AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
The more you whine and snivel about this, the tinier your sac becomes.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Nadal having MRI scan, worried for quarters.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
No one is gonna change anyone's mind about the MTO. It's useless, endless circles. Rafa is in the next round, like it or not.
Sharpshooter
Banned
He strapped his leg becasue he knew he was in bad form after losing to old fart version Hewitt. He knew he would need some sort of excuse so he did that. It payed off because after getting blasted off the court by Berdych he had that excuse to make. Oh and also the luck excuse as well.
stronzzi70
Professional
Defcon..your 1000 % right...
Nadal is a drama queen!!!!
Nadal is a drama queen!!!!
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
That wasn't related to my post at all, but ok...:roll:
It's not a 'like it or not' situation BTW. What I don't like is that you Nadal fans are so up his arse that you can't even see why people get upset by this stuff or that Rafa has an ongoing history of this stuff that stretches back years.
Yeah Nadal's a great player, no one is denying that, but the fact that he does these things and has a history of it is why people are cynical even when it is possibly a legit injury. It's the boy who cried wolf all over again. How are you guys so blind to that and act like Rafa is Mr. Perfect Sportsmanship?
This is a thread about Nadal's injurie(s) and Butt has to bring Fed, the guy who has 0 retirements, in to make what point exactly? That Bud is a fool? Yeah, but we all knew that years ago.
bms2011
Banned
His groin was why he lost the 11 FO to Nadal
Federer never makes excuses for his losses
Mono, back, groin, toenails, etc.
He said that he had a groin pain. He did not say it was an injury, he said he needed rest. I have a good friend that had mono and it is a very serious thing. He was not at school for almost 2 and a half weeks came back for a week and then was out for 4 more days. Mono is something that obviously you don't understand. My friend couldn't do any sports for almost a month. I'm surprised that Roger could even play. His back, was also just a nagging problem. Not once, except for the legitimate excuse of mono, did he blame a loss on a serious injury. And I don't know where you got toenails from. That was Djokovic.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Personally, yeah I will admit I'm wrong if he pulls out of his quarter final match. Not if he starts play and is getting well beaten and retires though.
But, if he plays the quarter final, will all Nadal fans not mention he's injured, and it's effecting his play? Will they admit nadal was over reacting? especially if he proceeds to go on and win. Or will some proclaim him as so great because he had such a serious injury and still won?
It's pretty simple to solve.
Nadal has had an injured left foot since 2005 (I bet you not many Nadal fans actually knew that). What he had was a fracture on his left foot (I think it was on the bottom side of the foot if I remember correctly) from the reports I read way back in like 2007 or something like that. He had to have special soles installed into his shoes in order to get more support and prevent the pain from occurring so often.
If Nadal had reinjured that foot (which he thought he did) there is no way he continues playing the match at the level he did. Period. Impossible. No chance. You don't play on a fractured foot and continue to keep playing at the level he did. Nadal will not be pulling out of the QF against Fish; he is perfectly fine and healthy.
Basically he had a phantom injury that didn't require a MTO. You can basically say that "oh I feel like I reinjured my foot that has had a long history of injury" and the trainer will right then and there will decide to start treatment anyways as a precaution. Whether or not Nadal thought he was injured or not, I don't know. But what I do know is that there is no serious injury.
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AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
Towser. Seriously, dude, will you lay off? You're gonna get known around the forum. People are gonna roll their eyes when they see your posts and groan, "Oh crap, it's that Towser the Micro-sac guy again."
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nikdom
Guest
All day I've said to anyone who would care to listen that
1) There are grounds to be skeptical without being a 'hater'
2) I'm not convinced Nadal is definitely guilty. Let's wait till he plays the next match or comes out with more information about the MRI.
In fact, that last line is the exact reason I gave to another poster to say we would look really foolish if he indeed retired. The thread got deleted but there may be some posts yet preserved in other places where I said the same thing.
You're welcome to form whatever opinion of me you'd like. My own impression of you is not very glowing either. So I guess that makes it even.
