Nadal coach says Rafa should be the favourite against Roger in best of 5 on every surface

alexio

Hall of Fame
Of course he should, in BO3 as well. GOAT and BOAT fails to break old weak era fraud in 9 of the last 10 sets they have played off clay, yet no problem can be found, huh.
:-Dmaybe they got it what was the issue that did cost him those sets and fixed it hence they have some confidence now to say it's gonna be the other way around next season
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
Francis Roig also thinks Federer would have retired some years ago if Nadal and Djokovic had not existed.
Yeah, they all try to find "explanations" why a player who is still in the Top 3, was one point away from being Wimbledon champion and is still capable of beating anyone on any day is still playing tennis.

That alone is ridiculous. But yes, it just has to be because of 2 other players, not due to his own love for the game and for competing. If I were Rafa I would seriously question my coach’s spirit for the sport he "teaches".
 
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aldeayeah

Legend
Have the whole paragraph (quick and dirty translation)
Rather than a "betting favorite", I'd say he's talking about the mental game

Q: In the last few matches against Federer, the Swiss has stepped forward and won them all except for the Roland Garros semifinal. Is there any specific point in which Roger's game has improved? How can Nadal turn this around?

It's obvious that Federer has been playing a more direct, aggressive game. That's the difference. He used to make more mistakes, concede more free points. Now less so, so he puts on more pressure. We used to have a mental edge. I think the turning point was the AO 2017 final. Rafa was up 3-1 in the fifth and then something changed, but this is something we're working on. It's true, he got the better of us, the results prove it. But I think this is a good moment to turn things around. Myself, I think that right now, if I had to name a favorite in best of 5, no matter the surface, Nadal has to be the favorite over Federer. This is something he himself must realize. Of course he can lose, but we must come in thinking we are favorites. If you think you're supposed to win, you're more likely to.
 

K-H

Hall of Fame
Have the whole paragraph (quick and dirty translation)
Rather than a "betting favorite", I'd say he's talking about the mental game

Q: In the last few matches against Federer, the Swiss has stepped forward and won them all except for the Roland Garros semifinal. Is there any specific point in which Roger's game has improved? How can Nadal turn this around?

It's obvious that Federer has been playing a more direct, aggressive game. That's the difference. He used to make more mistakes, concede more free points. Now less so, so he puts on more pressure. We used to have a mental edge. I think the turning point was the AO 2017 final. Rafa was up 3-1 in the fifth and then something changed, but this is something we're working on. It's true, he got the better of us, the results prove it. But I think this is a good moment to turn things around. Myself, I think that right now, if I had to name a favorite in best of 5, no matter the surface, Nadal has to be the favorite over Federer. This is something he himself must realize. Of course he can lose, but we must come in thinking we are favorites. If you think you're supposed to win, you're more likely to.
People always just jump on the bandwagon without even knowing what was truly said and in what context. You think people will learn by now, but what can you do, some people are just...
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Have another paragraph:

What must Nadal change to turn things around against Federer? Perhaps the returning position?

Yes, absolutely. We saw it clear as day in the Wimbledon semifinal. Rafa reached that round playing in a particular way, but against Roger, to me, he didn't play with the same winning mindset, and I told him that much. Before the match I told him: “If you let Roger hit many backhands inside the court, that means you'll be driven back. If Roger can dictate with his game, chances to win will be slim". Rafa must be brave. You can't be passive against Federer in Wimbledon. You have to be aggressive and that was our fault, but we must learn from that loss and our role is to make him see what he was lacking in that match.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Another:

Last, what young player do you think will perform best, and why?

That's hard to say, because the mental drive to push oneself comes from within, and you can only see it by being close to them. This year Medvedev and Tsitsipas have been one step ahead of the pack. I think the one who has evolved the most has been Tsitsipas. He did not gave us big troubles in the past, he played well but couldn't quite put on pressure. This year his game in Australia surprised me, he's been showing much more anticipation. But then, all young players were a bit of a letdown on grass.

