Nadal criticises Madrid Masters

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Lol shes not as bad as Mirka who gets to travel round the world watching Roger and shes does nothing apart from stay in all the fancy hotels he pays for and orders room service that he pays for.
Disgusting...

I dont know much about Xisca but I think she's great..very sweet and they look great together.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
OT random stuff- Although too shy to post myself in the language,I like reading posts in French.They help me to improve as also learn new words
Merci Veronique et Maximo!:wink:
 

deltox

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Prove what? I've already given all my arguments. If they don't convince you, too bad. Maybe you could read Federer and Serena's statements as well (I gave a link to that) and you'd be more prepared to give them some credit.

so far you have provided, serena and nadals opinions, federer is more upset about the process being used to make the court blue. (since i do hate serena, her words mean nothing to me but with nadal i think its all about what hes used to and his winning streak)

opinions of yourself such as

its ugly, it doesnt match the landscape (which isnt true at all), it breaks tradition (which this being a new tourney cant break tradition) what did i miss? o yeah you also said it played differently, which science itself disagrees with according to the tournament sponsors asking for the change. on this one as with most you are not worth debating with, you are the most hardheaded person on these forums and you do NOT care for the game as a whole, only nadal.

i gave reasons for the sport, not for color coordination.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
OT random stuff- Although too shy to post myself in the language,I like reading posts in French.They help me to improve as also learn new words
Merci Veronique et Maximo!:wink:
Ah de rien. C'est amusant de poster en francais quelquefois!
 

GameSampras

Banned
Ohh good lord people.. Make posts that I can read and understand. SO I can complain. I cant complain when no one is speaking english here. This is a tennis message board not the Louvre
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
so far you have provided, serena and nadals opinions, federer is more upset about the process being used to make the court blue. (since i do hate serena, her words mean nothing to me but with nadal i think its all about what hes used to and his winning streak)

opinions of yourself such as

its ugly, it doesnt match the landscape (which isnt true at all), it breaks tradition (which this being a new tourney cant break tradition) what did i miss? o yeah you also said it played differently, which science itself disagrees with according to the tournament sponsors asking for the change. on this one as with most you are not worth debating with, you are the most hardheaded person on these forums and you do NOT care for the game as a whole, only nadal.

i gave reasons for the sport, not for color coordination.
What do you mean the landscape thing is not true? Have you ever been to any mediterranean country? + reddish is the natural color of the earth. Anyway I know my arguments didn't convince you, too bad, yours didn't convince me either. There is no reason to change the color of clay, none, but every reason to just keep it the way it is.
 
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mandy01

G.O.A.T.
She just became pregnant. Whats she been doing the rest of these years? Being Fed's "Financial Advisor?".
She takes care of his schedule and even helped him out with press matters( like scheduling interviews etc) for a long time.She's been with him since he had 0 titles.And it was Roger who asked her to accompany him after a permanent injury screwed her career.Its just the glamour you guys see.She did a lot for him.He was pretty much a nobody when they started dating and remained a nobody for a long time after that.Its just these recent years you bothered to notice.He likes her to be with him.So whats your problem? Really..pathetic.:roll:
 

deltox

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Why extortion? They're not married you know, I don't think she would have any legal way to take his money, lol...

after 5 years of living together in the US you can gain alimony upon break up, but im unsure of the laws in spain governing this issue.
 

deltox

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What do you mean the landscape thing is not true? Have you ever been to any mediterranean country? + reddish is the natural color of the earth. Anyway I know my arguments didn't convince you, too bad, yours didn't convince me either. There is no reason to change the color of clay, none.

you havent been reading my posts have you? i visited there 4 years ago, alot of the buildings are BLUE in the residential areas. took my wife there for our anniversary. most of the city scape is grey stone though, i cannot remember many if any that were brick as you stated though. as for the dirt itself, well in madrid its not even visible anywhere.

i did agree that alot of the roofs were red tho.
 
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Disgusting...

I dont know much about Xisca but I think she's great..very sweet and they look great together.

Whats disgusting? Mirka has the best job in the world all she does is stay in 5 star hotels eat expensive room service and watch tennis heck if Fed asked me I'd do that no problem aslong as I didn't have to sleep next to him.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
after 5 years of living together in the US you can gain alimony upon break up, but im unsure of the laws in spain governing this issue.
I don't know in the US. I know in France unless you make a formal declaration of "concubinage" (meaning living as a couple without being married), you're not entitled to anything + as far as I know they don't live together yet.
 

deltox

Hall of Fame
Whats disgusting? Mirka has the best job in the world all she does is stay in 5 star hotels eat expensive room service and watch tennis heck if Fed asked me I'd do that no problem aslong as I didn't have to sleep next to him.

would you really wanna live on the road? i dont think i could stand it after a year or two.
 

