Nadal has the easiest draw yet again at a grand slam

[MichaelNadal]

Maestronians pressed, sky is blue, what else is new

 

[sbengte]

gtfo...Delpo does not suck on grass, just see wimbledon 2011 and 2013 and olympics 2012

Yeah, let's now quote results from 5 years ago to justify Delpo's grass prowess
Delpo has been an utter and complete mug in all slams but the USO for the past few years.

 

[ak24alive]

I have been tolerating this draw sh*t for long enough now. All these rigged draw fanatics are so so stupid.
Fed and Nad had easy draw until the QFs. Almost similar draws given that Nad had Novak for SF and Fed had Cilic. Cilic beat Novak in Queens recently. Delpo hasn't done anything on grass in a long time now. So hasn't Anderson.
Similar easy draws as they should be for the top seeds.
Where's the problem then?
As usual the haters!
Nad haters angry that no one took Nad out before QFs. Fed haters angry that all big names(who btw have nothing to show for in recent times especially on grass) on Nad's side of draw.
They had similar draws. Both easy.
Fed's route became easy as Cilic went out.
Not Fed's fault. Not Wimbledon's fault.
As it won't be Nad's fault if Novak lost before SF or Delpo lost to Simon.

Grow up people. Why let some stupid hate get the better of you? Try to use the brain we have all been gifted with!!

 

[Meles]

People talk about Federer but Nadal actually has by far the easier draw, he has had shockingly cakewalk draws in the USO2017, FO2018 and now W2018.

Nadal's wimbledon 2018 draw:

Sela
Kukushkin
Minaur
Vesely
Del Potro probably (a player who sucks on grass)
Nishikori or Khachanov (both the easiest draw on grass ever) or Djokovic (only hard opponent he MIGHT play)

Meanwhile Fed has all the huge servers and big hitters like Anderson, Raonic, Isner etc..

Frauderistas would be crapping their drawers at the prospect of Delpo, Djoko, and then Nadal in the final.

 

[sbengte]

Every draw on Roland Garros is easy for Nadal if he's on form. USO 2017 is the easiest draw I've seen by far, but this Wimbledon is not an easy draw for Nadal. Maybe he was just a bit lucky not to have a grass specialist in the early rounds like in previous years.

Lucky ? Really ? List all possible grass specialists, big servers : Cilic, Raonic, Isner, Anderson, Querrey, Kyrgios, Edmund, Coric, Dimitrov, Karlovic, Struff, Monfils.....

When the draw came out, all three quarters had atleast 2-3 of them spread out...How many did Nadal's quarter have ? A big fat zero. You have to be blind to not see what's going on.

 

[sbengte]

I have been tolerating this draw sh*t for long enough now. All these rigged draw fanatics are so so stupid.
Fed and Nad had easy draw until the QFs. Almost similar draws given that Nad had Novak for SF and Fed had Cilic. Cilic beat Novak in Queens recently. Delpo hasn't done anything on grass in a long time now. So hasn't Anderson.
Similar easy draws as they should be for the top seeds.
Where's the problem then?
As usual the haters!
Nad haters angry that no one took Nad out before QFs. Fed haters angry that all big names(who btw have nothing to show for in recent times especially on grass) on Nad's side of draw.
They had similar draws. Both easy.
Fed's route became easy as Cilic went out.
Not Fed's fault. Not Wimbledon's fault.
As it won't be Nad's fault if Novak lost before SF or Delpo lost to Simon.

Grow up people. Why let some stupid hate get the better of you? Try to use the brain we have all been gifted with!!

You should work on your comprehension skills. How the draw plays out is not the question here.. It is to be expected that upsets happen and a draw can open up.
What matters is the original draw and how clearly lopsided/biased/unbalanced they are. See my post above.

 

[Bender]

People talk about Federer but Nadal actually has by far the easier draw, he has had shockingly cakewalk draws in the USO2017, FO2018 and now W2018.

Nadal's wimbledon 2018 draw:

Sela
Kukushkin
Minaur
Vesely
Del Potro probably (a player who sucks on grass)
Nishikori or Khachanov (both the easiest draw on grass ever) or Djokovic (only hard opponent he MIGHT play)

Meanwhile Fed has all the huge servers and big hitters like Anderson, Raonic, Isner etc..

Mate I think you're better off starting threads in the Tips / Instructions board.

You can't complain that Nadal had an easy draw then in the same post say Fed has it hard because he has Anderson in his half.