Zverev's game hasn't evolved much in the last two years, Thiem is making less errors than he used to… and the rough diamond coming behind all of them is Shapovalov, who to me is the player with the highest potential of them all. Rafa described him very well. He has things that cannot be taught, things one's born with, but again, all of this is from an outsider's perspective. I don't know him or his ambitions.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Slam record question (last one I'll translate, the other ones are pretty trivial IMO; biggest takeaway is that Nadal intends to play doubles in the ATP Cup *and* the Olympics)

Since Nadal won the last US Open, the media have started debating the possibility that he ties or surpasses Roger Federer's Grand Slam record. Is this something you talk about in private, or something you prefer not to bring up?

We pretty much don't talk about it at all. Can't be said to be a recurring topic. What happens is, there are moments where it comes up… such as when he wins a Slam, and you say "we're closer". But when you work here, you laser focus onto the present moment. We don't know how long we'll stay competitive, but it's obvious there aren't all that many Slams left to play in. Each one of them is a big deal. Rafa is one to focus solely in what's in front of him, and ignore what's yet to come. Right now, he's focused on getting to Australia in the best shape, and Roland Garros "does not exist."
 
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ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Have the whole paragraph (quick and dirty translation)
Rather than a "betting favorite", I'd say he's talking about the mental game

Q: In the last few matches against Federer, the Swiss has stepped forward and won them all except for the Roland Garros semifinal. Is there any specific point in which Roger's game has improved? How can Nadal turn this around?

It's obvious that Federer has been playing a more direct, aggressive game. That's the difference. He used to make more mistakes, concede more free points. Now less so, so he puts on more pressure. We used to have a mental edge. I think the turning point was the AO 2017 final. Rafa was up 3-1 in the fifth and then something changed, but this is something we're working on. It's true, he got the better of us, the results prove it. But I think this is a good moment to turn things around. Myself, I think that right now, if I had to name a favorite in best of 5, no matter the surface, Nadal has to be the favorite over Federer. This is something he himself must realize. Of course he can lose, but we must come in thinking we are favorites. If you think you're supposed to win, you're more likely to.
Thanks for posting the section translation. So really it is nothing new for any top player projecting and working on a positive attitude. And that is good for their coach to reinforce it. I always thought Uncle Toni dropped the ball there at times.



Funny to see fan bios white night so quickly with offended entitlement though.

Sheesh.


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Nadal should be the favorite. He could be when the time comes and that is something that will be determined in that moment. As far as this moment in the present, he is only the favorite on clay until something changes. It's a different mental approach for sure from the Nadal team. It's the exact opposite of what he's done to win 19 slams. Looks to me to be a sign of insecurity. We'll see. The pressure is on.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Federer is Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde. We have no idea which one will show up. But lately, a poor version of Fed shows up, which is why he has only 2 slam semis in his last 6 tourneys. His match against Dimitrov in the USO proved that. Federer was absolutely horrendous in that match. Injuries are part of the game, as is extreme heat like the 2018 USO. The fact of the matter is that Fed has had 2 good slam tourneys and 4 bad ones since the 2018 AO. Given that, I can see why Nadal would be a favorite in the best of 5 against Federer at all events.

If Fed were playing well against Nadal, then I'd go with the following:
AO: Federer by a whisker
FO: Nadal by a mile
WI: Federer by a decent margin
USO: Nadal by a whisker

But the fact of the matter is that a good version of Federer doesn't show up very often anymore. His good play shows up only occasionally. Based on that, I'd say it's accurate that Nadal would be a favorite at all slam events over Federer. Out of his last 6 slams, Kandy, Millman, Tsistipas, and Dimitrov have knocked Fed out. Nadal beats those guys like a drum.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Hall of Fame
Would, could, should. Agassi was the favorite in four USO matches against Sampras loosing all of them. Who is considered favorite or should be favorite is irrelevant anyways, even more so if it is the own coach declaring you the fav.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Of course he should, in BO3 as well. GOAT and BOAT fails to break old weak era fraud in 9 of the last 10 sets they have played off clay, yet no problem can be found, huh.
Nadal moves slower than Federer off clay and he plays different brand of tennis /flat and faster which plays in to Federer hands counterbalanced by Nadal having the better fitness in long matches and obviously on clay anywhere. I don’t think Nadal should be expected to beat everywhere but he should do better than he managed in 2017 which he didn’t even break a Federer in the last 3 matches after AO.
 