GameSampras

Banned
I dont understand why Fed is too stubborn to hire a coach who can actually TURN HIS GAME AROUND, yet he will have some broad traveling with him, managing his money (Like that is real bright, having a woman manage your money), gobbling up 5 star meals along with his dough, sleeping in 5 star hotels etc.


There is something seriously wrong with that equation. And its a big reason why Fed is in the position he is in. Lost his Number 1 ranking, hasnt even won a tournament this year etc. Keep the chick at home.. And get yourself a coach. How dumb can u be? Hes on the threshold of establishing greatness. Yet he is doing these things? He may not have many more chances. He needs the french and the slam record before its too late. Hes not getting any younger and everything is slipping from his fingers.

Dont u think a change for Fed needs to be made? I do. If he continues on this route.. Its all over for him
 
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would you really wanna live on the road? i dont think i could stand it after a year or two.

Lol you make it sound like she has a hard life she gets to go and stay in the best hotels all around the world without having to pay for it I mean its a pretty easy life.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
so far you have provided, serena and nadals opinions, federer is more upset about the process being used to make the court blue. (since i do hate serena, her words mean nothing to me but with nadal i think its all about what hes used to and his winning streak)



Ah so you think, the blue clay argument is because it would end Nadal's winning streak? Nadal would win on rainbow courts IMO. I'm not at all worried about him losing. I'm concerned about clay as one of the main surfaces in general and about the future of it. You on the other hand seem very eager to think of a gimmick that (in your imagination) may cause Nadal to lose.
 
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mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Ah de rien. C'est amusant de poster en francais quelquefois!
that meant "Its fun speaking in French sometimes" right? :oops:correct me if I'm wrong since speaking French with students of my level and trying to understand a natvie French speaker are two different things and I often forget meanings when I get..er..little nervous or when I'm in the company of someone well educated in the language / fluent .
 
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deltox

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Lol you make it sound like she has a hard life she gets to go and stay in the best hotels all around the world without having to pay for it I mean its a pretty easy life.

yeah me to, but i personally would eventually get home sick. i cant hardly stand leaving the area for more than 2 weeks at a time, but my job forces me to travel a ton. i used to love seeing all the new places but now sometimes i just wanna throw my feet up and stay home, ya know.
 

deltox

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Ah so you think, the blue clay argument is because it would end Nadal's winning streak? Nadal would win on rainbow courts IMO. I'm not at all worried about him losing. I'm concerned about clay as one of the main surfaces in general and as the future of it. You on the other hand seem very eager to think of a gimmick that (in your imagination) may cause Nadal to lose.

that gimmick im so concerned about is in hopes that we can eventually watch more tennis on tv because of it, nothing more, nothing less. personally i dont wanna see nadal go down, i wanna see him eclipse borg on clay, i do wanna see djokovic take some clay titles though, but i do NOT ever pull agaisnt nadal on clay. you see, unlike many on here im neither a fed nor nadal fan by heart, i just enjoy watching them play tennis. i always like the ones who are not on top of the game. right now my favs are nole, roddick, monfils, isner and verdasco. i only hate one tennis player in todays game, serena williams. so dont read more into what im saying than what i am actually saying.
 
yeah me to, but i personally would eventually get home sick. i cant hardly stand leaving the area for more than 2 weeks at a time, but my job forces me to travel a ton. i used to love seeing all the new places but now sometimes i just wanna throw my feet up and stay home, ya know.

She gets to travel on private jets stay in 5 star suites and eat at all the most expensive restaurants and watches 1 tennis match a day I doubt she is that home sick.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
I dont understand why Fed is too stubborn to hire a coach who can actually TURN HIS GAME AROUND, yet he will have some broad traveling with him, managing his money (Like that is real bright, having a woman manage your money), gobbling up 5 star meals along with his dough, sleeping in 5 star hotels etc.


There is something seriously wrong with that equation. And its a big reason why Fed is in the position he is in. Lost his Number 1 ranking, hasnt even won a tournament this year etc. Keep the chick at home.. And get yourself a coach. How dumb can u be? Hes on the threshold of establishing greatness. Yet he is doing these things? He may not have many more chances. He needs the french and the slam record before its too late. Hes not getting any younger and everything is slipping from his fingers.

