Nadal footprint plaque permanently added to Phillipe Chatrier

I was replying to a post that wanted a commemorative plaque on the hotel where Novak was imprisoned in Melbourne, so your remark is beside the point.

Australia is the least powerful country among the four by a long way, so that makes its event possess less gravitas almost by definition.

We were one of the most important tennis countries a hundred years ago and that's the only reason why we have a slam.

messiahrobins said:
Australia doesn't have the gravitas of Roland Garros. Wimbledon and Roland Garros are the most prestigious slams that's blatantly obvious from media coverage.
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DropWideShot said:
Well that explains the weak logic, the weak era is happening in people’s critical thinking skills.
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Better_Call_Raul said:
The text says, "The greatest".
And there is a picture directly beneath the text listing Rafa's 14 RG victories.
It is clearly a reference to clay only. The greatest on clay.

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Yeah, You guys are so right!!
this Olympic torch Rafa carried representing sports excellence in general, not just tennis also clearly says it's for CLAY!!

they definitely meant for djo to carry this as the UNDISPUTED king of tennis and sport in general but settled for RAFA

oh wait....:unsure::unsure:


Nadal is making his fourth Olympic appearance (2004, 2008, 2016) and is a two-time gold medalist (2008 singles, 2016 doubles).
 
I just can't believe how epic the celebration ended up being. The Big 4 are all inextricably linked, and to have them all together was the perfect way to commemorate King Rafa's extraordinary achievements at Roland Garros.

It's just such a unique plaque too. It's like Rafa has stomped his mark into Centre Court for all eternity.

RE: The renaming of the court from PC to Rafael Nadal, I am wondering if Nadal refusing the renaming of the court is out of deference to both Phillippe Chartrier and also Barcelona, where he already has a stadium court named in his honour.
 
JustMy2Cents said:
Yeah, You guys are so right!!
this Olympic torch Rafa carried representing sports excellence in general, not just tennis also clearly says it's for CLAY!!

they definitely meant for djo to carry this as the UNDISPUTED king of tennis and sport in general but settled for RAFA

oh wait....:unsure::unsure:
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Please rest assured that RG officials are NOT going to take sides on any GOAT debate while the beloved Djoker continues to play and smash all records. That would be ridiculous and RG officials cannot afford to look ridiculous and alienate millions around the globe.

It is clearly a reference to your favourite clay specialist Rafa's success at RG which is why his Wimbledon and US Open trophies are conspicuously absent in the poster. If RG officials intent was to crown Rafa as GOAT those victories would never have been omitted.
:rolleyes:

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Bartelby said:
I'm a civic nationalist, not an ethno-nationalist.
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Australia was Britain's penal colony. This is the root of Australia's "loveable rogue" culture of a friendly people always with a hint of mischievousness or rebellion about them, but also with a very dark underbelly in places.

Similarily, the US was the "aspiring" place for the criminals and heretics of Europe, especially from Britain and Germany, to "start over", forming the US culture of both the "American Dream" (originally in the east) and the Wild West lawlessness.

The British Empire left a huge legacy, or infamy. The imperialist attitude towards natives was to "go out into the big wide world and civilize the uncivilized tribes".
 
Yes, well, that is the myth rather than the reality. Australia was British to its bootstraps even if the Irish were the resident counter-culture.

The penal colony was run by a state-appointed elite and it created a social mechanism to integrate convicts back into socially useful roles.

As with America, there was a frontier to colonise so plenty of "gifts" or black-owned land to reward those who would promote rural industries.

Mustard said:
Australia was Britain's penal colony. This is the root of Australia's "loveable rogue" culture of a friendly people always with a hint of mischievousness or rebellion about them, but also with a very dark underbelly in places.

Similarily, the US was the "aspiring" place for the criminals and heretics of Europe, especially from Britain and Germany, to "start over", forming the US culture of both the "American Dream" (originally in the east) and the Wild West lawlessness.

The British Empire left a huge legacy, or infamy. The imperialist attitude towards natives was to "go out into the big wide world and civilize the uncivilized tribes".
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Better_Call_Raul said:
Please rest assured that RG officials are NOT going to take sides on any GOAT debate while the beloved Djoker continues to play and smash all records. That would be ridiculous and RG officials cannot afford to look ridiculous and alienate millions around the globe.

It is clearly a reference to your favourite clay specialist Rafa's success at RG which is why his Wimbledon and US Open trophies are conspicuously absent in the poster.
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Dude, we are not talking about a x post.
this is about the olympic torch, holding which is the pinnacle of acknowledgement of sporting excellence on world sport scene

Zidane and Nadal



why wasn't djo selected to hold it?

Also, Laureus created a new award... Sporting Icon for Rafa.

Nadal honoured with Laureus Sporting Icon Award​


Rafael Nadal accepts his award Monday evening in Madrid.

Goes to show how the sport world views Rafa... no amt of your charts and numbers are cutting it in the real world
 
JustMy2Cents said:
why wasn't djo selected to hold it?
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The Olympics were held in Paris where the clay specialist Rafa has a special connection via his RG victories. Sir Andy would have likewise carried the torch had Olympics been held in London.