I'm mature enough to look past assumed personalities and deal with what's being said. If you can, that's good, otherwise pls carry on. Sorry for bothering you.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
If that was the case, he'd have worn the strapping for the whole tournament. By the way, Hewitt is not even that much older than Federer.
Face facts, Nadal takes MTOs like they're going out of fashion, and every tournament he's apparently injured from start to finish, just to be on the safe side. It's easy to pick a few examples of Federer, with Nadal, it's week in, week out. Dunno why he needs this when he wins a hell of a lot anyway and has achieved so much.
AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
Oh crap, it's that Towser the Micro-sac guy again. 
Sharpshooter
Banned
Look man, from my side of things. I came on here expecting to talk about what a great match both played and how Delpo is really close to taking the US Open back (I hope he does since he didn't get the chance to defend it last year). I come on here and all these **** cockroaches are here taking away Nadal's credit instead of talking about the incredible match. The hate on here is ridiculous. Just look at these biscuit and towser guys. I use their own medicine on them and they are getting their panties in a bundle.
They like to attack Rafa and hate it when someone attacks Fed.
Then there's the NamRanger genius who already knows what Nadal's injury is even before the MRI scan results are released.
Why can't you give Nadal credit for fighting through the injury? He called for the trainer right after he hunched down, not at 6 all. So let's just say hypothetically, if Nadal did end up breaking Delpo and taking the set, he would've had a one set lead and then got the treatment. Would that be considered as putting Delpo off as well?
nah, nothing really surprising about this place anymore. You either ignore them or make fun of them. Those are the only 2 options.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Why do you have to make this about Federer fans hating on Rafa? Could it be that there may be some objective fans around? I know it is a horrendous thought to the fans who are too blind to see what is right in front of them and have the logic skills of hamsters.
Don't generalize about every single Federer fan and say they want Rafa to lose. There are some "normal" fans around (not many I have to admit :twisted:.)
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
You're the one who brought up sacs and won't stop talking about them. This is a tennis forum not a testicle fetish club. Please stop or you'll get a reputation as someone who's obsessed with male genitalia.
Also sexist of you to assume I'm a dude. I may not even have a sac.
Sharpshooter
Banned
Nikdom is not objective. I posted in the Fed v Nalby match thread, didn't mention Rafa at all, just made a comment on the match and he started attacking me for no reason about Rafa. When I didn't even mention him. LOL.
Is it really that hard to guess what it could have possibly been?
Nadal said he heard a crunch. It was in his left foot. The trainer strapped up his left foot where a foot fracture would occur, and applied anesthetics there and gave him pain killers. Nadal has had a history of a foot injury that both he and Toni stated before that was a career threatening injury. Nadal and the trainer were specifically talking about a very specific and uncommon injury that might have occurred. It really isn't all that hard to put 2 and 2 together.
I bet you didn't even know that Nadal had special shoes designed for him because of his persistent foot injury that has caused him pain since 2005. And you call yourself a Nadal fan LOL.
Nadal has no injury. He will be 100% healthy and will be playing against Mardy Fish, I guarantee it.
AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
I'm beginning to feel certain that you don't.
Sharpshooter
Banned
Of course I know that. But just because he has a foot injury it doesn't mean it's related to that. He heard a crunch, does that automatically mean it's a fracture? If it was, the pain wouldn't just go away for 3 hours, if anything he would've made it worse. So he fought through a foot fracture to beat Delpo. See how stupid that sounds?
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
The point is the match was very very close when the trainer was called and Del Po seemed to be getting into a good flow.
Again, I have no doubt Rafa felt something in his foot, but, I do have doubts about the gravity of the injury. If Rafa has to retire from the tournament because of this injury then of course I would say I was wrong. If he does not need to retire, I will have doubts and NOT because I don't like Rafa. Far from it. Hey if Rafa does use any MTO's as gamesmanship and his opponents sink like stones because of it, all the more power to Rafa for all of these weak imbeciles out there he has to play against.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Yeah but it's always the same story, Nadal fights back through injury, what a warrior! It's like he has to be this injured guy bravely battling on all the time.
