Nadal highest peak on a single surface, Djokovic highest peak across different surfaces

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Lew II

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Most consecutive Slams won by beating Big3:

1) Djokovic 3 (WI11-AO12)
/ Djokovic 3 (WI15-AO16)

At the same tournament:

1) Nadal 4 (RG05-08)
/ Nadal 4 (RG11-14)

Djokovic highest peak across different surfaces, Nadal highest peak on a single surface.

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Maybe Borg peaked higher than Nadal on clay.

Maybe Federer or Sampras peaked higher than Djokovic across different surfaces.

We'll never know who had the highest peak.
 
StrongRule said:
Winning a slam by beating a big 3 player isn't related to peak level. Another cherry picked stat. Djokovic doesn't have a higher peak than Federer in Wimbledon or USO, doesn't matter if he can beat a 34 years old Federer in these tournaments.
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Beating Baghdatis/Anderson is?
 
Nadal highest peak on USO HC (USO 2010) and RG (RG 2008 F)

Sampras highest peak on Grass (W 99 F)

Djokovic highest peak at AO (2016 SF)
 
Djokovic definitely doesn't have the highest peak across surfaces. His Wimbledon victories against Federer are only impressive if you ignore the context that Federer was old and out of his grass prime in all of them (and also fortunate enough to catch Nadal as he was exiting his grass prime, and would immediately start losing on that surface to nobodies). You could argue that Prime Andy Murray had a higher peak level on Grass than Djokovic, and I don't consider Murray to have one of the top 4 highest peaks on Grass in the Open era. Djokovic's Wimbledon record is a product of timing and lack of prime grass competition.

Honestly, you could maybe argue Djokovic has the highest peak on hardcourts, but even that is very debatable. He's always been very beatable at the US Open in his prime (which seems strange to me if you are supposed to have the peak level hardcourt game). I guess Djokovic probably has the highest peak level of play at the Australian Open, but that's about all I'm ready to concede. He's one of the most consistent across all surfaces, but you can easily make arguments for other players having higher peaks everywhere, even on his favored surface of hardcourt.
 
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Lew II said:
Slams won by beating Big3 is one of them.
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So beating Grandfather Federer to win most of your Wimbledon titles is evidence of peak level performance on a surface? LOL!

It really doesn't work like that. The likes of Becker, Borg and as I said, even arguably Andy Murray had higher peak levels on grass than Djokovic. Doesn't take away from Djoker's Wimbledon success, but he lost to his only Prime Grass Opponent in a Wimbledon final (Murray).
 
Yugram said:
Nadal highest peak on a single surface, AND across different surfaces.
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Yup, Nadal higher peak level than Novak both at RG and the USO, and therefore overall since his peak level at RG outclasses Novak's peak level at the AO.

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octogon said:
So beating Grandfather Federer to win most of your Wimbledon titles is evidence of peak level performance on a surface? LOL!

It really doesn't work like that. The likes of Becker, Borg and as I said, even arguably Andy Murray had higher peak levels on grass than Djokovic. Doesn't take away from Djoker's Wimbledon success, but he lost to his only Prime Grass Opponent in a Wimbledon final (Murray).
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Nailed it Sir
 
octogon said:
So beating Grandfather Federer to win most of your Wimbledon titles is evidence of peak level performance on a surface? LOL!

It really doesn't work like that. The likes of Becker, Borg and as I said, even arguably Andy Murray had higher peak levels on grass than Djokovic. Doesn't take away from Djoker's Wimbledon success, but he lost to his only Prime Grass Opponent in a Wimbledon final (Murray).
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In the 2015 summer Fed was schooling the tour and saying he was playing his best tennis ever.
 
Lew II said:
In the 2015 summer Fed was schooling the tour and saying he was playing his best tennis ever.
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When he played Djokovic in the 2015 slam matches despite saling past the draws he played at prime Roddick/Hewitt/Murray level and could not push a 5 setter.
 
RS said:
When he played Djokovic in the 2015 slam matches despite saling past the draws he played at prime Roddick/Hewitt/Murray level and could not push a 5 setter.
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LOL Federer at Roddick/Hewitt level.

Outside those Slam finals he won 44 sets in a row in that period, beating among others Djokovic, Murray x2 and Wawrinka.

Typical Roddick/Hewitt stuff.
 
Lew II said:
LOL.

Federer at Roddick/Hewitt level.
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Roddick put up better fight in Wim 04 and 09 than Federer did in 14/15 at Wim or at least the same. With Fed being 33-34 it is certainly possible at that age.

Hewitt was a bit easier but Federer was more ruthless than Djoko was.
 
RS said:
Roddick put up better fight in Wim 04 and 09 than Federer did in 14/15 or at least the same.

Hewitt was a bit easier but Federer was more ruthless than Djoko was.
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See edit.

And how much you struggle has nothing to do with competition, it could just mean you're not good enough to dominate.
 
"I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

Self proclaimed peak Federer is a weak opponent (y)
 
Lew II said:
"I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

Self proclaimed peak Federer is a weak opponent (y)
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Do you think 2015 Federer at Wimbeldon and USO beats anybody in open era bar peak Djokovic?
 