Would, could, should. Agassi was the favorite in four USO matches against Sampras loosing all of them. Who is considered favorite or should be favorite is irrelevant anyways, even more so if it is the own coach declaring you the fav.
Did the majority of the tennis community really favour Agassi in 2001/02 encounters? PETE's mental supremacy was clear by then, and despite the struggles he still was the defending USO finalist in 2001 / double defending finalist in 2002.
 
Nadal moves slower than Federer off clay and he plays different brand of tennis /flat and faster which plays in to Federer hands counterbalanced by Nadal having the better fitness in long matches and obviously on clay anywhere. I don’t think Nadal should be expected to beat everywhere but he should do better than he managed in 2017 which he didn’t even break a Federer in the last 3 matches after AO.
Relax, the sarcasm was never directed at you so no point taking such jibes to heart, will only make us more bitter. All I actually mean is that this recent trend should shatter the myth of Nadal being the better player off clay, but that's not a prerequisite for goatness given his immense claycourt superiority; I believe I told you as much a while ago.
 
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Pheasant

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One thing that I really respect about Rafa lately is that he's been incredibly consistently. He's winning almost all of the matches that he's supposed to win. There aren't any upsets. He had a small slump on clay earlier this year. But other than that, he's been incredibly consistent.

Going back to the beginning of 2018, here are his losses:

2018:
AO QF to a zoning Cilic(Cilic made the final)
Madrid QF to a zoning Thiem(Thiem made the final)
2018 WI semi to eventual champ Djoker
2018 USO SF to Delpo

2019:
AO final to Djoker
Acapulco R16 to a zoning Kyrgios
MC semi to Fognini(eventual champ)
Barcelona SF to Thiem(eventual champ)
Madrid semi to Tsistipas
WI semi to Federer
WTF to Zverev

None of those losses are bad. The worst is arguably his loss to Fognini. An in-form Nadal takes out Fog. But Fog was playing out of his mind this tourney en route to the final.

Nadal has stepped up his game and I'm really impressed at what he's done.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Relax, the sarcasm was never directed at you so no point taking such jibes to heart, will only make us more bitter. All I actually mean is that this recent trend should shatter the myth of Nadal being the better player off clay, but that's not a prerequisite for goatness given his immense claycourt superiority; I believe I told you as much a while ago.
I get defensive when it comes to Rafa sometimes soz.
 

guitarra

Professional
Rafa will always be the heavy favourite on clay - that's obvious. But off clay it's not that clear really. He hasn't beaten Fed off clay since 6 years now and lost 6 times including twice in BO5. I guess it's not a coincidence, is it?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Does anyone really care what Roig says about Federer? He shows up at IW every year and is unpleasant to almost everyone. I've personally seen it, year after year. Tio Toni has WAY more class.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Hall of Fame
Did the majority of the tennis community really favour Agassi in 2001/02 encounters? PETE's mental supremacy was clear by then, and despite the struggles he still was the defending USO finalist in 2001 / double defending finalist in 2002.
Not sure how widely perceived it was I can however remember that going into the 2001 encounter media was talking about Agassi being slightly favored also because he had won their last three matches at this point. In 2002 Pete hadn’t won a single tournament since Wimbledon 2000 and was loosing left and right while Agassi was in very good form. I was a big Agassi fan back then so these losses were painful to watch. Prefer Sampras over Agassi today though.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Well let’s see.

Nadal made the AO’19 final. Fed got dumped in the 4th round.

Nadal stomped Fed at RG’19.

Fed needed 4 sets to get past Nadal at W’19 and couldn’t beat a very vulnerable Djokovic in the final.

And Nadal won USO’19 where Fed couldn’t get past the QFs.

Nadal is clearly at a higher level headed into 2020
 
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