I'm not saying he never gets injured but it's all you hear about. For the record, I don't think he faked it at all. I don't think he tried to put Del Potro off - you could see him pull up. But the fact that he did win the match makes me believe he was ok to play and will carry on playing Wimbledon and is not anywhere near pulling out of the tournament. i think he's being melodramatic about it before even getting the results of the scan back. So I give him the benifit of the doubt in one respect but not in another. Sorry if 100% biased support is what you're after.
Sorry but I used to be a fan of Nadal's and now I just don't care anymore. I don't root for him to lose unless he's playing someone i really like, but I don't root for him to win either.
Also I don't even really root for Federer anymore, much more on the side of Djokovic and Del Potro, so this isn't a bitter federer fan thing. You say you're giving a taste of our own medicine - exactly, you're just trying to play tit for tat rather than actually come up with a real argument. I've already said I didn't like Federer bringing up excuses. But he was injured and the real question is whether it really effected him and should he have said anything. In this case with Nadal i'm also saying he WAS injured. But not as much as is being made out. That's perfectly fair in both cases, i'm raising points for and against both players.
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You didn't know that he had a foot injury since 2005, give me a break. I bet you most people here on this forum don't know except a few guys like Muster and Namelessone.
Do you know what a crunch means? It means bone is snapping or cracking. That means foot fracture you dummy.
However, I know that is impossible because there's no way Nadal played through a ****ing foot fracture and beat Del Potro. He's just making up crap now to make himself look better after he CLEARLY was utilizing gamesmanship.
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nikdom
Guest
And you are objective?
You were in the Fed-Nalby match thread saying how Fed was lucky he was getting away with a bad BH because Nalby's FH wasn't working.
Was that an objective assessment or was that your inner Nadal **** trying to discredit what Roger was doing?
If you were not doing that out of ****ism yesterday, I'm not saying what I'm saying now out of ****ism either. Why two different standards for yourself and others?
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fednad
Hall of Fame
Sorry to break on you dear NAM....
But this guy (and most other NadsyPants fans) have their heads up Rafa's (you know where). So, they are unable to notice his foot injury.
If he develops piles some day, they will be the first one to announce it.
Yeah, a foot injury that both he and Uncle Toni stated that was career threatening, and that was so severe that they had to have specially designed soles and shoes for Nadal to reduce the stress on his foot.
The point of the matter is that Nadal probably felt something, but it wasn't that severe. However, he called for the trainer because he knew that either way he would have momentum going his way. Either Nadal would win the set and he could make Del Potro think about the first set loss, or he makes Del Potro think about what to do in the tiebreak.
fednad
Hall of Fame
Correct - Whata warrior!
But what good is a warrior when there was no battle actually.
To make it simple for you - what is he fighting against when actually hrere is no injury.
Is the trend not simple to see. He pulls an injury drams, then he sits down and whines. Once on court, he starts running around like a rabbit for next 2-3 hours from the very first point after MTO.
He is a poser. He and his uncle phony use this as a tactic to disrupt match rhythm midway.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
I'll let you in on a secret. I'm a guy, but your sac obsession is so scary I might have mine removed so I can be sure I won't wake up in the middle of the night to find you staring at them :shock:
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TennisandMusic
Guest
You really don't think most fans know that, or that's why he wears shoe sizes that were much smaller than his actual size etc.? You really have some serious nerve to tell people they DON'T know something when they expressly state that they did. Why are you so angry?
Did you know Buster Keaton once broke his neck in a stunt and didn't know it for like 2 years?
And why would someone use gamesmanship after getting SET POINT, and not seeing the trainer until the GAME WAS OVER. Use your head. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. None. So Nadal's plan was to get set point. Fake an injury. Purposefully play 3 very bad points and lose the game so that he could take an injury time out. In hopes that he could psych out Del Potro, after going down 0 points to 3. You sir, are brilliant.
