Nadal is better than same age Federer at USO

Towser83 said:
Firstly you're making the assumption that if Federer was born 5 years later or Nadal 5 years sooner, they'd play the same as he did day for day, despite different matches, different competition growing up and all sorts of variables, which is ridiculous.

Secondly, Nadal didn't play that well in 2017 but had one of the easiest draws in slam history. Federer's level in 2012 was generally better than Nadal's on HC, he's beaten Djokovic in Cincy 6-0 7-6 but had a walkover prior to the berdych match which may have robbed him of some momentum. He also seemed to have a bit of an issue with Berdych at that time

You're also not stating if you're making Nadal 5 years older or Fed 5 years younger. This matters a lot
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Yes I am comparing the level from the matches they played
 
Fedforever said:
Sure, but I think you're treating the scenario as if it was a time machine by transporting a 2013 Nadal to play a 2008 Fed. But if they'd been the same age then both 2013 Nadal and 2008 Fed would have been different players because their rivalry had such a big influence on hoe they developed. Change the terms of that rivalry and you change them.
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Sure but I am just stating the level of play
I think Nadal played at a higher level in the 2010 final than Federer did in the 2005 final in my opinion
 
Objective observer said:
Yes I am comparing the level from the matches they played
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Yes but you can't always extrapolate. Fed went 2-1 against Djokovic on outdoor Hardcourt in 2014 with the one match Novak won going to a 3rd set tiebreaker. But I would never say that Fed would have beaten Novak at AO that year, it's a bridge to far
 
Towny said:
Of course Fed fans can be subjective (and some are trolls, as in every fanbase). They just don't tend to call themselves 'objective observer'
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You will be surprised to see how many Fed trolls start their threads by saying that they are being objective. NOT.
 
Towny said:
Yes but you can't always extrapolate. Fed went 2-1 against Djokovic on outdoor Hardcourt in 2014 with the one match Novak won going to a 3rd set tiebreaker. But I would never say that Fed would have beaten Novak at AO that year, it's a bridge to far
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Yeah but those wins were on a faster surface while AO was on a slower surface

USO surface is medium slow it's not too much of a leap to suggest Nadal would beat Federer
 
Objective observer said:
Yeah but those wins were on a faster surface while AO was on a slower surface

USO surface is medium slow it's not too much of a leap to suggest Nadal would beat Federer
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USO wasn't as slow in the 2000s though I agree it wasn't super fast either. The point I was making is slams are a different beast. Fed bageled Nadal in Hamburg, it didn't mean anything at FO2007. In the same way, Nadal beating Fed in Dubai doesn't really mean much in the context of the USO
 
Towny said:
USO wasn't as slow in the 2000s though I agree it wasn't super fast either. The point I was making is slams are a different beast. Fed bageled Nadal in Hamburg, it didn't mean anything at FO2007. In the same way, Nadal beating Fed in Dubai doesn't really mean much in the context of the USO
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Hamburg is much faster which is what I'm saying
 
Xavier G said:
Nadal might be considered lucky Delpo didn't play the US Open in 2010 after coming off surgery because the guy absolutely creamed Rafa in the 2009 semi. :p

The fantasy match-up 5 years apart thing is something we'll never know, how Rafa would have done in those years vs Roger.
I don't think Rafa 2013 is beating Roger 2008 though. RF barely lost the '08 Wimbledon final in the end (9-7 final set) and was not to be denied in NY 2008.

I'll say think Rafa's US Open wins are unaffected, as I think he would have beaten Fed in 2010, 2013 and 2017 real time.
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You don't understand how these things work.

You just pick a scenario you agreed with yourself upon, and just make up stuff.

8-)
 
Objective observer said:
Yes I am comparing the level from the matches they played
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This makes no sense though. Also are you making Nadal 5 years older or Fed 5 years younger? What I mean is, is 2010 Nadal playing in the 2005 event with all those players or is 2005 Fed playing in 2010 with all those players. It's not just about 2 players but the whole field
 
Objective observer said:
Hamburg is low bounce but also fast which is why it helps federer
You think monte carlo would suddenly favor Federer if it was just lower bouncing?
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yes, make your conclusion of speed/bounce based on result of players rather than observation.
your username is the exact opposite of what you are : biased blinded guy :D
 
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Nadal is much weaker against the field. He never played against peak söderling, davydenko, nalbandian. Agassi still produced his best against Federer in 2004 and first 3 sets in 05.

Nadal only had Djokovic in the final, which is a very very bug challenge, but unlike Federer he didnt have to prove he can beat any opposition at us open. And he probably would fail to improve it if he would have the same opposition as Fed. I really doubt he can best nalbandian and davydenko in row like fed did in 2005, no matter what version of Nadal shows up.
 
KINGROGER said:
Djokovic played better at USO in 2008. No big collapse was just destroyed.
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Djokovic was much better in the first set of 08 vs 13, 13 Djokovic was a bit better on the surface in the middle two sets, but against an easier opponent for him as well as Nadal's depth of shot started to fall. So closer to even. 08 Djokovic was better in the final set, but the difference isn't meaningful. Overall, it's at worst even.
 
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metsman said:
Djokovic was much better in the first set of 08 vs 13, 13 Djokovic was a bit better on the surface in the middle two sets, but against an easier opponent for him as well as Nadal's depth of shot started to fall. So closer to even. 08 Djokovic was better in the final set, but the difference isn't meaningful. Overall, it's at worst even.
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I agree was kinda playing along.
 
Objective observer said:
Hamburg is low bounce but also fast which is why it helps federer
You think monte carlo would suddenly favor Federer if it was just lower bouncing?
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The Hamburg court plays slower due to the climate and the city altitude. The average temperature is lower than in Paris/Monte Carlo and a colder weather lowers the air pressure inside a tennis ball making it "harder".
Try to kick two different footballs, one with the lower pressure inside and one with the higher, and you'll see the difference. If you use the same kicking force, the one with a higher pressure inside will fly faster.
 
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At the end of the season that they turned 32:

Slams: 17 - 17
YE # 1: Fed 5 - 4
Weeks at # 1: Fed 302 - 196
WTF: Fed 6 - 0
Masters: Rafa 33 - 21
Titles: Rafa 80 - 77

There's not much in it. Djoker will pretty much close all significant gaps by the time he is 32 at the end of next year too. He is a year behind and his stats are:

14
5 (by the end of this calendar year)
232 (by the end of this calendar year)
5 (with a chance for 6 this year)
Masters 32
Titles 72
 
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