Nadal has never lost a final to NextGen player

Yugram

Hall of Fame
An interesting stat to think about before the US Open final.

Lets count:

Barcelona 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-1

Madrid 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 7-6 6-4

Beijing 2017 final – Nadal v Kyrgios 6-2 6-1

Barcelona 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 6-1

Rome 2018 final – Nadal v Zverev 6-1 1-6 6-3

Roland Garros 2018 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-3 6-2

Toronto 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 7-6

Roland Garros 2019 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-3 5-7 6-1 6-1

Montreal 2019 final – Nadal v Medvedev 6-3 6-0

Overall: 9-0
 
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Yugram

Hall of Fame
Right now Nadal is the strongest guardian of The Big 3 legacy, as both Federer and Djokovic had some unexpected losses in the finals to younger players.
 

alexio88

Hall of Fame
Diamond gen then?
да, спорный вопрос, тоже думал что тим оттуда, но потом многие тут говорят что и правда он что-то среднее между поколениями, еще.. я конечно не большой спец по английскому, окорочок у нас тут самый спец в этом, но майклнадаль сказал..я еще не праздную, и когда отрицание идет, то в ответе нужно ставить тоже отрицание, т.е. не so do i, а neither do i;)
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
@Yugram What do you think about the semifinal?
Fell asleep right before the match started, so watched replay in the morning. First set reminded me of Mayer 2017 match, except Nadal was the better player all set. Berrettini has the firepower, but is often clueless what to do with it except for bash as hard as possible. Overall I’m satisfied. Feel like Rafa can get one or two steps better for the final like he did in Montreal.
 
Fell asleep right before the match started, so watched replay in the morning. First set reminded me of Mayer 2017 match, except Nadal was the better player all set. Berrettini has the firepower, but is often clueless what to do with it except for bash as hard as possible. Overall I’m satisfied. Feel like Rafa can get one or two steps better for the final like he did in Montreal.
Ah, it was terrible seeing him missing 6 break points in the first set. To be fair only one of them can be really called a missed chance, other that that Berrettini just served too well. Then he started the tie break from some terrible errors (including a double fault) and I was sure he was losing it. I have no idea how he managed to come back and win the tie break.

Overall, Nadal's return was bad, but other than that it was a pretty good match from him. At least the forehand was getting in, unlike against Schwartzman.
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
Ah, it was terrible seeing him missing 6 break points in the first set. To be fair only one of them can be really called a missed chance, other that that Berrettini just served too well. Then he started the tie break from some terrible errors (including a double fault) and I was sure he was losing it. I have no idea how he managed to come back and win the tie break.

Overall, Nadal's return was bad, but other than that it was a pretty good match from him. At least the forehand was getting in, unlike against Schwartzman.
If you are saying it was a good match then I’m confident. :D
 
If you are saying it was a good match then I’m confident. :D
Except the return. On first serve return he was standing too far, on second serve too close. As a result he needed 10 break points to finally get his first break. He was also pretty nervous because he couldn't convert a BP, that made his return game even worse. But what I liked is that Berrettini himself didn't have even 1 BP during the match. Nadal really dominated in his own service games.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
An interesting stat to think about before the US Open final.

Lets count:

Barcelona 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-1

Madrid 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 7-6 6-4

Beijing 2017 final – Nadal v Kyrgios 6-2 6-1

Barcelona 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 6-1

Rome 2018 final – Nadal v Zverev 6-1 1-6 6-3

Roland Garros 2018 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-3 6-2

Toronto 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 7-6

Roland Garros 2019 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-3 5-7 6-1 6-1

Montreal 2019 final – Nadal v Medvedev 6-3 6-0

Overall: 9-0
Well, you've just jinxed him.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Right now Nadal is the strongest guardian of The Big 3 legacy, as both Federer and Djokovic had some unexpected losses in the finals to younger players.
And yet Nadal is the one who is Novak's and RF's pigeon in recent years. Very strange.
 

ibbi

Legend
Thiem is not a nextgen player, neither is Kyrgios really. Of course he still hasn't lost one, but the sample size is smaller, and there's a first time for everything, right?
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Thiem is not a nextgen player, neither is Kyrgios really. Of course he still hasn't lost one, but the sample size is smaller, and there's a first time for everything, right?
Kyrgios is a NextGen player. He is only 24. The cut-off point is 1995.
 

ibbi

Legend
Kyrgios is a NextGen player. He is only 24. The cut-off point is 1995.
He is only 24? 24 is supposed to be like the prime of a tennis players career, until these dudes started skewing the average age upwards 24 is about the average age of grand slams champions in the open era.