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Clay:
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Lendl

Grass:
1. Federer, Sampras
2. Borg

Hard Court:
1. Federer
2. Djokovic, Sampras,
3. Agassi

Indoor:
1. McEnroe
2. Gonzalez
3. Laver, Rosewall



On the women's side

Clay:
1. Chris Evert
2. Steffi Graf
3. Justine Henin

Grass:
1. Navratilova
2. Steffi Graf
3. Billie Jean King

Hard Court:
1. Steffi Graf
2. Serena Williams
3. Navratilova

Indoors:
1. Navratilova
2. Chris Evert
3. Steffi Graf
 
TMF said:
Clay:
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Lendl

Grass:
1. Federer, Sampras
2. Borg

Hard Court:
1. Federer
2. Djokovic, Sampras,
3. Agassi

Indoor:
1. McEnroe
2. Gonzalez
3. Laver, Rosewall



On the women's side

Clay:
1. Chris Evert
2. Steffi Graf
3. Justine Henin

Grass:
1. Navratilova
2. Steffi Graf
3. Billie Jean King

Hard Court:
1. Steffi Graf
2. Serena Williams
3. Navratilova

Indoors:
1. Navratilova
2. Chris Evert
3. Steffi Graf
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Clay: one could even argue Borg > Nadal depending on how we define peak level. At least the FO win with the fewest lost games still belongs to Borg.
Grass: I somehow concur here, however, not sure whether peak for peak Mac isn’t even better than Borg and I say this as a Borg fan.
HC: Think we need to further distinguish between AO and USO.
Indoors: This is Sampras for me. He has a lot of odd losses against inferior opposition in DC or WTF RR matches but at the absolute best he was as close to unbeatable I ever saw anyone (96,99 WTF final).
 
octogon said:
Honestly, you could maybe argue Djokovic has the highest peak on hardcourts, but even that is very debatable.
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Many would make the argument that any player who won the USO only three times can't be GOAT of hardcourts. The AO still doesn't have the aura or prestige of the USO despite it being a tremendous venue nowadays. Sampras and Fed have a higher peak on HC's. Fed's won 71 HC tournaments. That shows sustained dominance on the surface.
 
Lew II said:
LOL Federer at Roddick/Hewitt level.

Outside those Slam finals he won 44 sets in a row in that period, beating among others Djokovic, Murray x2 and Wawrinka.

Typical Roddick/Hewitt stuff.
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Roddick 2003 summer:

Won Queen's
Lost Wimbledon SF to Federer
Won Indianapolis
Lost Washington SF to Henman
Won Canada Open
Won Cincinnati
Won USO

Yeah 2015 Federer who won 2 events to Roddick's 5 was way better than this trash
 
Towny said:
Roddick 2003 summer:

Won Queen's
Lost Wimbledon SF to Federer
Won Indianapolis
Lost Washington SF to Henman
Won Canada Open
Won Cincinnati
Won USO

Yeah 2015 Federer who won 2 events to Roddick's 5 was way better than this trash
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Top10s beaten by 2003 Roddick and 2015 Federer?
 
Lew II said:
Top10s beaten by 2003 Roddick and 2015 Federer?
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Your whole argument for Federer being peak in 2015 is based on his summer. Surely you don't think he was at his peak losing to Seppi at the Australian Open or Monfils and Kyrgios in the clay masters? Looking specifically at their summers then:

Top 10s beaten by Federer in Summer 2015:
Murray - Wimbledon
Murray - Cincinnati
Djokovic - Cincinnati
Wawrinka - US Open

Top 10s beaten by Roddick in Summer 2003
Agassi - Queen's club
Grosjean - Canada Open
Federer - Canada Open
Ferrero - US Open

Same number of victories against Top 10s, except Roddick far more successful in tournament wins
 
Towny said:
Your whole argument for Federer being peak in 2015 is based on his summer. Surely you don't think he was at his peak losing to Seppi at the Australian Open or Monfils and Kyrgios in the clay masters? Looking specifically at their summers then:

Top 10s beaten by Federer in Summer 2015:
Murray - Wimbledon
Murray - Cincinnati
Djokovic - Cincinnati
Wawrinka - US Open

Top 10s beaten by Roddick in Summer 2003
Agassi - Queen's club
Grosjean - Canada Open
Federer - Canada Open
Ferrero - US Open

Same number of victories against Top 10s, except Roddick far more successful in tournament wins
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Ok, Roddick typically dominated tennis like Federer did
 
Nope. This only accounts for the Big 3 generation, and for that generation is obviously true.
 
No. Nadal's peaks on hard and grass are equivalent if not better than Djokovic. Federer was a much harder opponent for Nadal than Nadal or old Federer was to Djokovic.
 
TMF said:
Clay:
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Lendl

Grass:
1. Federer, Sampras
2. Borg

Hard Court:
1. Federer
2. Djokovic, Sampras,
3. Agassi

Indoor:
1. McEnroe
2. Gonzalez
3. Laver, Rosewall



On the women's side

Clay:
1. Chris Evert
2. Steffi Graf
3. Justine Henin

Grass:
1. Navratilova
2. Steffi Graf
3. Billie Jean King

Hard Court:
1. Steffi Graf
2. Serena Williams
3. Navratilova

Indoors:
1. Navratilova
2. Chris Evert
3. Steffi Graf
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This is a pretty solid lineup. I think you could sort out the faster hard courts from the slower modern hard courts, but that wouldn't change too much other than maybe put Agassi above Djokovic for the older fast hard courts, but that's about it.
 
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