Nadal fans AO delusion
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Hayole
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Tennisfan339
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Honestly if Nadal is fit and at 100% (his uncle says he will be) who can beat him in BO5?
DjokoVic.... might not be there, as we know.
Federer... not there
Thiem? His injury looks worse than Nadal. Peak Thiem beat Nadal 76 76 46 76 in Australia. If he hasn't recovered completely, he has no chance.
Tsitsipas? Last year he was playing his absolute best tennis on HC and he almost lost 3 sets 0. His win was pretty miraculous. He has been the shadow of himself since RG. Unless his raises his level in a significant way, he is toast.
Rublev, Ruud, Hurkacz, Norrie? I don't believe any of them would be favorite against Nadal
Sinner is still awful in Grand Slams, the only times he got past the 3rd round he lost in straight sets....
That only leaves Zverev and Medvedev.
Zverev still has 0 win against top-10 in Grand Slams. This is very problematic.
And Nadal is an awful matchup for Medvedev. Even in his pet slam he couldn't have the last word. Even in Indoors conditions, it's 1-1 and last time they played Nadal served for the match. If Medvedev isn't at his best, the upset is clearly possible.
If Djokovic withdraws, all it takes Nadal is a good draw. Medvedev or Zverev can always have an unexpected early upset. If Nadal has a catkewalk until the Semifinals and only has to face one of them (Med or Zed) anything can happen in 1 match.
He is NOT the favorite but he is clearly an outsider. Beating him in BO5 is a very tough thing, we all know that.
DjokoVic.... might not be there, as we know.
Federer... not there
Thiem? His injury looks worse than Nadal. Peak Thiem beat Nadal 76 76 46 76 in Australia. If he hasn't recovered completely, he has no chance.
Tsitsipas? Last year he was playing his absolute best tennis on HC and he almost lost 3 sets 0. His win was pretty miraculous. He has been the shadow of himself since RG. Unless his raises his level in a significant way, he is toast.
Rublev, Ruud, Hurkacz, Norrie? I don't believe any of them would be favorite against Nadal
Sinner is still awful in Grand Slams, the only times he got past the 3rd round he lost in straight sets....
That only leaves Zverev and Medvedev.
Zverev still has 0 win against top-10 in Grand Slams. This is very problematic.
And Nadal is an awful matchup for Medvedev. Even in his pet slam he couldn't have the last word. Even in Indoors conditions, it's 1-1 and last time they played Nadal served for the match. If Medvedev isn't at his best, the upset is clearly possible.
If Djokovic withdraws, all it takes Nadal is a good draw. Medvedev or Zverev can always have an unexpected early upset. If Nadal has a catkewalk until the Semifinals and only has to face one of them (Med or Zed) anything can happen in 1 match.
He is NOT the favorite but he is clearly an outsider. Beating him in BO5 is a very tough thing, we all know that.
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safinmafia
Rookie
A troll thread citing trolls as evidence.
I feel qualified to certify this as the case.
I feel qualified to certify this as the case.
in other words if he is 100% fit and gets a cakewalk draw(he wont be a top 4 seed) he has an "outside chance"?
and no one talks about the ever possible injury crisis lol
but that always comes after a loss
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
That was one of the greatest comebacks ever, we can't hold everyone to that standard.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'll believe he can't make a comeback after injury when I see it with my own eyes. The guy is amazing.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Honestly, the Next Gen should be favored on HCs over Nadal at this stage of their careers.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I'm more interested in tribal people trying french toast
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
You can say anything you want without supporting it with stats.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Realistically though, whom will you bet for against him in a potential meeting in BO5 except for Djokovic??I've been seeing a lot of Nadal to win AO posts lately(maybe presuming Djokovic not going to Melbourne)
But even then he's 8-10 against top 10 players on hard courts since 2018
He only faced Djokovic twice on hcs in those 4 years (5 times on clay) so that hasn't really been his main issue...it's been other players too so feels like the optimism is a bit
Tsitsipas match was a fluke which doesn't happen every now and then
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Destructive?? How??
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
If I played ten groundstrokes with Thiem's technique I would tear my arm off.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Not true.
Rublev hits harder than thiem.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
OK. If I played five groundstrokes with Rublev's technique I would tear my arm off.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
"Nadal is NOT the favorite but he is clearly an outsider."
When the AO is played it will be 13 years since Rafa won the event. Even with this pathetic field, he's not winning it and at 35, he's beyond an outsider at this point.
When the AO is played it will be 13 years since Rafa won the event. Even with this pathetic field, he's not winning it and at 35, he's beyond an outsider at this point.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
I mean he's not losing to nobodies just yet, so a soft draw could land him in the semis and then anything could happen. The tour is shallower than ever which helps.
Hell this year he reached QF while nursing a back injury with a crapola serve, and almost reached semis. Other than Zedmedovic, who's favored against him?
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S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
Not when they did your taxes and you're now getting audited.
Incognito
Legend
He can barely play a BO3! The last time Nadal had great stamina was 2010.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Sure we can. Rafa is regarded as the better player than Federer, so he should be able to do everything Federer did, but more often and better.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, when you put it like that...
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
2013 IMO, but yeah
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
He hasn't played in 6 months, no wonder he's not losing to nobodies. Imagine if he'd played Wimbledon, the US hardcourt swing, the USO and the Asian swing.
Sure, miracles in tennis do happen, but Rafa has won the AO once in his entire career and that was 13 years ago. To put it in perspective, Carlos Alcarez was 5 years old then.
And all the people talking about nobody beating Rafa in B05, it's obvious his stamina is nowhere near what it was even 5 years ago. Watch the last 30 minutes of his RG semi against Novak. Rafa was absolutely dead by the beginning of the fourth set.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
If Nole doesn't play Nadal still has a good shot with a few tourneys under his belt. Lets face it, this new generation is nothing to write home about. They're more than capable of losing to washed up Nadal. LOL
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Bruh that's just weird.
Okay, what about Nadal's technique? He's also very physical.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Write him off at your own peril. Let's go rafa let's go
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
You want me dead already?
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
With pleasure, your majesty.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Btw @Sudacafan I really don't think Thiem's technique was an issue. Him overtraining, oberplaying at times and literally going all out on every ball was the problem. He didn't have the body frame to do it.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
It was, believe me.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Aye, was just kidding with ya bruh
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
So what's the technique you'd have suggested him bruh?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
You like to ask a lot of questions, hermanito.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Honestly, 2018.
FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
Nadal is always a threat at the AO, hasn't he made 6 finals and just won one? Murray stylin
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Don't be getting delusions of grandeur, my boy.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
He’s got a shot but he hasn’t played in awhile and he really is old now. There's a lot of guys out there now that can take him down. Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Djokovic etc.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
I do, you're right, Ældrebror
In the last two years, there has been only one early upset for for Med/Zev in the hard court grand slams, in Australian 2020 (Med). Going by Med's form since then, especially in the Masters, I think it is unlikely both of them won't reach the semifinals
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Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
At this point I would definitely take Medvedev and Zverev. Nadal hasn't played well in ages and he's old.
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
Zverev has yet to beat top10 players in slam, let alone someone as tough as nadal. He does have game to beat him, but the execution, I'm not so sure of.
As of Medvedev, no way. He required a zombie nadal to finally win against him, and even then Nadal served for the match against him on the Russian's best surface.
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