Nadal is 0-8 in successful attempts at the WTF

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
His worst surface and his top 2 rivals' best one... Go figure
Out of 8 editions he'd maybe win 2 or 3 at most if both Federer and Djokovic were not in the draw. The guy needs his USO draws to win anything on HC. Any half-decent top 10 player on HC can take him down.
 

Pfabgon

New User
Out of 8 editions he'd maybe win 2 or 3 at most if both Federer and Djokovic were not in the draw. The guy needs his USO draws to win anything on HC. Any half-decent top 10 player on HC can take him down.
Yeah, like AO 2009 and USO 2010, and 2013???

Just remember Fed losing to Millman,Dimitrov, and Del Potro multiple times before making such useless comments.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Yeah, like AO 2009 and USO 2010, and 2013???

Just remember Fed losing to Millman,Dimitrov, and Del Potro multiple times before making such useless comments.
Let's see who Nadal will be losing to when he's 36-38 first. He's had a good streak recently but it's been a lot uglier for him than for Fed at times, especially in 2015-2016.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
isn’t Med top 4 in the world? Wasn’t Cilic a tough opponent in AO 18 F?
It's Medvedev. If he continues this form I'll reevaluate his level.

Cilic was tough yeah. Probably his last tournament where he played at a good level. Absolute suckage since.
 

mightyrick

Legend
In its history, the WTF/YEC has always been a really weird tournament. The current incarnation is no less weird.

Because of the round-robin format, you can actually have a bad match. Because of the best-of-three format, you only have to hold your level for two sets. Because of the surface/environment, you have to be good at indoor hardcourt. Because of the point distribution system, the top few players don't actually net that much more points than the others. Coming in second (or even third) honestly is all you need to do in order to keep your ranking moderately safe.

It's just weird. Those factors can yield "champions" like Zverev and Dimitrov.

I've never given much credence to the YEC because it isn't a true "championship" anymore than Wimbledon is a "championship". Our year-end champion has always been determined by how a player has performed against the field for the entire season.

It certainly is much more than an exhibition because of the potential points it can yield. But at the same time, the distribution and time of season of the tournament makes it far less consequential. If a player has done their job throughout the season, the impact of the WTF is usually negligible. It has much more impact for players like Zverev and Dimitrov.
 
Yes definitely. What's Nadal's record vs top 10 on HC? Is he even over 50%?
What's his record in cycling? He's never won Tour de France, NOT ONCE and yet they call him King of Paris!!!

What a joke. He's so overrated, a total nil just like Novak who won all his slams by hitting 50000 lucky shots in a row.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
What's his record in cycling? He's never won Tour de France, NOT ONCE and yet they call him King of Paris!!!

What a joke. He's so overrated, a total nil just like Novak who won all his slams by hitting 50000 lucky shots in a row.
Considering his record on HC the fact that he is a 4 time USO champion is the ultimate joke. Djokovic must be boiling inside with the bad luck that he's had over the years and Nadal having all the luck in the world. Rod Laver could win the USO title with such draw and he's 80 years old.
 

Pfabgon

New User
WTF >>>>> any tournament you mentioned
Ask any player if they would prefer an Olympic Gold medal in singles vs a WTF title and I bet they’d all pick an Olympic Gold.

If I remember correctly, I saw a Tsitsipas interview the other day and he said that he would prefer an Olympic Gold over a Grand Slam Title.
 

selesian

Rookie
So what should Fed do when he has a lifetime contract with Halle? Split himself?

Fed plays Halle and ederer plays Queen's.
Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy as soon as somebody dangled some cash in front of his big nose. He'll retire with one of the most prestigious grass court titles missing from his résumé.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy as soon as somebody dangled some cash in front of his big nose. He'll retire with one of the most prestigious grass court titles missing from his résumé.
I'm sure he'll be crying every day knowing he has 4x as many Wimbledons as Nadal.
 
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Deleted member 744633

Guest
He played the tournament 8 times and failed to win each time. What could Nadal change to win?
Pro ... I'm glad Djokovic has won the WTF many times but I've always made clear my opinion of that event. IMO, greatness of a player has no relation to that event. The slams are the bench mark.
 
Considering his record on HC the fact that he is a 4 time USO champion is the ultimate joke. Djokovic must be boiling inside with the bad luck that he's had over the years and Nadal having all the luck in the world. Rod Laver could win the USO title with such draw and he's 80 years old.
Newsflash: luck plays a large role in everything including sports. Otherwise everyone would be equally intelligent, successful, and talented. We'd live in Utopia. The trick is to recognize luck not imagine it when it isn't there.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
Ok
Ask any player if they would prefer an Olympic Gold medal in singles vs a WTF title and I bet they’d all pick an Olympic Gold.

If I remember correctly, I saw a Tsitsipas interview the other day and he said that he would prefer an Olympic Gold over a Grand Slam Title.
Ok i will ask Thiem who skips next year olympics for a 250 tournament
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Sure, Djoker has been more successful at the WTF. When you are talking about the two greatest players ever, possibly the co-GOATs, Djoker will be better in some areas, Nadal in others. More power to him.
 
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