Plus, Anderson and Isner have achieved even less than Delpo on grass. Supposing you dismiss Delpo as not having done anything on grass in a while, then why are you complaining that Fed has Raonic in his half?

I'm just happy that Nadal and Djokovic are in the same half off clay for once in their careers.

It doesn't happen often, but c'mon with the hyperbole...

 

[sbengte]

Havnt you seen Djok's eyes? He has got that evil focus back on. He is going to spank Nadal yet again.

That is only if Wimbledon doesn't screw him over putting his match as the last one in Court 1 when rain is predicted so he has to play on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

 

[ak24alive]

You should work on your comprehension skills. How the draw plays out is not the question here.. It is to be expected that upsets happen and a draw can open up.
What matters is the original draw and how clearly lopsided/biased/unbalanced they are. See my post above.

That's exactly what I said. It's about the draw on paper. I know Fed had big servers on his side. But Nad had big match players.
It is pretty much the same for me. Pretty average opponents for the first 4 rounds. An okay QF opponent (considering grass) in Delpo and Anderson. A good opponent for the Semi in Novak and Cilic. What's the difference? I think both are similar and easy.
Why are people crying over it?

 

[sbengte]

Fed and Nadal both have a very easy path to the final.

It’s clear that the Wimbledon organisers desperately want Federer vs Nadal IV.

ReMeMbEr WiMbLeDoN 2008? gReAtesT mAtch oF aLl TiMe.

True that Wimby wanted to recreate the Fedal final. These big servers can be a thorn in the flesh especially for Nadal, so where to put them ? Distribute them evenly in the other three quarters and let Nadal practice with Sela and Vaseline.

 

[sbengte]

That's exactly what I said. It's about the draw on paper. I know Fed had big servers on his side. But Nad had big match players.
It is pretty much the same for me. Pretty average opponents for the first 4 rounds. An okay QF opponent considering grass in Delpo and Anderson. A good opponent for the Semi in Novak and Cilic. What's the difference? I think both are similar and easy.
Why are people crying over it?

Who is the big match player in Nadal's quarter ? Vesley or Sela ?

 

[MichaelNadal]

I have been tolerating this draw sh*t for long enough now. All these rigged draw fanatics are so so stupid.
Fed and Nad had easy draw until the QFs. Almost similar draws given that Nad had Novak for SF and Fed had Cilic. Cilic beat Novak in Queens recently. Delpo hasn't done anything on grass in a long time now. So hasn't Anderson.
Similar easy draws as they should be for the top seeds.
Where's the problem then?
As usual the haters!
Nad haters angry that no one took Nad out before QFs. Fed haters angry that all big names(who btw have nothing to show for in recent times especially on grass) on Nad's side of draw.
They had similar draws. Both easy.
Fed's route became easy as Cilic went out.
Not Fed's fault. Not Wimbledon's fault.
As it won't be Nad's fault if Novak lost before SF or Delpo lost to Simon.

Grow up people. Why let some stupid hate get the better of you? Try to use the brain we have all been gifted with!!

Fully slay today!

 

[Justice Underworld]

Nadal's draw has been easy but about to get much harder. The other side of the draw is the cushy side.

 

[Mr Feeny]

Fully slay today!

Seriously Michael. Come on. Grab a thesaurus.

 

[ak24alive]

Who is the big match player in Nadal's quarter ? Vesley or Sela ?

Del Potro. Fed's quarter had no big player.
And you know that. His quarter had 2 big servers who could have poised a threat: Querrey and Anderson.
Also Nad's quarter had Mischa Zverev who won Eastbourne.
Remember we just agreed on talking about the draw on paper?
And all those big servers you talk about, Fed could only meet them in the QF. His half of the quarter had Karlovic and Struff as big servers. So Fed had Querrey or Anderson for the quarter final. Nad had Delpo.
What's the difference?
Fed would have had Cilic/Raonic/Isner/Dimitrov in the Semis. Nad would have had Novak/Krygios/Zverev/Nishikori in the Semis.
Seems pretty similar to me. Where's the big difference in either of their draw on paper?
Compare the draw round by round and it's pretty much the same.

Also who would you take against Fed in a QF? Anderson or Delpo? Delpo in any big match is much more dangerous than Anderson.

 

[merlinpinpin]

I'm not freaking out about it, merely pointing out that the most virulent Fed supports/anti Rafa posters would probably be having an aneurysm if the roles were reversed. Some of them still think Federer got a raw deal lol. In fact I see the draw as potentially a blessing in disguise. Beating quality players like Del Potro and Djokovic might be exactly what Nadal needs to prepare for Federer.