Sharpshooter
Banned
Hey, I've been watching tennis for 30 years. I have followed Rafa ever since he gave Hewitt a scare in the 04 Aus Open. I knew about his injury because that was the reason he pulled out of 06AO.
As for Nadal saying crunch, I didn't hear that but even if he did say that he doesn't really know English that well to explain exactly what it is.
In his presser he said he felt something crushed on the back of his foot on the outside. He then said that when he got strapped up, the support took away some of the pain.
AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
No need. Your sac has already shriveled away to nothing during the course of this thread. Yes, that's right. Pat between your legs all you want; it's gone. There's just a tiny pair of raisins there where the proud font of your man-juice once was.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
I think he did tweak his foot. I'm not going to say everything is a big lie. But it was clear that he could play with it, because he played pretty well and carried on for 3 sets more. So i don't believe he has anything that will force him to withdraw. That is all I'm saying and I think it's totally reasonable! In my opinion, he should just wait til the ruslts and he has made a decision regarding whther to play his next match rather than create drama by hinting he might pull out. If it's that bad then tell everyone when you have decided you will pull out. But I feel he will play.
Sharpshooter
Banned
Top post!
They say he broke Delpo's rhythm yet completely ignore the fact that Delpo was ahead 3-0 in the TB and that Rafa had the set point when he called for the trainer. It's ridiculous how they think he purposely lost hte next 3 points to let Delpo hold so that he could call a trainer and break Delpo's rhythm only to lose the first 3 points of the TB.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
You need mental help regarding your obsession with Nads. Is your favourite player NADal? cos that would all make sense... all about nads for you. Go Nads! = Gonads
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decades
Guest
rafa will play the next round but it will be with crutches.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Nothing to worry about guys, he'll be biting the trophy on Sunday, after throwing everyone off with a couple MTO's per match, and retaining his #1. And finally sealing the year off with a win at the USO.
(corrected that for you
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rafa will WIN the next round but it will be with crutches.
(corrected that for you
)He doesn't have anymore pressure now b/c there's a good reason if he ever loses.
FedExpress 333
Professional
I say BS. Nadal is such a horrible sportsman, this si just plain absurd! He did not battle through an injury against Delpo, (a very conveniently timed injury, mind you), and win!!!!
Anyone saw that match from beginning to end, there's nothing, nothing wrong with his movement. The players today aren't going to buy it. They will just ignore his MTO even though their rhythm/flow is affected.
blue steel
Rookie
i imagine when he went to the doctor it must have gone something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsx__3rXDo8
Why are you people surprised that Nadal's honesty and motives are being questioned?
The guy always gets injured when he's being overpowered, he always has an injury excuse ready in big tournaments and when he loses big matches, he knowingly violates the time rule in multiple ways in every match.
Even if every single injury was known to be 100% real (which is far from the case) this pattern of behavior is going to be suspicious to anyone. He deserves all the criticism.
The guy always gets injured when he's being overpowered, he always has an injury excuse ready in big tournaments and when he loses big matches, he knowingly violates the time rule in multiple ways in every match.
Even if every single injury was known to be 100% real (which is far from the case) this pattern of behavior is going to be suspicious to anyone. He deserves all the criticism.
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nikdom
Guest
LOL... forgot this episode of Seinfeld. Thanks for posting this.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
He did tweak something, but it's been blown up to epic proprtions.
This is an example of what annoys me about Nadal
"I need be at my hundred percent. If not, gonna be impossible against him. So I have to recover."
This basically means he has an excuse if he loses to Mardy Fish which won't happen anyway. It's always like it's IMPOSSIBLE to win unless he's at 100%, which is rubbish as players often win being below 100%. I mean he just beat Del Potro with a possibly title ending injury, no?
But Nadal always puts it as if he loses, it's no failing on his part as it was totally IMPOSSIBLE to do. Like he was asked to make gold out of lead.
