Nadal has been net UNLUCKY in non-clay slams in his career, not lucky

[NatF]

4 weeks bestie

Good talk

 

[President]

I think injuries are part of the game, Nadal was blessed with his speed, endurance, and talent, but also with a somewhat fragile body injury-wise. It's part of his overall package as a player.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

 

[MichaelNadal]

Good talk

 

[RS]

Look at PETE.

 

[NatF]

Look at PETE.

Perfectly timed picture if I ever saw one lol.

 

[RS]

Who played better Hewitt USO 01 final or Stan AO 14 final?

 

[Beerus]

 

[President]

Who played better Hewitt USO 01 final or Stan AO 14 final?

Hewitt. Nadal was awful in AO14 final, so it's hard to evaluate Stan's level.

 

[junior74]

So Nadal 8 years out of his prime, is still too good for the generations after him.

Laughable level on the ATP tour.

 

[NatF]

Who played better Hewitt USO 01 final or Stan AO 14 final?

Hewitt of course

 

[Gt86]

so you got no link of Sampras saying that.
To conclude you are not just delusional, but a blatant liar.
As the saying goes -> liar, liar pants on fire.

What do you think incredible means. And i saw the interview he did for australian tv . Little tip for you. Actually watch events live then you will be up to speed. Sampras said live on TV Nadals performance was incredible, best he has ever seen and to see it up close had him in awe as he had never seen Nadal live before.
Anyway the point is and why i suggested you go and watch AO2022 is because Nadal righted the wrong of aO 2014. 8 years later redemption happened. That is the beauty of it. Im a big Wawrinka fan so now im happy with AO 2014 as from Nadals pov it no longer matters as he took care of business this year so i am pleased for Stan. All good. Happy days.

 

[Gt86]

don't forget ancient Hewitt draggin Djoko at Oly 12, beating delpo in USO 13
hewitt nearly beating nadal at hamburg 07
oh and nadal, djokovic, sampras, agassi having combined 0 bagels vs him.
nadal played very good in R2 at 2009 RG and GOATed in R3.
that's reality irrespectively of ignorant or salty people saying otherwise.

Nadal didn't play as well vs Hewitt in RG 2006 and RG 2010. (or even RG 07)

This has to be the weakest argument(if one can call it an argument) of all time.
Counting bagels. Just lol.

 

[RS]

Hewitt of course

Agassi AO 04 SF or Federer USO 11 SF?

 

[RS]

Hewitt. Nadal was awful in AO14 final, so it's hard to evaluate Stan's level.

Nadal RG 05 SF or Nadal RG 11 final?

 

[President]

Nadal RG 05 SF or Nadal RG 11 final?

Probably 2005

 

[mike danny]

Probably 2005

Yeah.

It must be noted though that the Fedal match-up started looking different after 2010.

 

[abmk]

This has to be the weakest argument(if one can call it an argument) of all time.
Counting bagels. Just lol.

it was about so everyne GOATing against Hewitt.
Hence why I said what I did.

What do you think incredible means. And i saw the interview he did for australian tv . Little tip for you. Actually watch events live then you will be up to speed. Sampras said live on TV Nadals performance was incredible, best he has ever seen and to see it up close had him in awe as he had never seen Nadal live before.
Anyway the point is and why i suggested you go and watch AO2022 is because Nadal righted the wrong of aO 2014. 8 years later redemption happened. That is the beauty of it. Im a big Wawrinka fan so now im happy with AO 2014 as from Nadals pov it no longer matters as he took care of business this year so i am pleased for Stan. All good. Happy days.

I did watch AO 14 live, unlike you trollop. nadal was not even 2nd best player at AO, let alone best.
incredible doesn't mean best. so you lied
I watched AO 22 final live. Sucked quality wise.
Anyways you are a liar on top of being an utterly fanatical nadal fan.
No poiint in discussing with someone like you. Off to ignore you go.

 

[Third Serve]

I don't think Nadal was very loopy or passive in the clay season. he played well in Monte Carlo, barca and Rome.
struggled with conditions at Madrid to an extent. dasco, djoko and fed.
less than 2008, but not as much as you are making it out to be.

I guess I was too harsh on him but to me his 2009 season, after the AO at least, never really impressed me to the same degree as 2008. I even find that famous clay Masters trilogy with Djokovic a bit overrated, especially the Madrid SF (I actually think the Monte-Carlo match was better). The Hamburg 2008 match was definitely better from Nadal than any of those three. I feel like a lot of the time his FH wasn't getting an awful lot of depth then, although I will say the Hewitt match at RG was really good stuff from him. My general point is that I think Nadal would be coming into Wimbledon 2009 with a slightly lower level than 2008. Whether that would actually translate to the tournament itself is harder to discern, but I think my point is a fair one to consider given the available evidence.

 

[mike danny]

I guess I was too harsh on him but to me his 2009 season, after the AO at least, never really impressed me to the same degree as 2008. I even find that famous clay Masters trilogy with Djokovic a bit overrated, especially the Madrid SF (I actually think the Monte-Carlo match was better). The Hamburg 2008 match was definitely better from Nadal than any of those three. I feel like a lot of the time his FH wasn't getting an awful lot of depth then, although I will say the Hewitt match at RG was really good stuff from him. My general point is that I think Nadal would be coming into Wimbledon 2009 with a slightly lower level than 2008. Whether that would actually translate to the tournament itself is harder to discern, but I think my point is a fair one to consider given the available evidence.