Partly agree with that, but moaning about your fav's draw is a tradition here anyway, and you can be sure both fanbases would be howling at the moon if the draws were reversed. Besides, as you said, I think Nadal himself would probably rather play current Del Potro then current Djokovic than Anderson-Raonic on grass (just like Federer would rather play Anderson-Raonic than DelPo-Djoko; the draw was made this way for a reason, the All England Club want their 10th anniversary rematch).

Your hypothetical is possible but highly unlikely. Del Potro definitely did himself no favors by not closing out Simon. SImon got a set but the odds are definitely in Del Potro's favor to advance. I suspect Rafa should beat him in four sets but it wouldn't earth shattering if Del Potro won.

All the sets were really close in that match, and they could all have gone the other way, so yeah, DelPo still the favourite because he's leading 2-1, but he's not out of the woods yet--by far.

Djokovic looks extremely good right now. Nishikori will get routed. I just don't see how anyone who has watched these matches could conceive of Kei defeating Novak.

Djokovic looks sharp, true. But at USO 2014, everybody knew he would just steamroll Nishikori, and we all saw what happened. Tennis matches have to be played for a reason.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Frauderistas would be crapping their drawers at the prospect of Delpo, Djoko, and then Nadal in the final.

Nadal fans would be crapping their diapers at Anderson/Raonic and then Federer/Djokovic in the final

Big servers precisely the guys that give Nadal fits on the grass.

Djokovic has not proven he's mentally as tough as he used to be and Del Potro just about breaks down worse than crying Cilic last yr whenever he's across net from Nadal.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Seriously Michael. Come on. Grab a thesaurus.

Why when I can be so effective with such few words. EPIC! Learn to like it.

 

[sbengte]

Del Potro. Fed's quarter had no big player.
And you know that. His quarter had 2 big servers who could have poised a threat: Querrey and Anderson.
Also Nad's quarter had Mischa Zverev who won Eastbourne.
Remember we just agreed on talking about the draw on paper?
And all those big servers you talk about, Fed could only meet them in the QF. His half of the quarter had Karlovic and Struff as big servers. So Fed had Querrey or Anderson for the quarter final. Nad had Delpo.
What's the difference?
Fed would have had Cilic/Raonic/Isner/Dimitrov in the Semis. Nad would have had Novak/Krygios/Zverev/Nishikori in the Semis.
Seems pretty similar to me. Where's the big difference in either of their draw on paper?
Compare the draw round by round and it's pretty much the same.

Also who would you take against Fed in a QF? Anderson or Delpo? Delpo in any big match is much more dangerous than Anderson.

I've said this before but repeating : Delpo is a non-factor for grass in the last 5 years. (Pretty much non-factor everywhere but USO).

He isn't even guaranteed to make the QF , I knew he would struggle vs Simon and somehow find a way to destroy himself before the QF. He couldn't finish fricking Simon off yesterday and will play 3 days in a row, so you know the QF will be a dud.

 

[ak24alive]

will play 3 days in a row, so you know the QF will be a dud.

This wasn't on paper was it?
Also Anderson ain't no grass God either.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I'm just happy that Nadal and Djokovic are in the same half off clay for once in their careers.

Although, to be fair, Djokovic was not supposed to be in any kind of form to be a threat for the Nadal.

 

[sbengte]

This wasn't on paper was it?
Also Anderson ain't no grass God either.

Delpo being a dud on grass was on paper.

Agree Anderson is no grass God. But he is last year's slam finalist, big server....kind of consistent.
Also , on paper, Fed had one of Querrey, Anderson, Monfils, Coric....plenty fallback should there even be an upset. Nadal's quarter on the other hand is cakewalk city barring the eyewash that is Delpo.

 

[beast of mallorca]

This wasn't on paper was it?
Also Anderson ain't no grass God either.

Don't mind sbengte. He's just being a dramaqueen, as per usual

 

[ak24alive]

Delpo being a dud on grass was on paper.

Agree Anderson is no grass God. But he is last year's slam finalist, big server....kind of consistent.
Also , on paper, Fed had one of Querrey, Anderson, Monfils, Coric....plenty fallback should there even be an upset. Nadal's quarter on the other hand is cakewalk city barring the eyewash that is Delpo.

