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Lame excuse, even Fed's nutty fans know that Rafa owns him and dismisses Rog from the GOAT debate.
Nadal: "I Would Love To Have 1 More Slam Title Than Pete"
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Lame excuse, even Fed's nutty fans know that Rafa owns him and dismisses Rog from the GOAT debate.
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^ Djokovic benefited from slow hardcourt.
Nadal prefers the US Open over the Australian Open.
The only AO Nadal won he almost lost.
Nadal swept the entire US hardcourt summer.
And Nadal won Olympic Gold on fast hardcourt.
I wonder how Nadal would have been on clay though in the 90s, because the balls they use now are faster.
Probably wouldn't have been the same, because clay is clay and Nadal knows it inside out.
Nice picture.
One of my favourite Rafa outfits.
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Rafa doesn't own Nole though. In fact, I'd say Nole has a harder time with a 33-34 year old Federer than he does/did with a 25-26 year old Nadal.
racquetreligion
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Nads was the longest standing no2 in the world for a reason
Nads lost to Fognini on clay as Fogs BH matches up well to the constant crosscourts that usually dont match well for Fed.
Thats the only reason Nadal beats Fed, the constant drilling to the BH gets him Fed Up
its just a bad match up for Fed.Nole has adapted to all surfaces thanks to slower conditions but how many USO does Nole have? If you look at every year Nole starts the year strong then burns out by Wimby and USO then shines again for the year end finals.
Had Nole not lost to Kei with the fear and respect he had for the new propaganda, many doubt Cilic would have won the USO.
There is no doubt the balls are slower due to extra felt but heavier to allow maximum use of Hacker tennis to stay in the points on slower courts.
I love Rafas tennis without the waiting and butt picking and love Rogers and Noles tennis without the arrogance and racquet abuse. Everyone has issues but from the mentioned Top 3 even adding Murray to the mix there is no doubt Rafa and Nole have benefited the most from slowed down conditions. There is no doubt Rafa, Nole and Murray would not win Wimby if it was contested on the real fast grass with original balls with less felt.
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VexlanderPrime
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Its fun to see how crazy extreme the Fed and Rafa fans take their opinions. Drinking the haterade.
Gary Duane
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Amazingly twisted...
Then amazingly twisted the other way.
Both players deserve way more respect. And apparently age has no bearing on how much people twist.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Yup. Now and then there is an intelligent thread where people actually make points with thought.
This is not one of them.
BringBackSV
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You're better than this.
Im a Fed fan but don't believe in a GOAT. If there were to be one though, he's not it.
BringBackSV
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That is the lamest excuse ever. He's playing with his non dominant hand on top of it.
BringBackSV
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Rafa isn't the GOAT either and Nole certainly isn't close.
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BringBackSV
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Yeah, I guess that guy with 18-7-303 must be then.
He's had a fantastic career and is one of the greats, I don't think it is doing him a disservice though to say he's not the greatest ever.
beast of mallorca
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Sadly, many fans (Fed and Rafa fan bases and others) are just blinded by hate, some by Whisky......:twisted:
Gary Duane
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I'm not dreaming about anything. At age 33, soon 34, his best chances are in Bo3 matches, where skill and strategy can often over come younger players with more endurance, especially in straight sets.
I'm well aware of the history of tennis.
But you seem to get involved in GOAT discussions, which I think are utterly pointless. Rafa and Roger are still the best of this time period, with more to come. Novak will have more to say about it, but he is about to turn 28, and Rafa is about to turn 29. Slams are not common for men so close to 30.
I'll leave it at that.
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Nathaniel_Near
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It's honestly reaaaaally hard to read the messages when they are filled with hashtags. Call me stupid but the way I process information leads me to just keep saying out loud in my head "hashtag" as I read the messages.
Gary Duane
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Ditto.
Remember the intelligent conversation we were having yesterday, in another thread?
