Nadal has no real rivals in tennis record books

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Nadal's perfect 10s are among the greatest numbers in sport

Rohit Brijnath
Assistant Sports Editor
PUBLISHED
MAY 2, 2017, 5:00 AM SGT
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Pencil sharpeners, museum toilet paper, garden gnomes. Chopstick wrappers, old socks, shrunken heads. Across the world, people tend to collect rather strange things. So does Rafael Nadal, but his addiction is slightly healthier - it involves collecting victories in the dirt. What else would you expect from a gladiator?

Tennis' highest winning rate on carpet is .853 by John McEnroe, on hard courts it is .840 by Novak Djokovic, on grass it is .912 by Don Budge but on clay it is .917 by Nadal. To call him the greatest player on clay is insufficient. In fact, he is greater on clay than anyone else has been on anything else in the history of tennis.

Sport generates waves of numbers every day and we surf on them till they don't interest us any more. We might think 200 is cool, which in yards is roughly how far Alan Shepard hit his second golf shot on the moon. We might consider 64 to be freaky, which is the number of degrees a MotoGP motorcycle can lean without falling over. But, as Nadal will testify, there is no number quite as strong and as snazzy as 10 which, as of last Sunday, is how many titles he has in Barcelona.

And, well, Monte Carlo, too. And soon, possibly, the French Open.

Ten has been taken seriously as a number since the plagues visited and commandments arrived. In sport it has historically represented toughness, for it's the number of events in the decathlon and the seconds a downed boxer has to return to his feet. Ten is also an invisible barrier, as every 100m sprinter stuck at 10.01 seconds will tell you.


Ten is exactly how many men Manchester United needed to beat Arsenal in their 1999 FA Cup replay and the number Reggie Miller summoned when he had to emphasise a point. Said the basketballer once on a radio show: "Michael Jordan on his worst day is 10 times better than Kobe Bryant on his best day".


Taking the plunge together, ballkids join Rafael Nadal in the traditional dive into the pool after he defeated Dominic Thiem 6-4, 6-1 to win the ATP Barcelona Open for an unprecedented 10th time last Sunday. PHOTO: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Ten is the holy number on the back of a football shirt, though the first, celebrated wearer of it, that Pele guy, reportedly noted that it was a legend born from luck. "I was just 17 in 1958 and the numbers were drawn. I got No. 10 and that's how it all started."

Ten, of course, is perfection, it is sporting divinity, it is the number we hold up almost in surrender when confronted with flawlessness. In 1982, diver Greg Louganis got an unequalled perfect 10 from all seven judges in the world championships. In 1976, it was the only number that judges could summon up after watching Nadia Comaneci on the uneven bars at the Montreal Olympics.

Comaneci was probably stunned because she told Reuters last year that she felt - and athletes instinctively know how a performance has been - her routine was imperfect. "I thought I did a pretty good routine but I didn't think I did my perfect routine. I know I didn't watch the scoreboard as I was already thinking about the balance beam after I finished."

But now have come two 10s in tennis which are equally mesmerising. If Nadal adds Paris to Monte Carlo and Barcelona it will be a tennis triptych that will hang untouched in history for a while. Yet to have done it once, let alone twice, is extraordinary if you consider he has no real rivals in tennis' record books.

His multiple 10s are a blend of excellence and consistency, stubbornness and survival. More than just a player, he seems in some ways to be an explorer, venturing to where no athlete has. The Reinhold Messner of the dust.

Ten titles in one geographical location is seriously intimidating. It is two more than Milos Raonic has won across the entire globe and it is double anything that John McEnroe ever collected at a single event. Novak Djokovic at least has six, at the Australian Open, Miami and Beijing.

In the old days, at Wimbledon, the champion only played a single match - the final. Still, William Renshaw could only collect seven titles, a feat equalled by Pete Sampras who had to sweat the entire fortnight. Further away in Europe, it was at a very distinguished German address - Roger-Federer-Allee 4 - that a Swiss fellow won eight grasscourt titles in Halle.

But no one is Nadal's equal. He is first because somehow he lasts. His multiple 10s are a blend of excellence and consistency, stubbornness and survival. More than just a player, he seems in some ways to be an explorer, venturing where no athlete has. The Reinhold Messner of the dust.

