Nadal confirms tennis evolves, says he is not sure if he can beat himself from years ago

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Nadal basically contradicts Fraud , after Fred went all " We have improved so much."

Quite logical response From Ralph , he says they have re adapted and not improved. He says he may not beat Rafa of 2008 at all

Link :Tennis doesn't evolve,no ?

Nadal’s take was slightly different. “I don’t think we improved much,” he said. “I think we managed to add things because we lost other things... because of age. I am running less so I need to serve better. Of course, I am hitting the backhand better. Maybe volleying and slicing better. But I don’t know if my level today will beat my level of years ago. So, in terms of improvement, I don’t know. In terms of re-adapting our games, for sure. That’s what makes us keep playing with this intensity.”
 
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accidental

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Good to see a top player actually say this for once

I remember when Juan Carlos Ferrero was at the end of his career barely managing to stay in the top 50, he said he thought he was playing better than ever and everyone’s level has improved.

I think guys at the end of their career and falling need to have that kind of delusion though so they can keep going
 

Raining hopes

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Nice grounded comment from Rafa.


I guess the "we" means he thinks the same about Fed?
Actually Fraud went to his usual Rheoteric of them having improved so much than before.

Nadal was asked about that and he basically said he wasn't "sure" if that's true at all.


Rafa saying he isn't sure usually means he doesn't think so at all.


I think guys at the end of their career and falling need to have that kind of delusion though so they can keep going

So true.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Nadal basically contradicts Fraud , after Fred went all " We have improved so much."

Quite logical response From Ralph , he says they have re adapted and not improved. He says he may not beat Rafa of 2008 at all

Link :Tennis doesn't evolve,no ?

Nadal’s take was slightly different. “I don’t think we improved much,” he said. “I think we managed to add things because we lost other things... because of age. I am running less so I need to serve better. Of course, I am hitting the backhand better. Maybe volleying and slicing better. But I don’t know if my level today will beat my level of years ago. So, in terms of improvement, I don’t know. In terms of re-adapting our games, for sure. That’s what makes us keep playing with this intensity.”
I watched his interview and loved this bit because its spot on. They have lost things and needed to adapt by improving other parts of their games. That's always been obvious to me. Some things probably do improve, experience is a factor but overall I think it's just about working with what you have available, you might have less available and have to work that bit harder on what remains
 

Hitman

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Nadal basically contradicts Fraud , after Fred went all " We have improved so much."

Quite logical response From Ralph , he says they have re adapted and not improved. He says he may not beat Rafa of 2008 at all

Link :Tennis doesn't evolve,no ?

Nadal’s take was slightly different. “I don’t think we improved much,” he said. “I think we managed to add things because we lost other things... because of age. I am running less so I need to serve better. Of course, I am hitting the backhand better. Maybe volleying and slicing better. But I don’t know if my level today will beat my level of years ago. So, in terms of improvement, I don’t know. In terms of re-adapting our games, for sure. That’s what makes us keep playing with this intensity.”
Nadal telling it like it is.
 

Lew II

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“He has improved so much,” Federer said. “He’s playing also very different than he used to. I remember back in the day how he used to serve, and now how much bigger he’s serving and how much faster he finishes points. He can really hurt anybody on any surface. He’s that good. He’s not just a clay court specialist.”
 

Raining hopes

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“He has improved so much,” Federer said. “He’s playing also very different than he used to. I remember back in the day how he used to serve, and now how much bigger he’s serving and how much faster he finishes points. He can really hurt anybody on any surface. He’s that good. He’s not just a clay court specialist.”

Errr that's why I posted Rafa's response. He is having none of Fred's "we have improved" nonsense.
 

Dan Huben

Semi-Pro
Have any of you ever kissed a girl? Bunch of 13 year olds playing X-Box. Yes your guy is so much better, we get it. Any one of you would pee yourself for the chance to hit with any of the big three even the other guy.

Two guys with differences of opinion or interview techniques. OMG.

