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definitely criplled.. after the treatment Tsonga gave him he was criplled for sure!
Nadal: I can't Go On Like This
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definitely criplled.. after the treatment Tsonga gave him he was criplled for sure!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
To me, he's the most fun, the most exciting, the most spectacular and the most likeable as well. I don't know if he will win as much as Fed or Sampras but I wouldn't exchange his intensity and giving -his- all- in- every- match mentality for a twice as long career and a page in the record books. I'd rather be highly entertained for a short time than vaguely distracted for a longer one.
His fighting spirit, ebullient energy and unfailing hunger for competing are a few of the things that draw me to him as a player. It that means a shorter career, so be it. I can say unwaveringly that during whatever time he lasted, he gave me my most enduring, exhilarating and indelible memories as a tennis fan.
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Connors was a great pro and he was exceptional in this dept. Listen to a match of his without watching. His sneakers squeaking are music to the ears. Anyway Connors played all out , moved his feet all the time and I really don't remember him complaining about knee problems from it. Unlike Rafa who appears to be coming apart before he reached the age where he gets out of the assigned risk category for car insurance. Notice I said appears. I don't really know how bad his knees are.
Seles is not comparable. Ridiculous.
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
Well............
I really don't think that Uncle Tony is looking at it from a financial perspective as the family is very wealthy. However, I do think that they did this to chase Fed and get the #1 ranking, at a severe cost. Rafa's game is completely based on retrieving and defense; run and rip.
That type of game takes a lot out of the body at the pro level. Now Rafa has to defend all of those points to stay even, and that will cost his even more. Agassi said it late last year the Rafa was writing checks his body can't continue to cash. So, I do not see things getting any easier for him in the future.
Cheers, TennezSport
I really don't think that Uncle Tony is looking at it from a financial perspective as the family is very wealthy. However, I do think that they did this to chase Fed and get the #1 ranking, at a severe cost. Rafa's game is completely based on retrieving and defense; run and rip.
That type of game takes a lot out of the body at the pro level. Now Rafa has to defend all of those points to stay even, and that will cost his even more. Agassi said it late last year the Rafa was writing checks his body can't continue to cash. So, I do not see things getting any easier for him in the future.
Cheers, TennezSport
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Nobody has ever played Nadal at Roland Garros the way Soderling did, and I mean NOBODY. Everyone else tried to play Nadal using clay court tennis tactics. Soderling said the heck with that and played Nadal as if he was playing on an indoor hard court. It worked. Nadal couldn't handle it and was literally blasted off of the court. The condition of his knees don't make a difference when he's 10 feet away from the ball.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I'm sure he was shocked, I know I was...definitely criplled.. after the treatment Tsonga gave him he was criplled for sure!
However, he has the ability to recover very fast...
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
He said if he's not 100 percent he won't play so i better not hear excuses!!!
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i swear i read:
His finely shaped derriere, ebullient biceps and unfailing hunger for vamosing and flexing muscles are a few of the main things that draw me to him as a player....
Without Uncle Toni, there wouldn't be a Golden Goose. Without Uncle Toni, Federer would have won 19 slams by now, with 3 calendar slams back-to-back.
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AMEN BROTHER.
malakas
Banned
I have been stating this would happen for some time now as Rafa has been suffering from this issue for 4.5 years and has learned to deal with it very well. However, as Coloskier stated it will not get better without proper treatment, therapy and rest for 6 to 8 weeks (or longer depending on severity); period! Rafa knows this along with his doctors.
According to the physio people we work with at Industrial Health and Fitness, the oedema that Rafa is currently experiencing can lead to tissue degeneration of the ligaments if not treated correctly. So, if you are thinking that Rafa will be 100% like new in 2 weeks; no way.
Can he get the swelling down and play with controlled pain as usual, maybe with agressive treatment. But that is the best case until he takes the required time off with treatment and physio therapy. Otherwise, he will wind up like so many before him with degenerative knee desease at 40. The risk he is running is playing on the slippery grass puts a lot of stress on the knee ligiments and could cause mjor damage that will require surgery (btw, clay court sliding and direction changes does also). Let's hope he and his team wise up.
Cheers, TennezSport
I thought that grass was the easiest surface for the knees,no?
