Nadal is ahead of Federer in Slams adjusted by difficulty

He’s the greatest HC tennis player of all time for sure. Grass he has the numbers at Wimbledon too, despite the fact I rate Sampras close to equal on faster Wimbledon grass.
Federer has 0 US Opens in the Nadal era...cannot be remotely close to even bein top 5 of all time on grass. USO is the main hard court event.
 
Awesome, that puts the claim to GOAThood even further out of reach for Nadal
Continued success for Rafa and (to a lesser extent) Djoker, ironically puts an individual GOAThood claim for all three out of reach. The more Djokodal win over the next two years, the more the water gets muddy in terms of a single GOAT. This presumes that one doesn't drastically pass the others in all the major categories which is unlikely at this point.
 
The numbers are increasingly and inevitability falling to Djoker and Rafa because Fed is old and there is no one to challenge them. Nadal was winning HC masters and Djokovic was winning and making finals at HC slams before 2009. Nadal was making Wimbledon finals since 2006. Nadal came up short at the slams, but it wasn't because he wasn't mature on either surface. Federer has a higher career winning % on grass and HC than Nadal. It's not even close. Nadal is only where he's at because of clay. Djokovic is where he's at because Fed got old. Djokovic peaked in Fed's 13th year on tour. 13 years. You guys really are something else.
Totally laughable. Rafa had a peak Fed coming up and still deals with Novak to this day. Novak had Fed and Rafa coming up and still has to deal with Rafa. Neither Novak nor Nadal had the extended period without a peak or near peak ATG that Roger had. At best for Roger the competition faced is a wash. If Rafa and Novak were dealing with younger ATG players right now, their level of difficulty for their careers would blow Rogers out of the water.
 

ABCD

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Totally laughable. Rafa had a peak Fed coming up and still deals with Novak to this day. Novak had Fed and Rafa coming up and still has to deal with Rafa. Neither Novak nor Nadal had the extended period without a peak or near peak ATG that Roger had. At best for Roger the competition faced is a wash. If Rafa and Novak were dealing with younger ATG players right now, their level of difficulty for their careers would blow Rogers out of the water.
I agree with sentiment of your post. I would add Murray here. Federer had tough period with Nadal/Djokovic/Murray and much easier period without them. He come third in the tough period and was the best p[layer in the easier one.
 
Totally laughable. Rafa had a peak Fed coming up and still deals with Novak to this day. Novak had Fed and Rafa coming up and still has to deal with Rafa. Neither Novak nor Nadal had the extended period without a peak or near peak ATG that Roger had. At best for Roger the competition faced is a wash. If Rafa and Novak were dealing with younger ATG players right now, their level of difficulty for their careers would blow Rogers out of the water.
Nadal was #2 player in the world during most of Fed's peak. Didn't seem to have a problem winning HC Masters, FO every single year, making Wimbledon finals left and right. No excuses. He couldn't beat the same guys that Federer was beating at HC slams. He fell short. Oh well. He dominated clay like no one has before or since during this period. God type numbers. Yet Federer had no competition. Don't make me laugh. Fed led Djokovic 13-6 before 2011 and Djokovic has won 2/3 of his slams since Fed turned 30. Besides 2013, when has Rafa truly been a threat to Djokovic anywhere off clay? Exactly. Djokovic basically replaced Federer. Djokovic had Murray and old Fed off clay. To sum it up, Nadal always wins the FO and Djokovic replaced Federer on HC and grass with no one to really challenge him. It's not rocket science.
 
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Lew II

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Fedr's and Nole's games aren't really suited for clay. All sensible Nadal fans can see this.

RG has been a walk in the park for Nadal.
We could say the same about Djokovic and Nadal on grass, if Federer didn't allow them to win at Wimbledon.

Big3 winning percentage against other players:

Roland Garros --> 216-18 (92.3%)
Wimbledon --> 199-24 (89.2%)
 
OK, so three easy titles.

Nadal has 12 easy RG titles, included loads of walkovers against his pigeon Fraud :-D
Federer won 3 Majors in 2004, 2 in 2005, and 3 in 2006....that's 8 Majors. So, in reality he has 12 Majors in a competitive era compared to Nadals 18 and Djokovic 15....as I keep saying 3rd of his era
 
We could say the same about Djokovic and Nadal on grass, if Federer didn't allow them to win at Wimbledon.

Big3 winning percentage against other players:

Roland Garros --> 216-18 (92.3%)
Wimbledon --> 199-24 (89.2%)
Yes, the field is particularly rotten on clay.

No player can cruise through Wimbledon, because there are so many threats on grass.
 
6 slams as opposed to 12 on clay

1 AO
2 Wimb
3 USO

So Nadal is equal with wawa at the AO
Equal with Djokovic and behind Fed at Wimb (also = with Murray)
And again, behind both Djokovic and Fed at the USO

How people are already calling this guy the overall GOAT is beyond me.