All true tennis fans around the globe are now eagerly anticipating and rallying behind Djoker as he seeks to break Margaret Court's record and capture the historic #25 at Roland Garros.

Tennis fans are truly blessed to be witnessing this once-in-a-lifetime moment in tennis history.
 
Better_Call_Raul said:
Please rest assured that RG officials are NOT going to take sides on any GOAT debate while the beloved Djoker continues to play and smash all records. That would be ridiculous and RG officials cannot afford to look ridiculous and alienate millions around the globe.

It is clearly a reference to your favourite clay specialist Rafa's success at RG which is why his Wimbledon and US Open trophies are conspicuously absent in the poster. If RG officials intent was to crown Rafa as GOAT those victories would never have been omitted.
:rolleyes:

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He still has a good way to go to be regarded as the best by any margin.
 
Better_Call_Raul said:
The Olympics were held in Paris where the clay specialist Rafa has a special connection via his RG victories. Sir Andy would have likewise carried the torch had Olympics been held in London.

All true tennis fans around the globe are now eagerly anticipating and rallying behind Djoker as he seeks to break Margaret Court's record and capture the historic #25 at Roland Garros.

Tennis fans are truly blessed to be witnessing this once-in-a-lifetime moment in tennis history.
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wow! amazing insight on their selection process

I can see Serena who was also one of the final torch holders has.... checks notes... THREE RG titles... indeed the CLAY QUEEN! definitely no overall impact as sportsperson!

Carl Lewis and Nadia Comăneci also are great 'clay specialists'... it's not at all about their whole career accomplishments!

[btw, Andy analogy does not fit...IF Andy had a role in a hypothetical London olympics, it'd be because he's British one may think
and RAFA is NOT FRENCH!]

we TTWers are truly blessed to have your awesome insights! BRAVO
 
Bartelby said:
I was replying to a post that wanted a commemorative plaque on the hotel where Novak was imprisoned in Melbourne, so your remark is beside the point.

Australia is the least powerful country among the four by a long way, so that makes its event possess less gravitas almost by definition.

We were one of the most important tennis countries a hundred years ago and that's the only reason why we have a slam.
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Djokovic fans have got a real issue about plaques suddenly lol
 
Better_Call_Raul said:
The Olympics were held in Paris where the clay specialist Rafa has a special connection via his RG victories. Sir Andy would have likewise carried the torch had Olympics been held in London.

All true tennis fans around the globe are now eagerly anticipating and rallying behind Djoker as he seeks to break Margaret Court's record and capture the historic #25 at Roland Garros.

Tennis fans are truly blessed to be witnessing this once-in-a-lifetime moment in tennis history.
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You exactly proved his point :) If the Olympics were held in London, they would have maybe asked Andy, a brit, to carry the torch, not Rog, Novak or Pete
 
Many people are ignorant. The "Australian Legend" was refuted in 1958, but people prefer it to reality. Paul Hogan built a career on this myth.

The myth of Australians as ruggedly independent was invented by urban-dwelling story writers associated with the magazine called "The Bulletin" in the 1890s.

Better_Call_Raul said:
Many view Australia as the Texas of the Pacific.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448345783409983492
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Humphrey20133 said:
Yes, but how many appearances did it take for Novak to get to 10 at the AO compared to how many at RG it took for Rafa to get to 14? Now, compare how many times both were taken to 5 sets at their pet slam. I think Rafa won RG 3-4 times without even dropping a single set, something Novak has never done at the AO even once. What Rafa did at RG is otherworldly, and nothing else compares to it.
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I dunno. Winning all slams 3 times, winning >90 matches at all slams, more YEC than anyone else, and all the Masters 1000 twice and having the most year end No. 1s and the most weeks at Number one compares very nicely. I'd much rather have that than one great record at one slam.
 
ND-13 said:
That is not what i said at all. Over his career, he was the big daddy in the biggest battles.
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Nadal did very well in then end stages of slams ...if he got that far.

Those numbers, as with most of Nadal's records, are skewed by how many of those wins are in one clay place.

Djokovic and Federer were much more likely to get to the end of slams and play even if they had some injury.

It is a joke to me that Nadal fans suggest it is bad that Djokovic has been to the finals at the US Open 10 times and only won 4 times as if getting to the finals is not a good goal. So, it is better to lose earlier at AO, Wi, or US Open as Nadal often did compared to Djokovic and Federer.
 
ND-13 said:
Not in the same ballpark.

Winning RG is so much more harder than winning AO and he won it almost 1.5x times what Djokovic won.
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Why is it harder? There are a lot more good hardcourt players than clay court players, so I'd suggest it is decidedly easier. But I admit Nadal is the King of Clay.
 
Texas Tennis Fan said:
Why is it harder? There are a lot more good hardcourt players than clay court players, so I'd suggest it is decidedly easier. But I admit Nadal is the King of Clay.
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You need to give blood, sweat and tears to win RG..No serve botting , No ball bashing, No grinding - but a terrific combination of strategy, point construction, patience, endurance and skill.
 
