Nadal hoping to finish career with 25 slams!

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Gary Duane

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Shots fired !

Wonder if he can come close. Feels like he's set 25 as a realistic target for him, and possibly what he thinks he'll need to put Federer and Djokovic out of sight.

Where did you get 25 from? I see nothing about that anywhere.
 

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He'll be 35 next time he gets a crack at 'em.
If these NextGen clowns don"t step up soon, I'm not sure it'll matter. Nadal holds so many longevity records now, there is little reason to keep doubting that he can't play at the highest level till Federer's current age.

Nadal is pacing himself better now, and those long injury lay-offs are becoming less frequent.
 
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If these NextGen clowns don"t step up soon, I'm not sure it'll matter. Nadal holds so many longevity records now, there is little reason to keep doubting that he can't play at the highest level till Federer's current age.
Nadal holds zero "longevity" records. Any that one may argue are negated by his cyclical recuperative breaks unavailable to the rest of the Tour.
 

stringertom

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Gary Duane

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To be fair, he said "I would love to..", so it's not exactly clear if he thinks that is a realistic goal or not. I'd love to have a billion dollars man.
I don't like predictions. The problem with predictions is that if millions of people make them, some will be lucky and end up right just out of chance.

I have no idea how many slams they will all end up with, but I would guess one more for Fed is almost a dream at this point, with more knee surgeries. I don't expect Rafa to make it to 25 - that would mean some huge luck with health (knees, joints), but as close as he is now it's not unlikely that he equals or passes Fed.

Djokovic has a harder road ahead. He lost 1 slam opportunity, so he needs this USO but may not play it. Then it looks like Rafa is gunning for another RG. Joker could do it, but he has to stay healthy, and his return stats have been sinking a bit and will sink more with age.
 

TripleATeam

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Nadal pretty much confirmed he's going go be the outright US Open GOAT.

It'd be pretty incredible for him to be the record titlist at both the French and US Open.
I’m not going to jump the shark, but his chances are decent.
No, both of you are incorrect. His chances aren't decent, and he hasn't come close to guaranteeing.

Nadal still needs to win the US Open twice, and his chances there are at most equal to Djokovic's. With a very generous estimate, at best it's a 40% chance. His chances only get lower from here. Saying he's got a good chance of doing it is very much downplaying how hard winning the USO is.

Plus, I anticipate Med, Thiem, and Tsitsipas to be stronger challenges each year. I doubt Nadal's getting to 5, let alone 6.
 

octogon

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How exactly has he done this? He really hasn't come close to the sort of dominance that Sampras or Federer achieved.
He just needs to win the most titles dude. He's only 1 behind Fed and Sampras (who aren't going to win any more), so it's doable
 
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ADuck

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I don't like predictions. The problem with predictions is that if millions of people make them, some will be lucky and end up right just out of chance.

I have no idea how many slams they will all end up with, but I would guess one more for Fed is almost a dream at this point, with more knee surgeries. I don't expect Rafa to make it to 25 - that would mean some huge luck with health (knees, joints), but as close as he is now it's not unlikely that he equals or passes Fed.

Djokovic has a harder road ahead. He lost 1 slam opportunity, so he needs this USO but may not play it. Then it looks like Rafa is gunning for another RG. Joker could do it, but he has to stay healthy, and his return stats have been sinking a bit and will sink more with age.
Yes, it's impossible to predict the future. Some people are better than others though, but even the best can't predict everything. If you had a gun to my head, I'd say 20-21 for Roger, 20-22 for Rafa, 21-23 for Djokovic.
 
I like Nadal's honesty here. He feels that he can only clear Federer with 25 slams. I agree with Rafa. Very commendable.
 
I’m not going to jump the shark, but his chances are decent.
Agree.

In a by-age comparison, Rafa is tracking very well. I hope he can do something similar to what Federer has done.

We've been spoiled by the way Federer has managed the back end of his career so superbly. There's no guarantee Nadal will be able to match it.

Djokovic is the youngest looking 30+ player I've ever seen, and he has mastered the art of efficiency as an ageing player in a similar way to Nadal.

The Big 4 era is going to end in a Herculean battle between Nadal and Djokovic with both of them going all out against each other and the field.
 