Edit: Nadal is even behind Agassi at the AO and Sampras at Wimb and USO. He’s behind so many off clay. This renders him a clay specialist, not GOAT overall. In order to be overall GOAT, he needs to be equal best on the majority of the surfaces.
Fed is 1 behind at the AO, best at Wimb and equal best at USO (5 in a row too).
"If we ignore clay", as though that were reasonable. Wonder what even motivates you to make such a silly case.
 
Nadal was #2 player in the world during most of Fed's peak. Didn't seem to have a problem winning HC Masters, FO every single year, making Wimbledon finals left and right. No excuses. He couldn't beat the same guys that Federer was beating at HC slams. He fell short. Oh well. He dominated clay like no one has before or since during this period. God type numbers. Yet Federer had no competition. Don't make me laugh. Fed led Djokovic 13-6 before 2011 and Djokovic has won 2/3 of his slams since Fed turned 30. Besides 2013, when has Rafa truly been a threat to Djokovic anywhere off clay? Exactly. Djokovic basically replaced Federer. Djokovic had Murray and old Fed off clay. To sum it up, Nadal always wins the FO and Djokovic replaced Federer on HC and grass with no one to really challenge him. It's not rocket science.
You argue that Rafa wasn't good enough on HC yet, which is totally reasonable given his age, then you say no excuses? Lol, wtf? Who needs excuses? We just need to look at Rogers best competition at the time to see comparatively something was lacking. As to Novak, outside of injury and the slump, still had to deal with another ATG throughout his career. I dont care about the self serving "weak competition" arguments but if we are going down that road, Feddy is #3.
 
banned for having multiple accounts, you dumwit.
Federer won 4 USOs in the peak of Nadal (2005-2009)
oh and he also beat Djokovic 3 times at his peak (2007, 2008 and 2009)
:)
Who has multiple accounts?

Teenagers are not prime, Federer did not win USO in 2009, Delpotro schooled him in the final. It is fact that Federer in the prime of Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro and Murray and Wawrinka has 0 US Opens.

Put bluntly Federer is one dimensional and too reliant on his serve as the evidence clearly shows.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Who has multiple accounts?
you.

Teenagers are not prime, Federer did not win USO in 2009, Delpotro schooled him in the final. It is fact that Federer in the prime of Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro and Murray and Wawrinka has 0 US Opens.
delpo was 2 points away from losing to federer. if that was schooling, then what was the brutal taking apart of Nadal - 2, 2 and 2. :-D:-D:-D:-D
whiplashing ? :-D:-D

Put bluntly Federer is one dimensional and too reliant on his serve as the evidence clearly shows.
and again, an absolute dumb statement based on your zero clue about tennis
Federer's return game won% on grass in 2003-2007 (his peak on grass) > Djokovic's return game won% on grass in 2011-2015 (his peak on grass)
Federer's return game won% on grass > Nadal's
Federer's return game won% on HC vs top 20 ( by some margin) > nadal's return game won on HC vs top 20

maybe watch some tennis before being schooled left, right, bottom, top by everyone (including me)
 
its not funny to see a deranged moron claim a 30+ guy is at his peak.
but its also hilarious to see you are dumb enough not to see that I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine.
I am allowing you to contradict your own posts which you are doing spectacularly well. And the fact you resort to hurling insults from the safety of behind you keyboard is sheer poetry.

If Federer is not competitive as you seem to be suggesting he hasn't been against the very best since 2008 he should have retired as he cannot have the luxury of claiming he has over 70 per cent of his career that can be dismissed when he lost as he was past it. To be fair Federer doent hide behind such pathetic excuses, the guy is a true sportsman, and no doubt would be embarrassed by the drivel some of his posters put on the internet, indeed he has referred to the behaviour of some of his'fans'.
 
you.



delpo was 2 points away from losing to federer. if that was schooling, then what was the brutal taking apart of Nadal - 2, 2 and 2. :-D:-D:-D:-D
whiplashing ? :-D:-D



and again, an absolute dumb statement based on your zero clue about tennis
Federer's return game won% on grass in 2003-2007 (his peak on grass) > Djokovic's return game won% on grass in 2011-2015 (his peak on grass)
Federer's return game won% on grass > Nadal's
Federer's return game won% on HC vs top 20 ( by some margin) > nadal's return game won on HC vs top 20

maybe watch some tennis before being schooled left, right, bottom, top by everyone (including me)
Any proof? No didn't think so.

Self praise really is no praise, and every post you just confirm why nadal is GOAT as you admit the fact Nadal has the most complete resume by virtue of him having Multiple Majors on Multiple surfaces.

Federer is one dimensional these past 10 years, he has not won a Major in anything less than serve friendly conditions. I am not stating opinions just putting the statistical evidence there.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I am allowing you to contradict your own posts which you are doing spectacularly well. And the fact you resort to hurling insults from the safety of behind you keyboard is sheer poetry.

