Nadal has more than 1 slam on each surface

[namelessone]

I'll go on record too. Nadal is the best clay courter ever.

Having said that, he needed bogus MTOs to get through the early rounds of Wimbledon and his USOs are overwhelmingly regarded as the 2 biggest joke draws of the open era.

The only legitimate non-clay big title he has won is 2009 AO (if you omit all of his other forms of gamesmanship). And that one's on Federer. It's probably the worst loss of his career.

There you go, Nadal got to to 5 WB finals by taking MTO's in the first week. Simple enough.

Let's go through the all the luck Nadal has:

-forced lefty.
-tech to give him massive spin.
-slowed down surfaces.
-mostly clown/weak draws.
-cheating he mostly gets away with.
-doping.
-matches up quite well with rivals.
-all guys that can beat him have issues(davydenko too old, gulbis inconsistent, berdych turned fanboy, soderling got mono, delpotro injured all the time, djokovic 2.0 reversed to pre-patch version, murray had surgery etc.)

At the end of the day Nadal still made 11 non-clay GS finals. You can't exactly explain all those away via MTO, weak draw or luck. The guy also made 15 HC MS finals.

The guy has 8 HC MS titles, made multiple finals in AO and USO, beat guys like Delpo,Fed,Djoko,Raonic,Karlovic,Janowicz,Gulbis,Dimitrov on hardcourts, what more proof do you want? I mean, aren't Djoko/Fed PREMIER hardcourters? You would think that beating them would give you some cred on HC. If you beat Nadal on clay, your clay rep surely goes up.

If somehow Nadal manages to win a indoor title(WTF), I'm sure that will be excused away as well - Fed is too old, Djokovic is getting married, Murray isn't up to form etc. If he won 3 AO in a row and 3 USO (he actually made 3 finals in a row when he entered, 2010,2011,2013) it would still be downplayed as being due to homogenized courts and clown draws.

 

[heninfan99]

Nadal may be the greatest sportsman of all sports of all time.
How many more slams will he get? I think Fed can reach #18. Not sure if Nadal can catch that number.

While Fed only has 1 clay slam.




Yet Fed fans are the ones saying Nadal needs to do more off of clay?


3 hardcourt slams along with an Olympic Gold, 2 Wimbledons, and 9 French's isn't enough ?



Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. :shock::shock:

 

[moonballs]

If Nadal gets Federer's 2006 AO draw in 2015 he'll win it without dropping a set.

Unfortunately he's most likely going to have to deal with Novak and/or Murray again...

Thanks Roddick :lol:

Nadal didn't get an easier draw in 2014 AO?

 

[ravelok]

and his USOs are overwhelmingly regarded as the 2 biggest joke draws of the open era.

Please, I can think of a ton of easier draws:

Hewitt 2002 Wimbledon
Federer 2006 Australian Open
Federer 2009 Roland Garros
Agassi 1994 U.S Open
Agassi 1999 U.S Open
Sampras 2000 Wimbledon
Gaudio 2004 French Open
Ferrero 2003 French Open

and many others.

More to the point though there was nobody beating him at those 2 U.S Opens anyway so it didn't matter what his draw was. Who did he avoid he was going to lose to, Federer? :lol:

 

[Fiji]

While Fed only has 1 clay slam.




Yet Fed fans are the ones saying Nadal needs to do more off of clay?


3 hardcourt slams along with an Olympic Gold, 2 Wimbledons, and 9 French's isn't enough ?



Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. :shock::shock:

He needs more slams off clay. Too lopsided. 1922

 

[jelle v]

While Fed only has 1 clay slam.




Yet Fed fans are the ones saying Nadal needs to do more off of clay?


3 hardcourt slams along with an Olympic Gold, 2 Wimbledons, and 9 French's isn't enough ?



Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. :shock::shock:

I wonder if even Nadal fans like posts like these..

A bitter Sampras fan that starts to argue Nadal's success just to try to downplay Federer's achievements, which by a mile surpass Sampras his achievements, a thing that pretty much everybody agrees on..

One could try to go in debate with you, but you will just argue blindly because you don't like Federer, so it's a total waste to try to get into a meaningful debate with you.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Please, I can think of a ton of easier draws:

Hewitt 2002 Wimbledon
Federer 2006 Australian Open
Federer 2009 Roland Garros
Agassi 1994 U.S Open
Agassi 1999 U.S Open
Sampras 2000 Wimbledon
Gaudio 2004 French Open
Ferrero 2003 French Open

and many others.

More to the point though there was nobody beating him at those 2 U.S Opens anyway so it didn't matter what his draw was. Who did he avoid he was going to lose to, Federer? :lol:

Give me a break.

Many players could have beaten him in 2010. He didn't win a single other hard court event that year besides Tokyo. He fluked the USO with his clown draw.

He had HC losses to Davydenko, Murray twice, Ljubicic, Roddick, Baghdatis, Garcia Lopez, Melzer, and Federer. And many other players could've beaten him had they been given the opportunity to play him on HC.

And yes, even 2010 Federer could've beaten him on fast hard court. We saw him beat him on a medium hard court a couple months later.

Nadal has not dominated HC any year except 2013. People with their short memories forget his disappearing act after Wimbledon each year. 2013 the tour was just extremely weak. He got lucky with Murray's injury, Del Potro's injury re-emerging, etc. But he still could've faced much tougher competition than he did.

 

[tacou]

You need to understand, 90's Clay is obsessed with hating on Federer, he needs justification on an hourly basis (just look at all his posts). How do you think people on here get "Legend" status? By sitting in a basement making thousands of posts and ranting over their favorite players.

Too true .

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

http://tennis28.com/charts/Borg_Nadal_ATP_Titles.GIF

Observe this graph, and notice the typical walkabout Nadal does indeed do after RG/Wimbledon time.

Indeed, look at 2013 and his more consistent results. The best time for Nadal fans ever was probably the summer of 2008 and the 2013 comeback given their contexts and the frequency of the tournament wins. Granted, he did win more Majors in 2010.

Also, Nadal must have put in a MASSIVE effort in the last year or so to achieve the greatest volume of wins in his career other than seemingly in 2005. Maybe he's due a big let-down.

 

[jhhachamp]

While Fed only has 1 clay slam.

What point are you trying to make?

Yet Fed fans are the ones saying Nadal needs to do more off of clay?

Who are you responding to?

3 hardcourt slams along with an Olympic Gold, 2 Wimbledons, and 9 French's isn't enough?

Again, who are you responding to? Enough for what?