Nadal is currently best at ROS

[clayqueen]

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/nadal-infosys-return-october-2017

Nadal's Surprising Stat That Pushed Him To No. 1
OCT032017

Craig O'Shannessy

Infosys ATP Beyond The Numbers explains how the Spaniard overcomes the odds returning first serves
As a returner, everything is stacked against you.

Firstly, you are facing the hardest shot hit on a tennis court, sometimes upwards of 140 mph. Blink, and it’s gone. Secondly, you begin in a statistical black hole, not even forecast to win three out of every 10 points you play.

Returning first serves is one of the toughest elements of our sport, with only a handful of players able to nudge their win rate higher than 30 per cent in this key strategic area. Depending on court surface and speed, average first-serve return win percentages for the Top 100 are typically between 26-30 per cent, with the average right at 28 per cent.

An Infosys ATP Beyond The Numbers analysis of Rafael Nadal’s resurgence to No. 1 in the Emirates ATP Rankings this season shows that the Spaniard's performance in this key battleground has certainly aided his comeback.

Nadal is also No. 1 on tour in 2017 winning return points against first serves, at 35.2 per cent (971/2761). That metric bumps up to an astounding 43.4 per cent (454/1045) when you focus on just his clay-court matches.

 

[swordtennis]

He also has the greatest ass on tour.

 

[clayqueen]

He also has the greatest ass on tour.

A famous one.

 

[swordtennis]

A famous one.

I am still trying to figure out how much of it makes up his net worth. His legs and forehand make up a huge amount.

 

[ibbi]

Yeah, it's really good. He's always had good returning statistics. Doesn't really help him much when it's hardest to do though - See Wimbledon/Cincinnati.

 

[Gazelle]

Best at ros apart from grass I guess.

 

[Standaa]

His return position from the first row clearly works.

 

[Devin]

I'm pretty sure Federer of 2004-2006 or probably other years had a better record than that. Djokovic 2011 was enormously ahead in that department too.

 

[Terenigma]

Pretty sure that stat is aided by the fact he's played nobodies for most of the year with so many big name players who might actually affect this stat out injured. Still a pretty decent stat tho so fair play. Looks like standing in row c is working for him!

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I am still trying to figure out how much of it makes up his net worth. His legs and forehand make up a huge amount.

Lucas and Thiem has a good a.s.s too.

 

[ojo rojo]

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

His return position from the first row clearly works.

It really does.
People should stop nagging him for it. He wins more points than anyone else by doing it

I never understood why people are annoyed w his position on 1 serve return.

 

[gn]

What's his return stats against Top 25 players?

 

[junior74]

What's his return stats against Top 25 players?

He has return stats against Top 25 players?

 

[clayqueen]

Pretty sure that stat is aided by the fact he's played nobodies for most of the year with so many big name players who might actually affect this stat out injured. Still a pretty decent stat tho so fair play. Looks like standing in row c is working for him!

Prove it.

 

[clayqueen]

The end justifies the means. I wonder how many players will start to copy Rafa.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

He has return stats against Top 25 players?

Well, his best return stats is from before Wimbledon when he played higher ranked players if you read the article

 

[Jaitock1991]

It really does.
People should stop nagging him for it. He wins more points than anyone else by doing it

I never understood why people are annoyed w his position on 1 serve return.

They're not really annoyed. They're just butthurt and desperately try to come up with all kinds of dirt to discredit him.

But numbers show that it works and seems to compliment the rest of his game very well. This is all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[Sport]

Yeah, it's really good. He's always had good returning statistics. Doesn't really help him much when it's hardest to do though - See Wimbledon/Cincinnati.

He destroyed the server Anderson in the US Open final though. All Anderson's service games were at least deuce 40-40. Meanwhile Fed losing to a guy outside the top 25...

 

[Sport]

Federer is not a better returner on grass than Nadal. The main difference comes from his service ability.

 

[junior74]

Well, his best return stats is from before Wimbledon when he played higher ranked players if you read the article

Just goofin' around. Should probably go for a walk instead

 

[MasterZeb]

He destroyed the server Anderson in the US Open final though. All Anderson's service games were at least deuce 40-40. Meanwhile Fed losing to a guy outside the top 25...

I think pretty much everyone knows Nadal is overall the better returner between him and Fed, but your argument is awful.

 

[swordtennis]

Lucas and Thiem has a good a.s.s too.

I'm still going to email you about that supplementation nutrition thing. Been hectic. Also I am slow I tend to being alot like the native Americans. Take time to respond. Never just walk up to door and knock. Wait outside by mail box wait until invited in. Res Indian culture kinda lol.

 

[aman92]

Not a surprise....Bull is statistically the greatest returner in history.

