoko defeated Nadal in 3 out of the 4 slams, Fed only in 1 (W).
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Yes, Nadal has been abysmal at W the last three years but Djokovic has underperformed at the USO on hc which is clearly his best surface. Nadal should not be leading the h2h vs Djokovic at the USO. :oops:

And yes I know Nadal leads the h2h vs Federer at the AO. That too is cringeworthy. :)

Agree about the H2H at the USO but whenever I say that, Nadal fans get mad at me. :?
 
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