The first year Nadal won the French Open, 2005, was the first year he won Barcelona and Monte Carlo. He won eight clay events in that year -Federer has 11 in his lifetime - and it was a time so long ago that Asafa Powell was setting the world 100m record and that Lance guy was cheating his way to the Tour de France.

Now Nadal is still running. He's chasing the French and you can see it in the face of this man whose entire career has seemed like an endless resurrection. If you consider the rebellion of his body, it seems preposterous he found time to collect 10 of anything beyond MRIs. Perhaps only the poets know the answer to such men, or as Alfred, Lord Tennyson, taking refuge in numbers, once wrote:

My strength is as the strength of ten/ Because my heart is pure.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/tennis/nadals-perfect-10s-are-among-the-greatest-numbers-in-sport
 
Nadal's clay court achievements are indeed incomparable, on any given surface.

10 titles at Monte Carlo and Barcelona is insane.

10 titles at Roland Garros would be unsurpassable, possibly ever.

Yet, for all this, he's still not as great as Federer or Laver - nor would he be, even with that other, possibly-yet-to-come Decima.

So be it.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Rafa is the clay GOAT. He can keep all of those records on clay. That is what a clay GOAT does. He deserves all the praise for it he can get.

He is NOT GOAT though. Roger does not need the dependency of ONE surface to have legendary numbers. ;)
Clay is as valid as everything else;) most Nadal fans don't care about him being better than Fed
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Rafa is the clay GOAT. He can keep all of those records on clay. That is what a clay GOAT does. He deserves all the praise for it he can get.

He is NOT GOAT though. Roger does not need the dependency of ONE surface to have legendary numbers. ;)
Roger doesn't dominate on all surfaces so why does that make him overall GOAT, if there is such a thing?
 

CivicLx

Hall of Fame

Rohit Brijnath
Assistant Sports Editor
PUBLISHED
MAY 2, 2017, 5:00 AM SGT

"..........no one is Nadal's equal. He is first because somehow he lasts. His multiple 10s are a blend of excellence and consistency, stubbornness and survival. More than just a player, he seems in some ways to be an explorer, venturing where no athlete has. The Reinhold Messner of the dust."

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/tennis/nadals-perfect-10s-are-among-the-greatest-numbers-in-sport
Hi clayqueen, I've never really talked to you before but I know you're legendary around here for certain reasons:oops: You're a Nadal fan and you worship him. Understandable. He is phenomenal and everything he has accomplished in his career is awe-inspiring. He's a fighter, a raging bull if you will and I'm willing to bet he's a good guy off the court as well. But you don't honestly think he's the greatest of all time do you? I'm not talking about success. We know that's Roger's thing. But do you actually think Nadal is more talented than Federer? You must admit that Nadal can not be in GOAT debate until he at least reaches 18 no? Right now debate is between Roger and Chuck Norris as ATGOATS. Would you not agree, no?:)
 
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2HBH-DTL

Guest
Roger doesn't dominate on all surfaces so why does that make him overall GOAT, if there is such a thing?
He's the overall GOAT because of his records and what he's accomplished in the sport of tennis. And the fact that he has dominated all other surfaces as well as being arguably the second best player on clay the last 10 years?
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Hi clayqueen, I've never really talked to you before but I know you're legendary around here for certain reasons:oops: You're a Nadal fan and you worship him. Understandable. He is phenomenal and everything he has accomplished in his career is awe-inspiring. He's a fighter, a raging bull if you will and I'm willing to bet he's a good guy off the court as well. But you don't honestly think he's the greatest of all time do you? I'm not talking about success. We know that's Roger's thing. But do you actually think Nadal is more talented than Federer? You must admit that Nadal can not be in GOAT debate until he at least reaches 18 no? Right now debate is between Roger and Chuck Norris as ATGOATS. Would you not agree, no?:)
The article is not about being GOAT. First, I don't subscribe to the GOAT debate but no one can deny that Nadal is the only one who has won 2 tournaments 10 times a record that only he has. Read the title of the thread, carefully:

Nadal has no real rivals in tennis record books

That is the truth.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
He's the overall GOAT because of his records and what he's accomplished in the sport of tennis. And the fact that he has dominated all other surfaces as well as being arguably the second best player on clay the last 10 years?
Borg is the 2nd best player on clay.
 