I read in mtf that Michal Novotny the greatest tennis physiotherapist who has worked with Rafa in the past said in an interview that Nadal has 3 more years maximum of tennis carreer.Here is the article:http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Sport/Tenis/Nadal-ce-izdrzati-josh-najvishe-tri-sezone.sr.html
http://sport.idnes.cz/nadal-vydrzi-...tny-pxh-/tenis.asp?c=A090206_192753_tenis_rou
Maybe a serbian or checz poster here can tranlate it better.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...according to you guys, Nadal's knees have been hurting for two years. :-?
The match is Rome was close. It all came down to who converted break points and who didn't. Soderling learned something from that match and proceeded to blow Nadal off of the court at RG.
Nobody is unbeatable on any surface. Borg lost on clay. Sampras and Federer lost on grass. Nadal loses on clay. Deal with it!
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
He said that his knees have been hurting for months now so no his knees have not been fine for the year. Nadal made a terrible mistake if he's trying to make up an excuse.
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
I agree. If Nadal was even 100 percent i don't think he would have beaten Soderling anyways Soderling was just blowing balls past him and just outplayed nadal!
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Nadal hit short balls because Soderling was hitting the ball so hard and flat and deep. When your opponent is on fire and doing that consistently, there not much you can do but to cough up short balls. It was Soderling forcing the play and making Nadal do that by robbing Nadal of his time to get to the ball and set-up properly.
Even Jimmy Arias lost on clay.
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
That's fine. Live it up, Fed fans because you may only have several weeks to do so. And remember, Fed wasn't man enough to do it himself; he needed Soderling to do his dirty work.
malakas
Banned
ah no you got that one wrong.Nadal wasn't man enough,to reach the finals.
That's the first time I've ever heard tennis described as dirty work.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What happened was that Nadal ran into a guy with the exact game and physique that can beat him on clay and he happened to be playing the match of his life at the same time. Soderling then proceeded to kick Nadal's butt!
Ever see Nalbandian play Nadal? Nalbandian makes Nadal look like a little boy.
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Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
And just like the good ole days, Fed looks great when he doesn't have to play anyone. It was '04-'07 all over again.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Exactly. Your friends don't know anything about tennis because they only watch 8 matches a year. That's why they didn't understand what they were seeing. They didn't realize that it was Soderling's play that made Nadal look bad. Those of us that watch 800 matches a year know better.
malakas
Banned
ah even more weak from Nadal then to lost against that noone.tsk tsk
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
But Fed doesn't. And Rafa makes Fed look like a crying two year old. We could go in circles with this all day.
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
Yes but......
In the sense that there is less hard pounding, but keeping your balance on slippery grass is more difficult, and that can over stress ligaments very easily (especially if they are already weakened). Michal Novotny may be right if Rafa continues to play this way (and I don't see him changing anything at this late date).
Cheers TennezSport
In the sense that there is less hard pounding, but keeping your balance on slippery grass is more difficult, and that can over stress ligaments very easily (especially if they are already weakened). Michal Novotny may be right if Rafa continues to play this way (and I don't see him changing anything at this late date).
Cheers TennezSport
800 matches a year? IS that possible?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
If he said - "I like to play tennis tournaments, especially Wimbledon."
Does that mean the only tournament he ever plays is Wimbledon? :-?
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Except when Nadal bagles him.
Amen to that Veroniquem. Nadal filled a vacume. I hadn't seen the like of him since Borg Mac and Jimmy - he really is what tennis needed
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
Well............
Looking back at the match tapes I think BP has a valid point. The way Soderling played Rafa, even a 100% Rafa would have had problems. Raf was consistently pushed back by 15-25ft behind the baseline and no one can win back there. Usually players that try this tactic start to make UEs and allow Raf back into the match, but Soderling stayed steady so Raf had little or no chance.
Rafa's game is completely based on defense and making his opponent commit UEs. Looking at Rafa's stats over the years clearly shows that his opponents UEs far outweigh Rafa winners. This clearly depicts a defensive player style which requires lots of running. Raf heart and mental determination have keep him in matches that others would have lost; he makes you play that extra point. However, when a player is in the zone, Rafa has no where else to go but to fight harder and run further; no options.