Dont u think a change for Fed needs to be made? I do. If he continues on this route.. Its all over for him
No I think you need to shut up.He manages his own financial affairs and he is helped by his parents not Mirka.
As for a coach Severin Luthi may not be all too reputed but he's been with Roger quite sometime.
Its amazing how classless posters can be..even joking about someone's personal life is disgusting.Mind your own business.
 

GameSampras

Banned
No I think you need to shut up.He manages his own financial affairs and he is helped by his parents not Mirka.
As for a coach Severin Luthi may not be all to reputed but he's been with Roger quite sometime.
Its amazing how classless posters can be..even joking about someone's personal life is disgusting.Mind your own business.

LOL.. Its painful I know. The obvious that is.
 
No I think you need to shut up.He manages his own financial affairs and he is helped by his parents not Mirka.
As for a coach Severin Luthi may not be all to reputed but he's been with Roger quite sometime.
Its amazing how classless posters can be..even joking about someone's personal life is disgusting.Mind your own business.

Lol stop getting over sensative he didn't say anything wrong.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
that meant "Its fun speaking in French sometimes" right? :oops:correct me if I'm wrong since speaking French with students of my level and trying to understand a natvie French speaker are too different things and I often forget meanings when I get..er..little nervous or when I'm in the company of someone well educated in the language / fluent .
Ah don't be nervous, we're between friends here ;-)
Yes, it means "it's fun to post in French sometimes". Tres bien!
 

deltox

Hall of Fame
She gets to travel on private jets stay in 5 star suites and eat at all the most expensive restaurants and watches 1 tennis match a day I doubt she is that home sick.

i understand and see your point. it just echoes in my head all the people that travel at any rate of iinfluence about how bad they wanna be home.

i suppose now that i have a family it is a bigger deal to be home as much as possible though.
 

All-rounder

Legend
I dont understand why Fed is too stubborn to hire a coach who can actually TURN HIS GAME AROUND, yet he will have some broad traveling with him, managing his money (Like that is real bright, having a woman manage your money), gobbling up 5 star meals along with his dough, sleeping in 5 star hotels etc.


There is something seriously wrong with that equation. And its a big reason why Fed is in the position he is in. Lost his Number 1 ranking, hasnt even won a tournament this year etc. Keep the chick at home.. And get yourself a coach. How dumb can u be? Hes on the threshold of establishing greatness. Yet he is doing these things? He may not have many more chances. He needs the french and the slam record before its too late. Hes not getting any younger and everything is slipping from his fingers.

Dont u think a change for Fed needs to be made? I do. If he continues on this route.. Its all over for him
I think its way too late for french open those chances were out of the window back in 06 as for federer winning slams yes he needs a coach but his arrogance is from a build up of him being the best player in the world and he still till this day believes he's the best player on tour, well if he plays his best then i don't see anybody beating him e.g (US open 2008)

If Federer just opened his ears and just take in all that advise he would have had about 16 slams by now.
 

thejoe

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Oui, c'est comme un code secret. Ca me rappelle mon adolescence!

Les codes secrets étaient aspects de ton adolescence? Je suis adolescent maintenant, et je peux dire qu'ils ne sont pas ordinaires pour moi! C'était intéressant?
 
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GameSampras

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why do you guys even pass idiotic comments like these? Its not about being over-sensitive.Have some class or borrow,beg,steal some and use while you post,please.Absolute trolling. :roll:

Actually we are providing some meaningful insight here on what Fed should do. There is no a reason to have Mirka flying around with u everywhere when obviously SHE ISNT HELPING HIS CHANCES any better. Fed has won 0 TOURNEYS THIS YEAR!!. Thats not Fedlike right there. Fed has been in long need of a coach for quite a long time. And I agree with the poster saying, Fed truly believes he is still the best. Hes in a bit of denial it seems. It doesnt look like he has been working on his game at all, his focus isnt there, and he things he can just walk on a court and win today. Thats far from the case. He cant just do that he used to do. The competition on top has become much tougher. A change needs to be made for Fed. Its pretty pathetic this has to come from outside tennis fans. He should realize this himself when you look at whats happening to him.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Actually we are providing some meaningful insight here on what Fed should do. There is no a reason to have Mirka flying around with u everywhere when obviously SHE ISNT HELPING HIS CHANCES any better. Fed has won 0 TOURNEYS THIS YEAR!!. Thats not Fedlike right there. Fed has been in long need of a coach for quite a long time. And I agree with the poster saying, Fed truly believes he is still the best. Hes in a bit of denial it seems. It doesnt look like he has been working on his game at all, his focus isnt there, and he things he can just walk on a court and win today. Thats far from the case. He cant just do that he used to do. The competition on top has become much tougher. A change needs to be made for Fed. Its pretty pathetic this has to come from outside tennis fans. He should realize this himself.
He can do what he wants with his personal life.No need to take potshots at Mirka.Rest of your post is fine with me regardless of whether I agree or not.
 