So 2009 was Fed's chance for revenge. A shame.

 

[NatF]

People talking like Nadal would just walk through a draw of Hewitt/Roddick/Murray/Fed on grass are deluded lol. Could he do it? Yes, but he'd need to be really sharp and in top form. Fed alone would be a toss-up match.

 

[RS]

Probably 2005

For me a roughly similar level both around 9.25.

 

[mike danny]

People talking like Nadal would just walk through a draw of Hewitt/Roddick/Murray/Fed on grass are deluded lol. Could he do it? Yes, but he'd need to be really sharp and in top form. Fed alone would be a toss-up match.

That would be a tough draw even for Fed himself, let alone Nadal.

 

[NatF]

That would be a tough draw even for Fed himself, let alone Nadal.

VB still drunk after the AO.

 

[mike danny]

VB still drunk after the AO.

They had this view even before the AO, that's the problem.

 

[Gt86]

it was about so everyne GOATing against Hewitt.
Hence why I said what I did.



I did watch AO 14 live, unlike you trollop. nadal was not even 2nd best player at AO, let alone best.
incredible doesn't mean best. so you lied
I watched AO 22 final live. Sucked quality wise.
Anyways you are a liar on top of being an utterly fanatical nadal fan.
No poiint in discussing with someone like you. Off to ignore you go.

Oh dear you are struggling. Did Sampras call Stan Roger or Novak incredible? No. So yes Nadal was the hst player according to Sampras. He actually said so and yet you still complain lol.
As for AO 2022 quality it was high quality last 3 sets which means you tuened off when Nadal was playijg better lol.
Why are you even here? You dont seem to actually like tennis as all you post is anti Nadal rants. I cannot see the point tbh. With Nadal being the Slam record holder keep thinking about Nadal as posting must be purgatory . I have no idea if you even follow a player ad not once have you made a postive post about another player. Amazing really.

 

[RS]

Hilarious thread.

 

[RS]

Primedal is generally agreed to have been from 2008-2014.

In this time...
On grass:

• He didn’t even play at Wimbledon ‘09 through injury, missing the opportunity to play a weaker Federer or Roddick/Murray. He won the 2 Wimbledons either side of this in 2008 and 2010.
• During his 2012 match against a zoning ballbasher Rosol who couldn’t miss, he sustained an injury to the extent that he was immediately out for the next 8 months

He missed 3 hard court slams altogether:

• 2012 US Open, in which Djokovic was at a far lower level than in 2011 and Federer didn’t even make the final. Nadal reached the 3 other US finals in this period (2010-13)
• 2013 Aussie Open. Nadal reached the final of the Aussie Opens in 2012 and 2014, won Indian Wells as soon as he returned to hard court in 2013, and beat Djokovic in their outdoor HC matches in 2013
• 2014 US Open which was Upset Open; neither Federer or Djokovic reached the final

He sustained injury at 3 hard court slams:

• Retired against Murray at the Aussie Open in 2010. Nadal was defending his title and comfortably won the other HC slam in 2010.
• Lost a match with a hamstring injury (imo one of the rarest and unluckiest injuries in tennis) vs his then-pigeon Ferrer at the 2011 AO. Peakovic would have been a huge challenge but Nadal had won the previous HC slam match vs Djokovic comfortably and before the mental block set in during the clay season, he ran Djokovic close in their next HC matches despite serving at 41% at IW (plus Primedal was always better at Bo5 than Bo3 on hard court)
• Lost the 2014 AO final, where he got a back injury in the warmup against a guy he’d never lost a set to on HC before (and who he is 19-3 against with the other Ls coming in 2015)

That’s 8 injury-affected slams off-clay in his prime years. Nadal was finalling or winning the majority of the other non-clay slams in this period. No other ATG has had anything close to this injury record in their prime (Djokovic and Federer missed 0 non clay slams with injury in their primes).

Nadal benefitting from 3 nice HC slam draws since 2017 (when in the same period, Federer has benefitted from 2, '17W and '18AO, and Djokovic from 3, '18 USO, '21 AO and '21W) is just luck evening trying to even itself out from his horror prime period.

But he is still net unlucky with non-clay slams in his career.

2 of those 8 seems right in my eyes.

 

[SonnyT]

I agree except for Djokovic being in a low level at the Us Open 2012, he wasn't

Absolutely Djokovic went down several gears from '11. In '12-14, he hit a skid and won only 3 slams during these 3 years.

To gauge how Djokovic fell from his peaks: in '11 and '15, he won 3 slams each of those years, but in the 3 intervening years '12-14, he only won 3 slams,

 

[The_Order]

Lol. You can spot the people who do not watch or play tennis. Anyone saying 'oh he was a set and break up means player y would have won' definitely has never played tennis other than hit and giggle stuff

Wasn't Baghdatis up a set and a break in 06 AO final?

So if Fed got injured... safe to assume he'd have lost anyway

 

[Enceladus]

2009 Wimbledon and 2013 AO Nadal didn't miss out because of injury, that's just his favorite excuse, but because of a bruised ego. Rafa didn't believe in the title at those events. 2009 Wimbledon was just after RG where Rafa suffered his first RG defeat and 2013 AO took place during Nadal's long break from the game, if he played there he would be rusty and not go far.

And when it comes to the USO, on the contrary, Rafa had favorable circumstances where DecoTurf, with its slow speed and high bounce of the balls, perfectly suited Rafa's game. With Laykold in the 2010s decade, Nadal would not have 4 USO titles.