When asked about each others ability, has either one every been derrogeratory? Both of them will probally have coffee down the line , and split the bets from Las Vegas purse. No one is betting the other match, this one is where all of the action is. And you guys will be here attacking the other player.

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True Fanerer

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RaulRamirez

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It's logical that as some of your pure athleticism starts declining, you try to compensate in other ways. Some will say that The Big 3 have stayed at the very top because of weak competition, and there may be some truth to that, but in large part, they have stayed in great shape, tinkered with their games (improving their backhands, shortening points, etc.) and play better tactically now.

(It's a slightly different dynamic, but many would say that NFL QBs Tom Brady and Drew Brees are just as great at age 40 as they were at 25 or 30.)

Perhaps, Rafa's answer seems more logical than Roger's, but Roger has always been extremely confident and optimistic. And if he feels that he's as good as ever, or still improving, that approach has worked foe him. After all, he's still a player, and not a pundit.
 

Nadal_Django

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So Rafa says "I don't know" 2 or 3 times in that sentence, and the resident Maestronians are quick to position him under their "tennis stopped to evolve around 2006" agenda. Lol
Jeez, those who claim that the neutral answers and stands are by far the worst in today's world, are right after all.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
I've never agreed with Rafa more. The whole "we've improved" is so contentious because it's both true and false.

They have improved aspects of their game, but only because of the decline of their physical attributes. So they've "improved" but they're not actually better.
 

JackGates

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Nadal basically contradicts Fraud , after Fred went all " We have improved so much."

Quite logical response From Ralph , he says they have re adapted and not improved. He says he may not beat Rafa of 2008 at all

Link :Tennis doesn't evolve,no ?

Nadal’s take was slightly different. “I don’t think we improved much,” he said. “I think we managed to add things because we lost other things... because of age. I am running less so I need to serve better. Of course, I am hitting the backhand better. Maybe volleying and slicing better. But I don’t know if my level today will beat my level of years ago. So, in terms of improvement, I don’t know. In terms of re-adapting our games, for sure. That’s what makes us keep playing with this intensity.”
He didn't confirm anything, he said "I don't know". And why would we listen to champions, you
Nadal basically contradicts Fraud , after Fred went all " We have improved so much."

Quite logical response From Ralph , he says they have re adapted and not improved. He says he may not beat Rafa of 2008 at all

Link :Tennis doesn't evolve,no ?

Nadal’s take was slightly different. “I don’t think we improved much,” he said. “I think we managed to add things because we lost other things... because of age. I am running less so I need to serve better. Of course, I am hitting the backhand better. Maybe volleying and slicing better. But I don’t know if my level today will beat my level of years ago. So, in terms of improvement, I don’t know. In terms of re-adapting our games, for sure. That’s what makes us keep playing with this intensity.”
How is that contradiction, that is common sense and the same thing Fed said. Fed also said he doesn't know if he could beat himself in 2006. So you are wrong and also misrepresenting the truth.

Fed and Rafa are smart, you really think any of them would say something stupid? There is a reason why they have so many majors, not their problem if you are unable to understand their statements. So, maybe you are the problem and not Federer.
 

Krish0608

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Rafa keeping it real. A sane and honest response. I don't like how Roger is always so over optimistic about his current level saying ridiculous things like he's better now than his 24 year old peak self.
 

wangs78

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Roger is the oldest of the Big 3/4, by a big margin, so I don't blame him for putting a bit more spin over the years on how he has "improved". When your top rivals are 5 years younger you don't want to come out say I've lost footspeed and athleticism. I don't blame him at all for that. Also, Roger has always had more of an attacker's mentality, so as he's aged and had to attack more and defend less, he might actually view that evolution as an "improvement". He probably would have preferred to play shorter points back in his prime against Rafa and Nole instead of being dragged into long rallies.