Well, fanboys and trolls are back in control. Depressing.
thomasferrett
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Yes but Federer is Federer. Nadal is Nadal. And he's better than that he will be having three Slam seasons well into his knowledge mid thirties
I'm excited. Within next few months we will know the result of GOAT war. RG and Wimbledon and maybe USO 2015 will decide for good the winner of the most important race on tennis history. I can see the triumph of many Nadal fan already. Good for him if he can pull it off. But future, we never know.
SpinToWin
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Yeah, and it also makes no sense whatsoever, it is not creating subtopics for the tagged words or anything so...
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#There #is #no #such #thing #as #a #GOAT #in #tennis. #Never #has #been, #never #will #be.
#PTL #JC4Ever
#AngieB
#AngieB
I stop reading Angie's post after she kept on adding hashtag. It's so hard to read, especially when it's a long post.
tennisaddict
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Nadal: Obsessed with Sampras's 14 Slams
Nadal spoke again. Sounds like he's even more determine to break Sampras's 14 than Nole looking for his 1st FO.
"Now I have 14 Slams titles, the same number of Pete Sampras and I will give my best to overcome him, bringing to 15 titles. I know that the records exist, but I have never focused on things like this, I think about the day-to-day tournaments. It is just thinking in this way, that you can get a lot of records." said the Spaniard.
Rafael Nadal: "I will give my best to surpass Pete Sampras"
Nadal spoke again. Sounds like he's even more determine to break Sampras's 14 than Nole looking for his 1st FO.
"Now I have 14 Slams titles, the same number of Pete Sampras and I will give my best to overcome him, bringing to 15 titles. I know that the records exist, but I have never focused on things like this, I think about the day-to-day tournaments. It is just thinking in this way, that you can get a lot of records." said the Spaniard.
Rafael Nadal: "I will give my best to surpass Pete Sampras"
Your hashtags have completely ruined whatever you intend to post, and it seems like there's no added benefit. Why hashtag every word?
Not surprising as it sounded like the initial OP comment, made by the same poster!
beast of mallorca
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Just ignore that idiot Nathaniel.:twisted:
cc0509
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What do you expect from that poster? Always trying to stir up trouble. :twisted:
E La Banana
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You are perfectly right to chose this mode of calculation... but in doing so you prove the contrary of your point :
Obviously 9 + 3 + 2 is more balanced than 0 + 7 + 7
or what ?
tennisaddict
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He is saying 7 > 3 and 7 > 2.
eliars
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Havn't really browsed through these boards since AO, but I see these forums still provide comic relief:
Just one among many.
Just one among many.
Not if you do it by slams instead of by surface.
As hard court = 2 slams, a perfectly balanced resume today would have as many titles on hard court as on grass and clay combined.
(2, 0, 7, 5) is a set with less variance than (1, 9, 2, 2). That is what I am calling balance. From other perspective, though, the career slam does seem to make up for it.
Prabhanjan
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The proof to ledwix's claim:
> sd(c(1,9,2,2));sd(c(2,0,7,5))
[1] 3.696846
[1] 3.109126
> sd(c(9,3,2));sd(c(0,7,7))
[1] 3.785939
[1] 4.041452
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90's Clay does appreciate some of Federer's era to a small degree, in that he doesn't actually think they are as bad as Dimitrov, Raonic, or even Nishikori (who is the best of the bunch and not 'trash' at all).
smoledman
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Yes it's quite pathetic. You can smell their fear!
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I personally think 2010-present is weaker than Fed's era.
BringBackSV
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That's what Im hoping for, 17 each.
Tennis_Hands
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There won't be debates. Both would be goats
Among the knowledgeable people there is no debate even now.
Among the knowledgeable people there is no debate even now.
True, but there is a debate who those knowledgeable people even are.
Tennis_Hands
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There is no debate about that.
Even if they do not entertain the idea of being called "knowledgeable".
Yeah, smart people are able to recognize genius. That's self evident.
Most Fed fans are also able to recognize smart things Nadal does. Not vice versa it seems.
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