And you think that the Nadal draw was rigged?
Coric never went past R64 at Wimby, Monfils never went past R32 before this Wimby. This is the first time Anderson has been in a Wimbledon QF.
All the tough guys were either in Cilic's quarter or Novak's quarter. Fed and Nad have an easy quarter. Hopefully both will have a tough opponent in the Semi.

 

[FiReFTW]

Mate I think you're better off starting threads in the Tips / Instructions board.

You can't complain that Nadal had an easy draw then in the same post say Fed has it hard because he has Anderson in his half.

Plus, Anderson and Isner have achieved even less than Delpo on grass. Supposing you dismiss Delpo as not having done anything on grass in a while, then why are you complaining that Fed has Raonic in his half?

It doesn't happen often, but c'mon with the hyperbole...

What Del Potro? He hasn't even won yet, and if he does he will have basically no rest.

 

[sbengte]

And you think that the Nadal draw was rigged?
Coric never went past R64 at Wimby, Monfils never went past R32 before this Wimby. This is the first time Anderson has been in a Wimbledon QF.
All the tough guys were either in Cilic's quarter or Novak's quarter. Fed and Nad have an easy quarter. Hopefully both will have a tough opponent in the Semi.

Coric won the grass warmup at Halle. Anderson is a HC slam RU from late last year. Granted Monfils is not consistent and no guarantees with him.

Remember we are talking about the draw on paper ? It is now easy to say things in hindsight, but there were clearly multiple threats in Fed's , Cilic's and Djoko's quarters. While Nadal's quarter had Delpo.

 

[ak24alive]

Coric won the grass warmup at Halle. Anderson is a HC slam RU from late last year. Granted Monfils is not consistent and no guarantees with him.

Remember we are talking about the draw on paper ? It is now easy to say things in hindsight, but there were clearly multiple threats in Fed's, Cilic's and Djoko's quarters. While Nadal's quarter had Delpo.

Delpo beat Fed in IW and was a Semifinalist in Miami and FO. He won Acapulco too. While Anderson won nothing of note the whole year. He won the Newyork Open lol. Delpo is number 4 while Anderson is number 7. Delpo is obviously leading Anderson in the Race to London. Last year when Nad beat Anderson he was a mug and now he is this mighty foe, huh? Lol.

And if we are going by recent results Mischa Z won Eastbourne and gave Fed a difficult match in Stuttgart where Fed wasn't gassed like in Halle where Coric beat him. So Mischa and Delpo are multiple threats if Coric and Anderson are. Also going by these recent results Cecchinato was in Nadal's draw. As I remember he was a Semifinalist at the FO.

All this is just stupid talk you know. You refuse to accept that both have similar and easy draws and honestly man I don't have time for this. Arguing over something so stupid is boring and makes me wanna puke.
Au Revoir

 

[Djorau]

Also going by these recent results Cecchinato was in Nadal's draw

Now you even bring up Cecchinato in a grass tourney

 

[ak24alive]

Now you even bring up Cecchinato in a grass tourney

Did you read what I said just after that line you quoted?
I said it's stupid. I was just reciprocating stupidly to a stupid post.

 

[Djorau]

Did you read what I said just after that line you quoted?
I said it's stupid. I was just reciprocating stupidly to a stupid post.

Ok

 

[sbengte]

Delpo beat Fed in IW and was a Semifinalist in Miami and FO. He won Acapulco too. While Anderson won nothing of note the whole year. He won the Newyork Open lol. Delpo is number 4 while Anderson is number 7. Delpo is obviously leading Anderson in the Race to London. Last year when Nad beat Anderson he was a mug and now he is this mighty foe, huh? Lol.

And if we are going by recent results Mischa Z won Eastbourne and gave Fed a difficult match in Stuttgart where Fed wasn't gassed like in Halle where Coric beat him. So Mischa and Delpo are multiple threats if Coric and Anderson are. Also going by these recent results Cecchinato was in Nadal's draw. As I remember he was a Semifinalist at the FO.

All this is just stupid talk you know. You refuse to accept that both have similar and easy draws and honestly man I don't have time for this. Arguing over something so stupid is boring and makes me wanna puke.
Au Revoir

Someone like Anderson in a first time slam final obviously will crap his shorts. The same Anderson in a QF, whether it is against Fed or Nadal may still not win, but will play them tough.'

OK, Mischa Z cancels out Coric - ...though I don't know what stalwarts Zverev beat to win Eastbourne (apparently one player within top 40, #26 to be precise) , whereas Coric beat the #1, #3 and #16, but whatever. And we are bringing up clay court results to this conversation because I brought up fast HC results that is comparable to grass where big servers are concerned ?