I don't get it. He's 25 with a whopping 10 slams, has won 19(?) masters, has all 4 slams and is still winning them, he's already one of the all time great (whatever Nadal haters may say he will be one of the legends, maybe the best of all time if he can get 16 or 17 slams) he should be able to give up some defeats and feel ok with being outplayed sometimes. It's not going to hurt his legend. He used to be a humble guy who admitted his shortcomings, but since overthrowing Federer he's gotten more sensitive to appearing beatable sometimes. It's like there has to be some extenuating circumstances surrounding each defeat, when he's good enough that it's not needed.
Look maybe he does get injured all the time, but if I was him I would be getting embarassed and downplaying it. He said himself he didn't want to be seen as a player always using injuries as an excuse. So Why not wait until tuesday and the scan is done and the situation is known? But he straight away starts talking about the possibility of him having to retire - going with the worse case scenario before the facts are in. Man, keep it under your hat until you know, he's not doing his reputation any good. I know Nadal fans get angry about this but he makes it worse, he really does.
Ive been a big Djokovic fan and even I used to get annoyed with his retirements. Not cos I thought he was faking but he seemed to give up too easily and was making a bad reputation for himself. The same with some of Federer's candid comments. I don't know why Nadal fans can't get why people are getting tired of this and why he can't downplay things a bit more. Aren't there any Nadal fans who get embarrassed by this?
This is an example of what annoys me about Nadal
"I need be at my hundred percent. If not, gonna be impossible against him. So I have to recover."
This basically means he has an excuse if he loses to Mardy Fish which won't happen anyway. It's always like it's IMPOSSIBLE to win unless he's at 100%, which is rubbish as players often win being below 100%. I mean he just beat Del Potro with a possibly title ending injury, no?
But Nadal always puts it as if he loses, it's no failing on his part as it was totally IMPOSSIBLE to do. Like he was asked to make gold out of lead.
I don't get it. He's 25 with a whopping 10 slams, has won 19(?) masters, has all 4 slams and is still winning them, he's already one of the all time great (whatever Nadal haters may say he will be one of the legends, maybe the best of all time if he can get 16 or 17 slams) he should be able to give up some defeats and feel ok with being outplayed sometimes. It's not going to hurt his legend. He used to be a humble guy who admitted his shortcomings, but since overthrowing Federer he's gotten more sensitive to appearing beatable sometimes. It's like there has to be some extenuating circumstances surrounding each defeat, when he's good enough that it's not needed.
Look maybe he does get injured all the time, but if I was him I would be getting embarassed and downplaying it. He said himself he didn't want to be seen as a player always using injuries as an excuse. So Why not wait until tuesday and the scan is done and the situation is known? But he straight away starts talking about the possibility of him having to retire - going with the worse case scenario before the facts are in. Man, keep it under your hat until you know, he's not doing his reputation any good. I know Nadal fans get angry about this but he makes it worse, he really does.
Ive been a big Djokovic fan and even I used to get annoyed with his retirements. Not cos I thought he was faking but he seemed to give up too easily and was making a bad reputation for himself. The same with some of Federer's candid comments. I don't know why Nadal fans can't get why people are getting tired of this and why he can't downplay things a bit more. Aren't there any Nadal fans who get embarrassed by this?
FedExpress 333
Professional
Quoted for truth. Well said, nothing to add.
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nikdom
Guest
Very good post. It seems Nadal fans are not very rational around their hero. Perhaps it has to do with what his attraction to these folks is in the first place - the macho, never-die image.
Anything that disturbs that image obviously shakes the foundations of the fanhood they've invested so much in. So it doesn't go down well.
I'm not saying this cannot or does not happen to Roger fans. A lot of folks defend his crazy talk comments about other players at times, saying he's entitled to it. I think it just shows you cannot believe that humble/gentleman hype all the time. But it does seem to be a more common occurrence with Nadal fans. Perhaps their age group also skews more younger.