And who says the cut off point is 95? He was considered too old to be part of the first Milan tournament, wasn't he?
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is 2-3 since 2017 with "pigeon".
Yes, it is very convenient for you to cherry-pick those stats. 2017 is when Novak had his by far weakest year. Let's look rather at the slams. He beat Rafa at Wimby and AO.

It's slams that count by far the most.

Besides, OBVIOUSLY I'm talking about non-clay events. Though even there Novak and Rafa have been even since 2011/2012, 8-7 for Rafa.

Any questions?
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
Yes, it is very convenient for you to cherry-pick those stats. 2017 is when Novak had his by far weakest year. Let's look rather at the slams. He beat Rafa at Wimby and AO.

It's slams that count by far the most.

Besides, OBVIOUSLY I'm talking about non-clay events. Though even there Novak and Rafa have been even since 2011/2012, 8-7 for Rafa.

Any questions?
Yes-yes, clay doesn’t exist by default. No questions at all.
 

zipplock

Semi-Pro
An interesting stat to think about before the US Open final.

Lets count:

Barcelona 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-1

Madrid 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 7-6 6-4

Beijing 2017 final – Nadal v Kyrgios 6-2 6-1

Barcelona 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 6-1

Rome 2018 final – Nadal v Zverev 6-1 1-6 6-3

Roland Garros 2018 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-3 6-2

Toronto 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 7-6

Roland Garros 2019 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-3 5-7 6-1 6-1

Montreal 2019 final – Nadal v Medvedev 6-3 6-0

Overall: 9-0
The mother of all jinxes was just unleashed!!!!
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
An interesting stat to think about before the US Open final.

Lets count:

Barcelona 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-1

Madrid 2017 final – Nadal v Thiem 7-6 6-4

Beijing 2017 final – Nadal v Kyrgios 6-2 6-1

Barcelona 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 6-1

Rome 2018 final – Nadal v Zverev 6-1 1-6 6-3

Roland Garros 2018 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-4 6-3 6-2

Toronto 2018 final – Nadal v Tsitsipas 6-2 7-6

Roland Garros 2019 final – Nadal v Thiem 6-3 5-7 6-1 6-1

Montreal 2019 final – Nadal v Medvedev 6-3 6-0

Overall: 9-0
Upd:

US Open 2019 final – Nadal v Medvedev 7-5 6-3 5-7 4-6 6-4

Overall: 10-0
 

clout

Hall of Fame
The youngest player he ever lost a final to is Querrey, who is now almost 32 years old.
Damn I actually didn’t know that. I thought he would’ve lost to like Del Potro but they’ve actually only ever played in one final
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
Upd:

US Open 2019 final – Nadal v Medvedev 7-5 6-3 5-7 4-6 6-4

Overall: 10-0
You been alerted by a few members, including me, that Thiem doesn't belong to the Next Gen group, but you ignored it. :mad: Nadal's balance in the final against Next Gen players is 6-0!
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
You been alerted by a few members, including me, that Thiem doesn't belong to the Next Gen group, but you ignored it. :mad: Nadal's balance in the final against Next Gen players is 6-0!
Ok, so where do we put him? He doesn’t belong to lost gen, the younger members of it are already nearing their 30’s. Read the title "to NextGen player +Thiem" if you want so, alerter.
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
Ok, so where do we put him? He doesn’t belong to lost gen, the younger members of it are already nearing their 30’s. Read the title "to NextGen player +Thiem" if you want so, alerter.
This thing is not just about Thiem. Jack Sock (* 1992), Lucas Pouillle (* 1994) and others, do you think they belong to the Next Gen? Don't be ridiculous. Name Thiem's generation 1992-94 as you want, perhaps LOST GEN 2.0, but they don't belong to the Next Gen, next to Zverev, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov and others. By purposefully adding Thiem to the Next Gen group, you won't change the fact that Thiem was born in the first half of the 1990s, while Zverev, Shapovalov, Medvedev and others in the second half of the 1990s.
 
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