They did not have similar and easy draws on paper. If Nadal were to have Fed's draw, VB would have gone to town whining and crying about it.

 

[ak24alive]

Someone like Anderson in a first time slam final obviously will crap his shorts. The same Anderson in a QF, whether it is against Fed or Nadal may still not win, but will play them tough.'

OK, Mischa Z cancels out Coric - ...though I don't know what stalwarts Zverev beat to win Eastbourne (apparently one player within top 40, #26 to be precise) , whereas Coric beat the #1, #3 and #16, but whatever. And we are bringing up clay court results to this conversation because I brought up fast HC results that is comparable to grass where big servers are concerned ?

They did not have similar and easy draws on paper. If Nadal were to have Fed's draw, VB would have gone to town whining and crying about it.

Don't go to town whining and crying about it my friend. Don't be like VB if you don't like them. Be better. That's the bigger point.

 

[sbengte]

Don't go to town whining and crying about it my friend. Don't be like VB if you don't like them. Be better. That's the bigger point.

So if there is something consistently fishy about how draws are made and the organizers are really insulting you intelligence, you are not supposed to talk about it/call it out but nod and say it is all a matter of luck and chance ?

 

[ak24alive]

So if there is something consistently fishy about how draws are made and the organizers are really insulting you intelligence, you are not supposed to talk about it/call it out but nod and say it is all a matter of luck and chance ?

You really believe that the draw is rigged?

 

[Djokovic2011]

Come on man, Nadal had a favourable draw at US Open but no way does he have an easy draw this time. Its normal for it to be fairly routine for the top guys up until the quarters as it has been for both Fed and Nadal so far. However from this point in, if results go as expected, Nadal will have to go through delpo, Djokovic and Federer to win it. This is much harder than Federer's route.

If Nadal wins the tournament by beating those guys it'll be a great achievement worthy of praise, especially after all his issues at Wimbledon in recent years. You'd simply have to say "too good" and move on, no sense in anyone complaining about weak draws.

 

[sbengte]

You really believe that the draw is rigged?

You tell me.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/who-gets-the-easiest-draws.422886/
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...get-the-easiest-draws-time-after-time.481647/
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/nadal-gets-the-easiest-draws-of-all-time.598870/
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/nadals-draw.426830/
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...fix-nadals-questionable-cakewalk-draw.608026/

What originally got people talking about draw rigging :

Why does Djokovic always draw Federer
Serbian Newspaper: ITF is fixing draws against Djokovic ?]

 

[ForumMember]

I had a look at 2006 AO draw for Fraud. Istomin, Mayer, Mirnyi, Haas, davydenko, kiefer , Baghdatis. Just as I thought beating up mugs in a weak era. Least Nadal had to play Del potto at us open 2017. Fraudtards haha

Remember following boundary condition :

Weakest Draw of Strong Era >>>>> Strongest Draw of Weak Era

You don't compare draw of this era from draws of era of 2003-2007. It's just distance in light years don't compared with distance in kilo meters.

 

[Meles]

Nadal fans would be crapping their diapers at Anderson/Raonic and then Federer/Djokovic in the final

Big servers precisely the guys that give Nadal fits on the grass.

Djokovic has not proven he's mentally as tough as he used to be and Del Potro just about breaks down worse than crying Cilic last yr whenever he's across net from Nadal.

So you're saying the draw was rigged for both.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

So you're saying the draw was rigged for both.

Not sure I'd say rigged. Definitely sure I'd say very manageable. Definitely a cakewalk for both until now

 

[robert.s]

lol OK... everyone has their own perspective I guess.

You think Nadal played a top player on grass yet?

 

[Fridge]

Yeah, let's now quote results from 5 years ago to justify Delpo's grass prowess
Delpo has been an utter and complete mug in all slams but the USO for the past few years.

I don't know if you are actually dumb or just playing... but delpo is a proven player on grass and his results show it. Yeah he isn't making wimbledon finals semis or finals every year but he can show up on the surface

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I wouldn't say that exactly. I think grass poses a movement problem for him. If you can get him moving, you can exploit it. The point though is he very much underperformed in the final at USO17. Serve was horrendous and UE were bad on bs balls. The moment clearly neutralized what was flowing the matches before and his natural advantages. I don't think you will see that here, not for an entire 3 sets and it's a more dangerous surface.

You might be right - I still think Fed is 20 levels better than Anderson and could beat him from his hammock. Should be some good quarter finals to watch though.