Cheers, TennezSport
Looking back at the match tapes I think BP has a valid point. The way Soderling played Rafa, even a 100% Rafa would have had problems. Raf was consistently pushed back by 15-25ft behind the baseline and no one can win back there. Usually players that try this tactic start to make UEs and allow Raf back into the match, but Soderling stayed steady so Raf had little or no chance.
Rafa's game is completely based on defense and making his opponent commit UEs. Looking at Rafa's stats over the years clearly shows that his opponents UEs far outweigh Rafa winners. This clearly depicts a defensive player style which requires lots of running. Raf heart and mental determination have keep him in matches that others would have lost; he makes you play that extra point. However, when a player is in the zone, Rafa has no where else to go but to fight harder and run further; no options.
Cheers, TennezSport
Yes you are a prophet
Sorry never saw that,all I saw was bash,bash and bash.Fed's a liar,mono is an excuse,Fed excused his every loss ever with mono,he's done,he should retire,he sucks,should he retire like Henin did? etc. etc. The treatment Fed was receiving from combined forces of Nadal and Sampras fans(not all of course)here was actually much worse than what Nadal is getting right now.
The only single Nadal fan I saw who even admitted Fed had mono(let alone felt sorry for him)and it affected his game atleast to some degree was Thalivest.The same Thalivest who also had enough integrity to aknowledge Fed's win at the FO as legitimate and wasn't giving any excuses for it even though he doesn't like they guy at all(in fact he strongly dislikes him).
So don't come with this let's work together nonsense,99% of Nadal fans refused to acknowledge Fed had mono at all yet know when Nadal is having this great knee injury even though he wasn't warring any knee straping for quite a while and was going jet skiing just after FO we should believe right away without any shred of doubt?
What goes around comes around,you can't treat people one way without expecting any consuqences and the way Fed was treated ever since FO last year on this forum was kinda pathetic.
With that said I honestly hope Nadal plays Wimbledon as I'm pretty sure he will,it's good for tennis to have a tennis legend and a defending champion like Nadal in the draw.So if his situation really is that serious then I honestly do wish him speedy recovery.
Yeah just like it is obvious to BP how Federer was slow and pale etc. at AO last year? Fans from both side see what they want to see.The thing is it's neither Novak nor Soderling's problem whether Fed and Nadal were 100%,they showed up,were in good enough shape to play and they lost,that's all there is to it.
I cannot believe that people were not moved by Federers reaction after the AO and not believe that he had been through something horrendous physically . You shouldn't judge everyone like that. Some of us may not be fans of his but we are human beings
swedechris
Banned
Rafas knees and joints take a lot of pounding the way he has been palying ..i saw him back 2003 in Hamburg Germany at the now defunct Masters Series event at Rotenbaum there and in practise with Moya and Corretja he was all over the court .. amazing efforts and hitting all balls even if they were 5 feet out .. 6 years of that results in this it seems . hope it will get better for him soon.
well if thats what you want to believe.........
malakas
Banned
well apparently you haven't been around here in AO 09.He talks about the majority,not every single one.But his generalisation is legit since the exceptions are too few.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
So are people who think Soderling would annihilate a healthy Davydenko (who had just destroyed Verdasco) on clay 6-1, 6-3, 6-1 also "gravely delusional"?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, it is. Both live in person and on TV/Internet, and not just pro matches.
kanamit
Hall of Fame
Madrid 2009, anyone? Nadal hasn't been man enough to beat Fed on clay all year. The opposite cannot be said.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Then how did Nadal win all of his other 3 matches so easily in straight sets (while Federer struggled through all of his), and destroy Hewitt (former #1 in the world and two-time Grand Slam champion and who won a clay court tournament a few weeks ago) by the lopsided score of 6-1, 6-3, 6-1? :-?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That's because after the beating that Nadal got from Federer in Madrid, Nadal was afraid to face Federer again at RG so he lost to Soderling so he wouldn't have to face Federer in the final. :shock:
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Only when it's played on clay.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
The point is there are players out there that match up with Nadal well and can spank him on the court. Nadal is not unbeatable. What does this have to do with Federer?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
You mean like when Nalbandian went home after the 2nd set at IW and Nadal was just hitting balls across the net with no one on the other side?
The spanking that Nalbandian was giving Nadal for the first two sets was a lot of fun to watch.
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
WoW...........
