Nadal footprint plaque permanently added to Phillipe Chatrier

The_Order said:
Only the most delusional people on this planet will believe that at age 36 he was better than ever... yet he won 3 slams that year and lost the final at the 4th in a 5 setter... the closest he ever got to winning a calendar slam!
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CYGS. A feat that no man may ever achieve again. The most difficult accomplishment in tennis.
One set away from winning a CYGS. The closest anyone has ever come since Laver over 50 years ago.
A true all surface threat. This is why Djoker is now acknowledged as the undisputed GOAT.

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The French are having one of their Hollywood moments with this adaptation of the idea of hands and footprints or a star on Hollywood Boulevard.
 
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Bartelby said:
The French are having one of their Hollywood moments with this adaptation of the idea of a star on Hollywood Boulevard.
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It is highly presumptuous and silly for Roland Garros to tweet Rafa is "The greatest there ever will be."
Sinner or Alcaraz or some other player could always come along and shatter all Clay records.
We must always leave the door open and not engage in fanatical over-the-top hero worship.
 
The main problem is that it is on the actual court. This seems to intrude too much on the field of play. But then again I've never liked sponsorship banners.

Better_Call_Raul said:
It is highly presumptuous and silly for Roland Garros to tweet Rafa is "The greatest there ever will be."
Sinner or Alcaraz or some other player could always come along and shatter all Clay records.
We must always leave the door open and not engage in fanatical over-the-top hero worship.
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Better_Call_Raul said:
One set away from winning a CYGS. The closest anyone has ever come since Laver over 50 years ago.
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3 = 1 :unsure:

He was never in that match. Major choke. Serena did as well when she was close.

Better_Call_Raul said:
A true all surface threat. This is why Djoker is now acknowledged as the undisputed GOAT.
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Doesn’t “undisputed” mean no one disputes it? :giggle:
 
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Better_Call_Raul said:
Let's keep things in context my dear.
When Roland Garros says your favourite Rafa is "the greatest that ever was" they are referring strictly to clay.
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My fav Raul I thought was a “strict constructionist.” They read the text exactly as written. They don’t inject their personal inferences. There is no qualification to the statement restricting it to clay.
 
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Better_Call_Raul said:
Had your favourite Djoker won the fifth set of the Wimbledon final, he would have achieved the 2023 CYGS.
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Egg is not my fav. He’s yours along with Carrot, Xi, Putin and Elon. You are my fav.

He was three sets away. Your idea of looking back after the USO at how close you were to W (or the other two) makes no sense. If you don’t come into NY with the other three then you had no chance. The pressure arises when you arrive at NY with the other three in your pocket. Then you have a chance at the CYGS. Even great players like Serena and Egg couldn’t handle it. But why are we talking about the same old topics. Please find a new topic to explore that can inspire posters, like your EV work.
 
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RSJfan said:
My fav Raul I thought was a “strict constructionist.” They read the text exactly as written. They don’t inject their personal inferences. There is no qualification to the statement restricting it to clay.
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The text says, "The greatest".
And there is a picture directly beneath the text listing Rafa's 14 RG victories.
It is clearly a reference to clay only. The greatest on clay.

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Better_Call_Raul said:
The text says, "The greatest".
And there is a picture directly beneath the text listing Rafa's 14 RG victories.
It is clearly a reference to clay only. The greatest on clay.

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Are you a strict constructionist like your fav Scalia or not? If you are then forget about looking beyond the text to pretty pictures. The text says what it says. There is no surface or any other limitation in the text. I’m sorry if once again you have been hoisted by your own petard.

Why do you consider the RG opinion so important anyway. Who cares. You are free to continue to insist that your fav Egg is the GOAT. :rolleyes:
 
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The_Order said:
Yeah what a time to be alive to witness him winning this thing 14 times... then to see him receive the plaque that represents that achievement which will remain there forever.
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Watching Draper and Monfils tonight almost dying on court after 3 hours and the commentators saying how brutal clay is just made me think about how God like Nadal's achievement was at RG and part of me is beginning to think about the Supernatural, genuinely so. 14 RG's is essentially humanly impossible.
 
messiahrobins said:
Watching Draper and Monfils tonight almost dying on court after 3 hours and the commentators saying how brutal clay is just made me think about how God like Nadal's achievement was at RG and part of me is beginning to think about the Supernatural, genuinely so. 14 RG's is essentially humanly impossible.
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Exactly. It takes SO MANY RALLIES AND WORK to win RG. And the fact that he did it after almost always having a crazy clay season going in. Ridiculous
 
messiahrobins said:
Watching Draper and Monfils tonight almost dying on court after 3 hours and the commentators saying how brutal clay is just made me think about how God like Nadal's achievement was at RG and part of me is beginning to think about the Supernatural, genuinely so. 14 RG's is essentially humanly impossible.
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And to cope the way he did with all the expectation. And he "only" had to beat Roger Federer in every single one of his first four RG titles lol.