Benhur

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the color of clay is a simple addition , there is no tradition to the color of the clay events, in actuality clay itself is gray or a shade of brown depending on where its from. (altrhough there is such a thing as red clay as well but its slick like mud) The crushed bricks used today are colored before baking the bricks just as it would be if they were blue.

Humans have been baking bricks for thousands of years, and they've always had a color ranging from yellowish to red, without adding any colorants. That's the color that comes out after baking the materials. That's why adobe buildings are reddish. The fact that in some brick-making processes colorants are added today means squat. How many blue-brick buldings and monuments do you know? They are all on the pink-red-orange-brown side of the spectrum. The vast majority of them are not colored at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick
[...] The fired colour of clay bricks is influenced by the chemical and mineral content of raw materials, the firing temperature and the atmosphere in the kiln. For example pink coloured bricks are the result of a high iron content, white or yellow bricks have a higher lime content. Most bricks burn to various red hues, if the temperature is increased the colour moves through dark red, purple and then to brown or grey at around 1300 °C. [...]

Blue clay looks revolting to most people's taste. But not to all, from what I can see. I once watched a movie involving a wedding in an American middle class family who wanted to impress their guests at all costs. The catering service recommended, among other horrors, blue mashed potatoes. So they served blue mashed potatoes, and both the groom and the bride and their families were extremely proud of their cutting-edge coup.

Blue clay!!
 

deltox

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Humans have been baking bricks for thousands of years, and they've always had a color ranging from yellowish to red, without adding any colorants. That's the color that comes out after baking the materials. That's why adobe buildings are reddish. The fact that in some brick-making processes colorants are added today means squat. How many blue-brick buldings and monuments do you know? They are all on the pink-red-orange-brown side of the spectrum. The vast majority of them are not colored at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick
[...] The fired colour of clay bricks is influenced by the chemical and mineral content of raw materials, the firing temperature and the atmosphere in the kiln. For example pink coloured bricks are the result of a high iron content, white or yellow bricks have a higher lime content. Most bricks burn to various red hues, if the temperature is increased the colour moves through dark red, purple and then to brown or grey at around 1300 °C. [...]

Blue clay looks revolting to most people's taste. But not to all, from what I can see. I once watched a movie involving a wedding in an American middle class family who wanted to impress their guests at all costs. The catering service recommended, among other horrors, blue mashed potatoes. So they served blue mashed potatoes, and both the groom and the bride and their families were extremely proud of their cutting-edge coup.

Blue clay!!

i can see your understanding in this thread, its readable and knowledgable and provides links to back up your argument. this is all ive been asking for, but what im saying is if making the bricks blue can be proven to not change the way the ball bounces or plays, and the fact it just MIGHT bring in a few more fans and revenues, would it not be worth trying just once for arguments sake?
 

egn

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Oh completely on topic the blue clay is really ugly...it looks like a fake indoor hardcourt actually it reminds me more of a fake carpet court. I was hoping for a different blue...
 

deltox

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Oh completely on topic the blue clay is really ugly...it looks like a fake indoor hardcourt actually it reminds me more of a fake carpet court. I was hoping for a different blue...

lighter or darker? i was thinking more of a sea blue with a hint of green tint, the court does kinda look like a felt pool table covering

but with that shade of blue i can understand how a yellow ball would be more easily followed on tv and streams
 

egn

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lighter or darker? i was thinking more of a sea blue with a hint of green tint, the court does kinda look like a felt pool table covering

but with that shade of blue i can understand how a yellow ball would be more easily followed on tv and streams

Lighter I was hoping for like the AO blue I love that color. Yea hint of green would have been nice.
 

deltox

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Lighter I was hoping for like the AO blue I love that color. Yea hint of green would have been nice.

id love to see a youtube clip of someone playing on the court. i wanna see if it helps track the ball and bounces more clearly. i honestly do have problems tracking the ball on red clay, not particularly the path of the ball but its bounce point always looks different than its actual bounce spot.
 

egn

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id love to see a youtube clip of someone playing on the court. i wanna see if it helps track the ball and bounces more clearly. i honestly do have problems tracking the ball on red clay, not particularly the path of the ball but its bounce point always looks different than its actual bounce spot.

I would love too as well, but it looks as if the lines fade easily but then the court looks a bit sloppy I am wondering if it is just really rushed.
 
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