ND-13 said:
You need to give blood, sweat and tears to win RG..No serve botting , No ball bashing, No grinding - but a terrific combination of strategy, point construction, patience, endurance and skill.
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I don't deny clay is different. But each slam has its own differences. There are more great and actually a LOT more great hard court players than clay court players. So, you could argue that Nadal had it the easiest at RG. Why could Nadal only get 2 wins at Wimbledon and 1 +1* at AO if he was incomparable as a tennis player?
 
Texas Tennis Fan said:
I don't deny clay is different. But each slam has its own differences. There are more great and actually a LOT more great hard court players than clay court players. So, you could argue that Nadal had it the easiest at RG. Why could Nadal only get 2 wins at Wimbledon and 1 +1* at AO if he was incomparable as a tennis player?
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Why did Djokovic only get 3 and Federer only 1 FO in like a zillion attempts ?

Just imagine Nadal's major total if there were 2 clay majors.. Probably he will be at 35 majors and Novak/Federer at 10-15.
 
Nadal was the last of the great clay court players, so when it came to clay there was no "big three or big four". There was only him.

ND-13 said:
Why did Djokovic only get 3 and Federer only 1 FO in like a zillion attempts ?

Just imagine Nadal's major total if there were 2 clay majors.. Probably he will be at 35 majors and Novak/Federer at 10-15.
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ND-13 said:
Why did Djokovic only get 3 and Federer only 1 FO in like a zillion attempts ?

Just imagine Nadal's major total if there were 2 clay majors.. Probably he will be at 35 majors and Novak/Federer at 10-15.
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Yes, and imagine if 3 out of 4 of the court were grass like in the 1960s. Federer would have 40 slams.

But all there of the Big 3 knew what sort of courts they were playing on and Nadal chose to keep his game as it is to maximize his chances at RG. No shame in that, but the what if questions are silly as Nadal himself has said. Only Djokovic has a full resume with at least three slams at all 4 Grand Slams. Nadal is the clay GOAT, maybe Federer is the grass GOAT, but Djokovic is THE GOAT.
 
Texas Tennis Fan said:
Yes, and imagine if 3 out of 4 of the court were grass like in the 1960s. Federer would have 40 slams.

But all there of the Big 3 knew what sort of courts they were playing on and Nadal chose to keep his game as it is to maximize his chances at RG. No shame in that, but the what if questions are silly as Nadal himself has said. Only Djokovic has a full resume with at least three slams at all 4 Grand Slams. Nadal is the clay GOAT, maybe Federer is the grass GOAT, but Djokovic is THE GOAT.
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Where is the 3 out of 4 coming ? If that is the case in clay, Rafa will have 50 majors and Novak/Fed less than 10 each

We all know the race was incredible close even with the huge huge advantage for Fed and Novak.

At least be honest to admit that
 
Better_Call_Raul said:
After tomorrow's victory over Zed, the Djoker will have won the most matches at Roland Garros.
We need another plaque for Djoker.
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Someone sounds jealous!

Don't worry, I'm sure Egg will be recognized somewhere when he retires....after all, tennis has to give a pat on the back to someone that has the GS record, just simple courtesy.. ;)
 
Sephiroth said:
Someone sounds jealous!

Don't worry, I'm sure Egg will be recognized somewhere when he retires....after all, tennis has to give a pat on the back to someone that has the GS record, just simple courtesy.. ;)
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Melbourne’s Park Hotel. Simple courtesy.
 
duaneeo said:
What makes you think they won't do it then? I doubt there will be another time in tennis history when a player in his 30s wins 4-5 titles at a slam, and we just had a 7-year era when it happened at three of the slams! That anomaly will surely be discussed for many years.

As earlier said, what made Nadal a RG legend worthy of many plaques is winning 9 RG titles over a 10 year period that included both Federer and Djokovic's peak years. Those other 5 titles are a sign of the times.
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The_Order said:
I don't care what casual fans or history books say.

The numbers will be there forever, but I won't. I know what I witnessed, and clearly Djok benefitted the most out of the cesspool era, there's no doubt about it.

He won as many slams from age 31-36 as he did from age 20 (when he won his first) through to age 30... oh and this is despite not playing 3 slams due to no WIM20 event and him getting banned from playing the AO22 and US22 events...

Only the most delusional people on this planet will believe that at age 36 he was better than ever... yet he won 3 slams that year and lost the final at the 4th in a 5 setter... the closest he ever got to winning a calendar slam!
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Thats why I always bring in the 30th birthday when we compare across the decades the most dominant players

Top 5 most dominant players at a Slam on their 30th birthday (end of prime)

01. Nadal at FO - 9 French Opens (in 10 years)
02. Sampras at W - 7 Wimbledons (in 8 years)
03. Borg at RG - 6 French Opens (in 7 years)
04. Federer at W - 6 Wimbledons (in 7 years)
05. Djokovic at AO - 6 Aus Opens (in 9 years)

So it is safe to say that Sampras was the most dominant player at a pet slam until Nadal raised the bar, on the other hand Federer/Djokovic could not raise the bar in their primes, it was great age shift which helped them later on. Everything else won after touching 30 is great age shift, it does count but it also comes at the mercy of next generation players who are a decade younger and plenty of other reasons too.
 
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