:twisted: You little devil you, you just couldn't help yourself, could you??? :evil:
Cheers, TennezSport
:twisted: You little devil you, you just couldn't help yourself, could you??? :evil:
Cheers, TennezSport
because none of those players put pressure on him like Soderling did. Nadal is a counterpuncher. However if he doesn't need to counterpunch and is allowed to dictate the point, you're gonna get your ass kicked like Hewitt did.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I thought a nonsense post deserved a nonsense reply.:twisted: You little devil you, you just couldn't help yourself, could you??? :evil:
Cheers, TennezSport
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But it looked to me like Nadal was running and moving fine in all 4 of his matches, including the Soderling match.
cknobman
Legend
Nadal cant go on getting spanked by players outside the top 20, it makes him look bad.
I personally dont think(and hope) that is is very serious otherwise he would not have been playing like a madman for 3 months straight with no tape on his knees almost the entire time.
It was just an ego bruise because it was so early in the tournament and by a player Nadal dosnt really like all that much.
I personally dont think(and hope) that is is very serious otherwise he would not have been playing like a madman for 3 months straight with no tape on his knees almost the entire time.
It was just an ego bruise because it was so early in the tournament and by a player Nadal dosnt really like all that much.
WhirlingDervish
New User
Thank you for pointing out this article ... Here's a horrible translation of it from an online Serbian to English translator ... Difficult read but some nuggest can be gleaned ... Thanks again malakas
Nadal will face more than three seasons leading tennis physiotherapist Czech Novotni Mihal, who have treated six years of Spanish tennis, Guidelines Communication explains why the end of his career best tennis world champion biggest weakness - the knee. Before six years the first time is the world's leading specialist fizioterapaeut-tennis, 34-year-old Czech Mihal Novotni treated Rafaela hope, now the best tennis world. Then the "Rafa in Monte Carlo played his first major tournament, and even then had problems with knees, recalls the Novotni and he adds that because of these and other problems," stand to play up to three seasons. " Novotni travel to the world's largest tournament and then helps the best players the world. Godineje the beginning, for example, the main physio grend slemturniru in the first of the season - the International Championship in Australia. When Federer, Nadal or Djokovic address the judge, asking the doctors, they often add, "I will Mihai! For Novotni of them really have a name ... Good deogodine Novotni spend in Spain, speaks excellent Spanish, so that and therefore has a closer relationship sNadallom. The injuries have long hoped to say. Through 10 days (3 June) napunićetek 23 godine.Da will play in the tridesetoj? -Certainly not, give him a maximum of three seasons. Knees are a problem. The second is that he is constantly appear minor injuries that do not cured - said Novotni najtiražnijem Czech newspaper Mlada Front Dnes-. - There are large and strong muscles in the legs. This, of course, is not bad, but it has very small feet. Weight, no where to rasprostre so that the load on the places where the muscles join skostima very large. The problem is his style of play: aggressive and explosive. In this way burden the entire chain of muscles on the left side that begins to show the weakest places - in the knees. And then the pain gradually spread further. Federer, zahvaljući your style of play, such problems, according to Novotni probably will not have: I can not have them. In its pure and neisforsiranoj the game is almost impossible to hurt. Has perfect technique, the wounds are almost ideal, great strength and uses much less energy consuming. Federer I am more than eight years in the top of world tennis only twice helped. Nada at the problem and its program on what it is Novotni upozoravao several times: "When the deal is complicated rub his head to the sea at least two months to not play, to pass through the rehabilitation program, and then train again, but would postupno.Time certainly extend his career for two years ... Nadal, however, is not used to train forces in half, will now full strength, just the fight hungry. And injuries do not develop, the thigh of your teeth, it helps when you play a variety of bandage and tape. This is to be understood as his rank-list've standings from last season, would not be held in the first place, would earn less ... Novotnidodaje that all tennis agresvniji and demanding, scheduling is much greater density and therefore the health of all players ugroženije ... John Mekinro of his hand said that "gold". Marathi Safina says that "the Czech Hammer. "There is something in it," Novotni comment, and recognized that "when you work really hurts." Already more than eight years of treating the world's tennis elite, preparing them before the match, intervene in the match ... It stretches them, lomi, been, syringe painful places, previja, while onikrive lica.Rezultat, however, the most that they can continue to play ... For "show mast go on!"
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