If Federer is not competitive as you seem to be suggesting he hasn't been against the very best since 2008 he should have retired as he cannot have the luxury of claiming he has over 70 per cent of his career that can be dismissed when he lost as he was past it. To be fair Federer doent hide behind such pathetic excuses, the guy is a true sportsman, and no doubt would be embarrassed by the drivel some of his posters put on the internet, indeed he has referred to the behaviour of some of his'fans'.
Did you even get that you got schooled badly with a taste of your own medicine or are you really under the delusion that I was contradicting myself.
I'm not dismissing any part of Federer's career.
You OTOH have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 2008 and hence keep dissing/ignoring Federer's dominance at USO from 2004-2009 semi
 
Did you even get that you got schooled badly with a taste of your own medicine or are you really under the delusion that I was contradicting myself.
I'm not dismissing any part of Federer's career.
You OTOH have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 2008 and hence keep dissing/ignoring Federer's dominance at USO from 2004-2009 semi
I thought you stated you were not a millennial? The language of your posts is exactly that of millennials, which is absolutely fine as it is important that tennis appeals to the new generation and it pleases me that you are so invested in the sport. Long may it continue. Just refrain from personal insults as keyboard warriors do not garner my respect or that of other posters either.

The contradictions in your posts is that you seek to claim Federer is a greater all rounder, yet it is Nadal who has Multiple Majors on all surfaces.
 
You argue that Rafa wasn't good enough on HC yet, which is totally reasonable given his age, then you say no excuses? Lol, wtf? Who needs excuses? We just need to look at Rogers best competition at the time to see comparatively something was lacking. As to Novak, outside of injury and the slump, still had to deal with another ATG throughout his career. I dont care about the self serving "weak competition" arguments but if we are going down that road, Feddy is #3.
Precisely my point as well.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Any proof? No didn't think so.
ha ha ha ha. said the clueless guy who doesn't have an inkling of tennis before 2008 and probably assumes others don't know much either.

1. Federer on grass from 2003-2007 :
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-b...derer&f=A2007qq,2006qq,2005qq,2004qq,2003qqB2
Break% = 29.6, Return points won% = 40.9%

Djokovic on grass from 2011-2015 :
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-b...kovic&f=A2015qq,2014qq,2013qq,2012qq,2011qqB2
break% = 27%, Return points won% = 39.9%

2. Federer on grass for career :
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RogerFederer&f=ACareerqqB2
Break% = 23.9%, Return points won% = 38.3%

Nadal on grass for career :
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RafaelNadal&f=ACareerqqB2
Break% = 22.7%, Return points won% = 37.1%

3. Federer on HC vs top 20 :
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RogerFederer&f=ACareerqqB0ITop_20qq
Break% = 24.5%, Return points won% = 38.5%

Nadal on HC vs top 20 :
http://www.tennisabstract.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?p=RafaelNadal&f=ACareerqqB0ITop_20qq
Break% = 22.3%, Return points won% = 37.3%

Self praise really is no praise, and every post you just confirm why nadal is GOAT as you admit the fact Nadal has the most complete resume by virtue of him having Multiple Majors on Multiple surfaces.
no, he doesn't. He has 1 AO -- same as Federer at the FO.
Also sucks indoors for an ATG. 0 YECs.

Federer is one dimensional these past 10 years, he has not won a Major in anything less than serve friendly conditions. I am not stating opinions just putting the statistical evidence there.
again, more and more delusions from a delusional poster.
FO 2009 and AO 2010 were not serve friendly.


Hilarious cover of Nadal being clearly less varied than Federer or even Djokovic by trying to say Federer is one-dimensional. But maybe you are that deluded/clueless.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
I thought you stated you were not a millennial? The language of your posts is exactly that of millennials, which is absolutely fine as it is important that tennis appeals to the new generation and it pleases me that you are so invested in the sport. Long may it continue. Just refrain from personal insults as keyboard warriors do not garner my respect or that of other posters either.

The contradictions in your posts is that you seek to claim Federer is a greater all rounder, yet it is Nadal who has Multiple Majors on all surfaces.
I never said I'm not a millenial. But continue to delude youself.
But its obvious you are nothing more than a clueless (about tennis) teenager who didn't watch much tennis at all before 2008 and is high on his set of delusions.

As far as the last statement goes, more delusionals. Federer is the greater all around player without a question -- to anyone who has an inkling about tennis.
Nadal has 1 slam at the AO, just as Federer has 1 FO. Its dishonest BS to club AO and USO to make it look it hype up "Nadal has multiple majors on all surfaces" or "is the better all-around player".
Oh and also dishonest to ignore that he is crappy indoor for an ATG. Or does that fact make you go into a river of denial ? :)
 
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Lew II

Hall of Fame
@abmk to a Djokovic fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 2011

abmk to a Nadal fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 2008

abmk to a Borg fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 1976

Abmk to a Tilden fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 1920
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
@abmk to a Djokovic fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 2011

abmk to a Nadal fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 2008

abmk to a Borg fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 1976

Abmk to a Tilden fan

You have absolutely zero clue about tennis before 1920
abmk to a Djokovic fan -- Hitman -- has watched tennis since the 1990s.
abmk to an absolutely clueless Djokovic fan -- Lew -- hasn't watched much tennis at all.

is that enough or do you want to be owned more :D
 
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