Hitman's Gurl

Professional
Roger doesn't dominate on all surfaces so why does that make him overall GOAT, if there is such a thing?
Who says that you MUST dominate a surface? Where is it written? All that matters is Rafa's dependency on clay being under his feet is far more than Roger's on grass or hard being under his. If there such a thing as clay GOAT. Then there surely is a GOAT of the sport. Rogers numbers are unrivalled also. 18 slams IS unrivalled. :)

Rafa is awesome too. ;)
 

CivicLx

Hall of Fame
The article is not about being GOAT. First, I don't subscribe to the GOAT debate but no one can deny that Nadal is the only one who has won 2 tournaments 10 times a record that only he has. Read the title of the thread, carefully:

Nadal has no real rivals in tennis record books

That is the truth.
I'll be honest and admit that I didn't read the article. My post was more to mess around a bit since I know you're one of the bigger Nadal fans here:D You and I have never talked but believe me when I say, I'm a biiig Fed fan who has a great deal of respect for Rafa and what he's done. I know Roger's never going to win the same tournament ten times and who knows when or if we'll ever see that again. I don't wanna see Rafa do it again at RG but if he does, what else can you do but admire him for his accomplishments;)
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Nadal's clay court achievements are indeed incomparable, on any given surface.

10 titles at Monte Carlo and Barcelona is insane.

10 titles at Roland Garros would be unsurpassable, possibly ever.

Yet, for all this, he's still not as great as Federer or Laver - nor would he be, even with that other, possibly-yet-to-come Decima.

So be it.

At least grass is not Rafa's best surface.
 
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2HBH-DTL

Guest
Ultimate Tennis Stats(http://tennis-strangeforest.rhcloud.com/record?recordId=Records) has Nadal ranked #3 in all time most ATP records.

1 SUI Roger Federer 160
2 USA Jimmy Connors 134
3 ESP Rafael Nadal 74
4 SRB Novak Djokovic 65
5 USA Andre Agassi 43
5 USA Ivan Lendl 43
7 AUS Ken Rosewall 39
8 SWE Bjorn Borg 34
9 GER Boris Becker 33
10 USA John Mcenroe 30
Judging by those numbers, it basically tells us that Rogi is 2x the GOAT. It's like... GOAT to the Nth power. or GOAT squared. Idk, I'm fvcking terrible with numbers.
 

pame

Hall of Fame
And Federer is severely lacking in clay titles.
Fed's also somewhat lacking in grass master's titles -- no grass slam winning all 3 grass masters in any one year. Ooops! Oh wait, there are three CLAY masters each year to cull that record from, but not a single grass masters so he couldn't even win 1 grass slam comprising one single, solitary grass masters. Oh well, guess he'll just have to be satisfied with his Wimbledon record, such an integral part of winning 5 titles at 3 different slams. Variety, thy name is genius.
 
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pame

Hall of Fame
Ultimate Tennis Stats(http://tennis-strangeforest.rhcloud.com/record?recordId=Records) has Nadal ranked #3 in all time most ATP records held and share.

1 SUI Roger Federer 160
2 USA Jimmy Connors 134
3 ESP Rafael Nadal 74
4 SRB Novak Djokovic 65
5 USA Andre Agassi 43
5 USA Ivan Lendl 43
7 AUS Ken Rosewall 39
8 SWE Bjorn Borg 34
9 GER Boris Becker 33
10 USA John Mcenroe 30
QFT, and great on you to find an unbiased statistical source. As someone said (or should have said): Nothing but the facts ma'am, nothing but the facts :)
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Nole has tons of records too that "STANDALONE," but not compelled to post them all! I have devoted a blog to him though! Check it out! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
For every reporter that praise Nadal there are another two who do the same for Roger but yet .. somehow... only the first type get the attention of Octobrina and clayqueen
Really???
that's what you chose to focus on :rolleyes:

and btw, its not 2 to 1 its more like 15 to 1 of 'journalist'/commentators praising Federer since his resurgence this year vs praising Nadal.

part of that is understandable since Federer won another slam, but some of it is just pure brown-nosing and establishment doctrinaire!
 
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