Nadal Djokovic French Open 2008 semi-final stats

[abmk]

These are the stats I have for their semi-final encounter in French Open/Roland Garros 2008 :

By set,

Aces:

Nadal : 0,0,0 ; Total = 0
Djokovic : 2,0,0, Total = 2

DFs:

Nadal : 0,0,0 ; Total = 0
Djokovic : 1,0,0 ; Total = 1

Forehand Winners :

Nadal : 6,4,6; Total = 16 (including one lob winners in the 1st set )
Djokovic : 2,2,10; Total = 14

Backhand Winners :

Nadal : 1,0,2 ; Total = 3
Djokovic : 4,1,5; Total = 10

Forehand UEs:

Nadal : 0,1,3 ; Total = 4
Djokovic : 4,4,7; Total = 15

Backhand UEs:

Nadal : 4,3,3 ; Total = 10
Djokovic : 6,1,5 ; Total = 12

Forehand FEs (errors forced by the opponent ):

Nadal : 10,3,7 ; Total = 20
Djokovic : 5,7,14; Total = 26

Backhand FEs ( errors forced by the opponent ):

Nadal : 6,4,11; Total = 21
Djokovic : 11,9,10; Total = 30

Overhead winners :

Nadal :0,0,2 ; Total = 2
Djokovic : 1,0,3 ; Total = 4

Forehand volley winners :

Nadal : 0,0,1 ; Total = 1
Djokovic : 0,0,1; Total = 1

Backhand volley winners :

Nadal : 0,1,0; Total = 1
Djokovic : 1,0,2; Total = 3


Net points :

Djokovic : 9/13, 1/2, 13/18 ; Total = 23/33
Nadal : 3/6 , 1/1 and 9/13 ; Total = 13/20

Points won by set :

Nadal : 34,26,47 = 107
Djokovic : 30,13,46 = 89


W-UE (total)

Nadal : 23-14 = +9
Djokovic : 34 -28 = +6

 

[abmk]

What they showed on the screen (along with a comparison to some of my own )

1. At 1-3 , 15-30 in the first set to djokovic, they showed on the screen :

Nadal : 1 UE, Djokovic : 6 UEs
I had Nadal: 1 UE, Djokovic : 7 UEs

2. At 0-1 in the 2nd set to djokovic

Rallies won :

3 or less -> Djokovic: 20, Nadal: 12
4 to 8 -> Djokovic: 6, Nadal: 6
8+ -> Djokovic: 7 , Nadal: 20

So total points, 33 to Djokovic, 38 to Nadal, going by this
I had 33 points to Djokovic and 39 to Nadal at that time

3. At 1-2 in the 2nd set,

Points won :

Djokovic : 37
Nadal : 43

Mine :

Djokovic : 37
Nadal : 44

4. At 1-5 in the 2nd set,

3 shots or less -> Djokovic : 23, Nadal : 23
4+ shots -> Djokovic : 17, Nadal : 33

5. At 0 all 15-30 in the 3rd set, they showed :

Unforced errors :

Djokovic : 18
Nadal :8

I had the same

6. They had Djokovic with 4 FH winners and Nadal with 12 FH winners
I had the same

7. At 1-3, 30 all in the 3rd set, the box score showed :

Djokovic : 16W, 23 UEs
Nadal : 16 W, 10 UEs

I had :

Djokovic: 16 W, 25 UEs
Nadal : 15 W, 10 UEs

8. At some point in the 3rd set, Total points :

Djokovic : 60, Nadal : 80

I had Djokovic at 60, but Nadal at 81


9. At some point in the 3rd set,

Net points:

Djokovic : 19/30
Nadal : 12/15

I had Djokovic : 19/28
Nadal : 8/12

10. At 5-6 , Nadal serving in the 3rd set, points won :

Djokovic : 87, Nadal : 100

didn't count my own at this point.


The winners count in the official site is garbage of course :

https://web.archive.org/web/2008061...rros.com/en_FR/scores/stats/day18/1126ms.html

Edit : They have in the winners column, the # of points won on serve instead.

 

[mattosgrant]

I remember that match. It was really good. Very impressive performance by Novak to even hang in with Nadal as much as he did. Keep in mind this was arguably the best ever Nadal at RG, maybe on clay in general, and the same Nadal who humiliated many quality opponents including Federer in the final (also Verdasco and I believe Almgaro who are quality clay courters). Djokovic is the only one who was not really competitive, but atleast respectable, with Nadal that whole event.

 

[abmk]

Some observations/comments :

1. Djokovic was doing well in the shorter rallies, but had very less chance in the longer ones, was getting completely bossed around in those. ( see the screen stats 2 and 4 )

2. Nadal was ruthless in the baseline to baseline rallies.

3. Nadal's passing shots were well below par ( by his standards ), in contrast to the final vs federer.

4. Djokovic played some good tennis at the net , including overheads.

5. Nadal was hitting some BHs from the middle of the court to Djokovic's BH corner ..don't really remember him doing much of this in other matches.