Gary Duane

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Yes, it's impossible to predict the future. Some people are better than others though, but even the best can't predict everything. If you had a gun to my head, I'd say 20-21 for Roger, 20-22 for Rafa, 21-23 for Djokovic.
I think lower for Joker, but only because he's getting older and running out of time. People always think these ATGs will go on winning forever. That can change in a heartbeat.
 

Gary Duane

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Djokovic is the youngest looking 30+ player I've ever seen, and he has mastered the art of efficiency as an ageing player in a similar way to Nadal.
First of all, his face looks much older, and this is typical for athletes. You don't see too many of them over the age of 30 with baby faces. It's a tough life.

But I don't think he's as untouchable as most think. I want to see his return stats for the end of this year and into the next. Because his service game is not effortless - he has to back it up with all his defensive skills - he has to rely on his return skills to keep up that high game %, which up to know has been amazing.
The Big 4 era is going to end in a Herculean battle between Nadal and Djokovic with both of them going all out against each other and the field.
I think you have that right, except that injuries can end either career at any time, and you just never see that coming. It does seem that Nadal is more vulnerable to body problems.
 

Gary Duane

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He's probably thinking of Djokovic more now, to be fair. Fed's threat is significantly diminished.
Only if Fed can't come back again. At this point Fed is bad news for Nadal off clay, so if he can't return, that's a boon for Nadal.
 

octogon

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I think lower for Joker, but only because he's getting older and running out of time. People always think these ATGs will go on winning forever. That can change in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Nadal has the highest ceiling in terms of numbers, when you consider their ages, and the fact that he's so hard to touch at the French. Djokovic doesn't feel unbeatable anywhere, even his pet slam. If Thiem was a bit stronger mentally, Djokovic would have lost the Australian Open this year. He should have lost Wimbledon last year as well.
 

ADuck

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I think lower for Joker, but only because he's getting older and running out of time. People always think these ATGs will go on winning forever. That can change in a heartbeat.
Very possible. For me, I just have to predict Djokovic ends ahead of Rafa because I feel his body is far younger despite only being 1 year younger than him. I feel very strongly that Djokovic will come close to Federer's level of longevity.
 
First of all, his face looks much older, and this is typical for athletes. You don't see too many of them over the age of 30 with baby faces. It's a tough life.

But I don't think he's as untouchable as most think. I want to see his return stats for the end of this year and into the next. Because his service game is not effortless - he has to back it up with all his defensive skills - he has to rely on his return skills to keep up that high game %, which up to know has been amazing.

I think you have that right, except that injuries can end either career at any time, and you just never see that coming. It does seem that Nadal is more vulnerable to body problems.
Absolutely. So many intangibles.....

As a Nadal tragic, I've caught myself daydreaming about him doubling US Open and Roland Garros this year. At the same time I've wondered more than once how on earth the US Open can even go ahead in the current climate.

Very hard to look more than a few weeks ahead at the moment.
 

octogon

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Only if Fed can't come back again. At this point Fed is bad news for Nadal off clay, so if he can't return, that's a boon for Nadal.
Even if Fed does come back, he's another year older and almost 40, and may have reduced physical capability after knee surgery. Nadal might be favored over him everywhere just because of that.
 
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I've been predicting 25 for a while now, because 20 is a formality unless he suffers a career-ending injury soon....
 

terribleIVAN

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It's not in Rafa's hands anymore: it all depends of the state of his remaining hair: should he be forced to go Agassi, all is lost.
 
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It's not in Rafa's hands anymore: it all depends of the state of his remaining hair: should he be forced to go Agassi, all is lost.
Please, for the love of God, somebody photoshop Nadal with bald hair like Agassi.
 

stringertom

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It’s a phrase that basically means not calling it too early or making a massive prediction. I’m not going to outright say that Nadal will get 25 slams, but I think he has the possibility to go over 20.
No, the phrase entered media jargon to describe creativity gone stale and new reliance on gimmickry to keep ratings up. The Fonz jumped the shark in Happy Days’ fifth season in this episode’s wacky attempt for some excitement:


Another top “Jump The Shark” example is the entire final season of Roseanne that dealt with every Conner family member’s struggle with handling new wealth from winning the lottery.
 
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