Nadal, on the other hand, defended/counterpunched more in his prime and having to become more aggressive may not be his natural tendency, so one would expect him to view his evolution with a more balanced perspective (i.e., we've gained in areas and lost in other areas).
 

a12345

Semi-Pro
The top 3 today would get beat by the same version of themselves 8-10 years ago, thats when they were at their best.

The fact that they arent as good as before yet no one else can beat them is a damning indictment of the other players.

IMO it will be someone of the age of Felix Auger Aliassime or younger that will step up and take over. A totally different generation, Generation Z have much more hunger, self confidence and steel about them.
 

JackGates

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Rafa keeping it real. A sane and honest response. I don't like how Roger is always so over optimistic about his current level saying ridiculous things like he's better now than his 24 year old peak self.
But he didn't say that, it's his haters twisting their words. Both are saying they improved in some areas, because they had to due to age decline in some areas, and they don't know what would happen. They are pros, you think they don't know what they are talking about?
 

JackGates

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The top 3 today would get beat by the same version of themselves 8-10 years ago, thats when they were at their best.

The fact that they arent as good as before yet no one else can beat them is a damning indictment of the other players.

IMO it will be someone of the age of Felix Auger Aliassime or younger that will step up and take over. A totally different generation, Generation Z have much more hunger, self confidence and steel about them.
Ok, let's say you are right, why has tennis stopped improving all of the sudden? Last 100 years tennis is evolving, so suddenly it stopped? What would be the reason?
 

a12345

Semi-Pro
Ok, let's say you are right, why has tennis stopped improving all of the sudden? Last 100 years tennis is evolving, so suddenly it stopped? What would be the reason?
Its mentality. The current generation Millennial types are too soft and weak minded as a whole. If you watch an interview of Cori Gauff who is 15, you can see a steeliness about her and others of her age, and you already know theyre going to take over.
 

JackGates

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It is not "that too". Either you believe that Nadal truly doesn't know, in which case the part he does say is open for interpretation, or you accept that he is being diplomatic, in which case one has to judge what he is trying to avoid saying by being diplomatic. You can't have both. The truth is that if Nadal did think that he is better there is no reason to not say it outright, but he is dancing around the straightforward answer, which is in line with what the OP is saying.

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Or in this case, it can be both. He doesn't know and it doesn't hurt him, so he can afford to speak the truth. I didn't say they are diplomatic all the time, just in some sensitive areas, he has nothing to lose saying he doesn't know, but he has a lot to gain lying about grass speeds.
 

jm1980

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Its mentality. The current generation Millennial types are too soft and weak minded as a whole. If you watch an interview of Cori Gauff who is 15, you can see a steeliness about her and others of her age, and you already know theyre going to take over.
Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, delPo are all part of the millennial generation. Some definitions even include Fed
 

a12345

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Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, delPo are all part of the millennial generation. Some definitions even include Fed
Depends on how you want to define it. To be more specific id say 80's babies are not Millennials. If your first taste of the internet at school age was through AOL and a 56k modem youre not in that group, it is those that were at school and using Facebook and twitter. The first social media generation effectively.
 

Incognito

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There’s already a big difference between Nadal 2008 and the Nadal of 2010 movement-wise, the former is alot more explosive and faster too. Same can be said about 2006 Federer vs his post 2007 version. Unless they start serving like Isner or volley like Edberg, they Will never be as good as their younger versions.
 

JackGates

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If that is the case, you allow for absolutely free interpretation of what he is saying, and your explanation makes a lot less sense than what Nadal (and the OP) is saying.

The grass speeds aren't even in question, LOL. You have to literally be blind to not know it. Being diplomatic for something that is already a known fact is the stupidest reason to be diplomatic.

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That's why I don't take what they say seriously at all and I look for outside evidence. No, grass speed is not known, since all sides are having the arguments, that's why Nadal would have motivation to be diplomatic in the first place. Why would they hide grass speeds if it was known? Why do we have arguments if things are known?

And even if things are known, you don't tell a woman she is fat, you are still diplomatic to do what you want her to do. I mean, this is psychology 101.
 
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