6. Nadal broke Djokovic in his 2nd service game. From there on, it was even till the end of 1st set. Then Nadal completely dominated from the 2nd set until 3-0 in the 3rd set ( up a double break ) ..Nadal let down his guard a bit and Djokovic came back in that set playing some good offensive tennis.

7. The net stats are the only one that seem a bit off from the official stats.

@krosero , @Moose Malloy : How do you decide if a point is a net point ? If the player has crossed the service line ?

 

[Moose Malloy]

Looks like your net stats were pretty close to the statistician. I don't have a rule necessarily about where they are, more like if their opponent gets a clean hit on the ball(for instance some of the approaches Fed had vs Nadal in 06 Rome were virtual winners to me(nadal barely got a racquet on etc) so I didnt count them as net pts. Official stats had him at 84 approaches, I had him with 74. Then there are other matches where I have a lot more than the statistician like 83 RG final(I had Noah with 101, NBC had him with 82. But many matches from that era seem to have incorrect stats, like total number of points won, 1st serve pts won etc)
Krosero and I had almost the same count on Agassi vs Wilander at 88 RG for what it's worth.

 

[abmk]

Looks like your net stats were pretty close to the statistician. I don't have a rule necessarily about where they are, more like if their opponent gets a clean hit on the ball(for instance some of the approaches Fed had vs Nadal in 06 Rome were virtual winners to me(nadal barely got a racquet on etc) so I didnt count them as net pts. Official stats had him at 84 approaches, I had him with 74. Then there are other matches where I have a lot more than the statistician like 83 RG final(I had Noah with 101, NBC had him with 82. But many matches from that era seem to have incorrect stats, like total number of points won, 1st serve pts won etc)
Krosero and I had almost the same count on Agassi vs Wilander at 88 RG for what it's worth.

fair enough regarding the virtual winners part. I do the same as well ...

What about when the player has hit a FH/BH that is unreturned ( opponent has got a fair bit of racquet on it though), but the player has not yet crossed the service line , the point would be due to the FH/BH and not necessarily due to the 'presence' at the net . So are you taking that as a net point ?

 

[Anaconda]

Some observations/comments :

1. Djokovic was doing well in the shorter rallies, but had very less chance in the longer ones, was getting completely bossed around in those. ( see the screen stats 2 and 4 )

2. Nadal was ruthless in the baseline to baseline rallies.

3. Nadal's passing shots were well below par ( by his standards ), in contrast to the final vs federer.

4. Djokovic played some good tennis at the net , including overheads.

5. Nadal was hitting some BHs from the middle of the court to Djokovic's BH corner ..don't really remember him doing much of this in other matches.

6. Nadal broke Djokovic in his 2nd service game. From there on, it was even till the end of 1st set. Then Nadal completely dominated from the 2nd set until 3-0 in the 3rd set ( up a double break ) ..Nadal let down his guard a bit and Djokovic came back in that set playing some good offensive tennis.

7. The net stats are the only one that seem a bit off from the official stats.

@krosero , @Moose Malloy : How do you decide if a point is a net point ? If the player has crossed the service line ?

8) Djokovic would have beaten Federer at FO 2008 if they met.

 

[NatF]

^^ Sort of doubt that. IMO Federer probably sensing his moment would have raised his game in the final to beat Djokovic.

 

[Incognito]

^^ Sort of doubt that. IMO Federer probably sensing his moment would have raised his game in the final to beat Djokovic.

True.

Also, Fed wouldn't have s&v as much as he did, had he played djokovic instead. I don't know why he played that way against Nadal. That's even worse than outslugging Rafa from the baseline. That's the only year he didn't win a set against a peak Rafa.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Sexy match, I remember watching live.

 

[Gizo]

I actually think that Bellucci in the 1st round put up a better performance against Nadal in that tournament than Djokovic did, despite winning 3 fewer games. Nadal lost his focus when up a double break up in that 3rd set, which helped Djokovic back in to it and make it so close.

Bellucci's performance in the first set was actually stunning and was still excellent in the 2nd set as well, but then he fell away in the final set. He could and maybe should have won that opening set, but lost it with a double fault IIRC.

 

[Moose Malloy]

What about when the player has hit a FH/BH that is unreturned ( opponent has got a fair bit of racquet on it though), but the player has not yet crossed the service line , the point would be due to the FH/BH and not necessarily due to the 'presence' at the net . So are you taking that as a net point ?

sounds like a net point to me. do you have any examples on youtube? I guess I just know a net point when I see it, can't necessarily make that decision based on someone's description. I've seen Edberg/Mac rip bh's and then move foreward, but not get to the service line before their opponent made the error and I would count those as net pts. It did seem easier to judge net points in the 80s(I generally concentrate more on stats from that era) than today, since groundstrokes seem more designed to end points today, while back then it seems like they were usually expecting to hit a volley even if they didn't end up having to.