Absolutely insane what he smashed his way through. Every year he just put the hard hat on and went to work. And even though we celebrate Nadal as tough and pragmatic, it was mercurial what he could do with the ball. His talent remains underrated. The feat of timing that was his forehand and the mixture of relentless accuracy and the amazing spin and flight and shape he could get on the ball, curling it into unseen new trajectories.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Exactly. It takes SO MANY RALLIES AND WORK to win RG. And the fact that he did it after almost always having a crazy clay season going in. Ridiculous
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I think, judging from Tsitsipas and Zverev's comments in the past few days, the highlighted point you eloquently raise is now beginning to hit home with the locker room. I am astonished they openly are mentioning era strengths. The inference though is so obvious. For almost 2 decades, clowns tried to diminish Rafa's clay achievements (claydal, King of Clay, 'but if we remove clay' etc) and behaved as if it was easy and routine what Rafa was doing. Now he has gone for good, the reality and sheer magnitude of what he did is now beginning to hit home finally.

The fact he also had the careers of McEnroe Lendl Agassi and Connors off clay as well i suspect is going to mean he will be regarded as the Greatest Sportsperson in any discipline ever because what he did at RG was so beyond humanly possible he will be immortalised. I dont think Androids with the best AI technology 300 years from now will be able to achieve what Rafa did at RG. Thats how mad it is. It is almost unreal.
 
Subway Tennis said:
And to cope the way he did with all the expectation. And he "only" had to beat Roger Federer in every single one of his first four RG titles lol.

Absolutely insane what he smashed his way through. Every year he just put the hard hat on and went to work. And even though we celebrate Nadal as tough and pragmatic, it was mercurial what he could do with the ball. His talent remains underrated. The feat of timing that was his forehand and the mixture of relentless accuracy and the amazing spin and flight and shape he could get on the ball, curling it into unseen new trajectories.
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Actually Draper is the guy who accentuates how mythical Nadal was. Draper is superb, exceptionally gifted. He has many of the basics Rafa had, i.e solid dependable BH, and a FH that spits venom and a nasty serve (Rafa's serve was always underrated). He has all the tools to be a RG winner. And yet, he is 10 leagues below Rafa as he lacks those mecurial aspects you refer to. Rafa's drop shots, and timing of when to use them was on another level. His ability to bend the ball with his banana shot is something Draper cannot do anywhere near as well or consistently. Rafa's inventiveness was once in a lifetime like almost (respectful nods to Sampras Federer Djokovic and Alcaraz who also had that Gift). Rafa's movement at his best was the best the game has ever seen, ive no idea why Monfils gets mentioned as Rafa pre-2011 had movement never seen before or since.
 
Incognito said:
I really like Roddick’s podcast. I always thought he hated Nadal, didn’t know he was such a fan.
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I am surprised as well, beginning to get the feeling the Nadal Adulation from those within the game was deliberately being held back until his big send off. It makes sense actually as what Rafa did at RG needed to be properly revered rather than get lost in GOAT talk where his RG achievements would be just sat alongside all his other achievements. The way the media have dealt with this is in hindsight perfect.
 
messiahrobins said:
Trying not to get too deitful and star struck, but f*ck me, the level of absolute reverence to Rafa is now evidently almost of biblical proportions, quite literally if you read the New Testament. The thing is with something like this, the Legend grows as time goes on. In 100 years time Rafa will be of almost mythical legend. And we saw it live, we witnessed it.
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Every pro playing in that stadium from now to eternity will think of him and wonder: “how the hell did he manage to win this thing 14 times. 14 years out of 18” :cool:
 
messiahrobins said:
Actually Draper is the guy who accentuates how mythical Nadal was. Draper is superb, exceptionally gifted. He has many of the basics Rafa had, i.e solid dependable BH, and a FH that spits venom and a nasty serve (Rafa's serve was always underrated). He has all the tools to be a RG winner. And yet, he is 10 leagues below Rafa as he lacks those mecurial aspects you refer to. Rafa's drop shots, and timing of when to use them was on another level. His ability to bend the ball with his banana shot is something Draper cannot do anywhere near as well or consistently. Rafa's inventiveness was once in a lifetime like almost (respectful nods to Sampras Federer Djokovic and Alcaraz who also had that Gift). Rafa's movement at his best was the best the game has ever seen, ive no idea why Monfils gets mentioned as Rafa pre-2011 had movement never seen before or since.
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Rafa was a middleweight roadrunner with perfect clay movement.

Draper is a very big guy, he's fast but the movement comparison is night and day. If anything, you could compare him to old Rafa.

Thing is, Rafa's groundstrokes were also better and more versatile. His backhand is often underrated, but it was a consistently top 2-5 backhand.
 
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