 

[clayqueen]

This is how you get triple La Decima

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I'm still going to email you about that supplementation nutrition thing. Been hectic. Also I am slow I tend to being alot like the native Americans. Take time to respond. Never just walk up to door and knock. Wait outside by mail box wait until invited in. Res Indian culture kinda lol.

Oh, I had forgotten about that. I guess when you are ready for it you will feel to act on it.
Didnt know you were a native American!

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

This is how you get triple La Decima

Make the court bigger Ill say

 

[MasterZeb]

This is how you get triple La Decima

To be fair it's obviously a great return position on clay and works for him tremendously. The issue comes with him still sticking to that tactic on grass courts and faster courts.

 

[swordtennis]

Oh, I had forgotten about that. I guess when you are ready for it you will feel to act on it.
Didnt know you were a native American!

Lol no I'm American but not a native American. Grew up with my Pawnee aunt and my uncle who was married to her tho. Different culture than the high strung euro Americans.
Also spent some time on a couple reservations. Hiking and working for them as a computer programmer.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

To be fair it's obviously a great return position on clay and works for him tremendously. The issue comes with him still sticking to that tactic on grass courts and faster courts.

Yeah I guess we are ones to give Nadal advice on how to win slams. He only got 6 outside clay, really bad.

 

[MasterZeb]

Yeah I guess are we the ones to give Nadal advice on how to win slams. He only got 6 outside clay, really bad.

That's not my point. His match against Muller at Wimbledon was a prime example of this. He was standing far too back to really do a lot with the serves. With it being a grass court, the ball skids a lot more and travels faster, decreasing the chance of Nadal getting to the ball, and if so, doing much with it. It was pretty frustrating seeing him repeatedly stand so far back.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Lol no I'm American but not a native American. Grew up with my Pawnee aunt and my uncle who was married to her tho. Different culture than the high strung euro Americans.
Also spent some time on a couple reservations. Hiking and working for them as a computer programmer.

I met only one native American in my 1,5 year there. He was super nice and very handsome. Long black hair braided. Wish I had met more More men w long hair should braid, Hello Dolgopolov! Ill braid your hair

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

That's not my point. His match against Muller at Wimbledon was a prime example of this. He was standing far too back to really do a lot with the serves. With it being a grass court, the ball skids a lot more and travels faster, decreasing the chance of Nadal getting to the ball, and if so, doing much with it. It was pretty frustrating seeing him repeatedly stand so far back.

Yeah, you should maybe start to coach him side by side w Moya. Im sure these ideas are new to them both
Its a reason why he is doing it. Its a subject he has been asked many times and we know why. He knows the problem, but he feels more comfy far behind.

 

[MasterZeb]

Yeah, you should maybe start to coach him side by side w Moya. Im sure these ideas are new to them both

Will do. Any idea who I can send my Résumé to?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Will do. Any idea who I can send my Résumé to?

I did edit the previous post.
I guess you should just mail your brilliant new idea to Nadal academy and they will just think.... What a brilliant man this man must be!!! We have never ever thought of this before even though Moya did it himself.
Sometimes these things just gets overlooked Its not like it is basic tennis or anything return positions on 1 serve.

 

[clayqueen]

To be fair it's obviously a great return position on clay and works for him tremendously. The issue comes with him still sticking to that tactic on grass courts and faster courts.

Winning 3 USO titles plus 1 final, 1 AO title plus 3 finals (injury has prevented more) and 2 Wimbledons plus 3 finals. It works.

 

[peakin11mugs]

This is how you get triple La Decima

I don’t get why people take the @$&* out of nadals return position. Yes it’s unusual but it fits his style of play, works excellent on clay and is reasonable on other surfaces. If the 2017 success didn’t come then I would say yes he needs to make changes but for now it’s worked and is currently working. If he goes years without grass indoors or hard tournaments then he needs to start making changes to the game again.

 

[ForumMember]

Will do. Any idea who I can send my Résumé to?

Other than saying that you are a member of TTW, what else you would write in your resume? just wonder.

 

[MasterZeb]

I did edit the previous post.
I guess you should just mail your brilliant new idea to Nadal academy and they will just think.... What a brilliant man this man must be!!! We have never ever thought of this before even though Moya did it himself.
Sometimes these things just gets overlooked Its not like it is basic tennis or anything return positions on 1 serve.

they must all be secretly getting paid by Fed to do this, including Moyà. Only logical answer to then not knowing such basics
P.s I wouldn't mind getting on one of Nadals 50million dollar yachts if I were to get accepted into the team

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I don’t get why people take the @$&* out of nadals return position. Yes it’s unusual but it fits his style of play, works excellent on clay and is reasonable on other surfaces. If the 2017 success didn’t come then I would say yes he needs to make changes but for now it’s worked and is currently working. If he goes years without grass indoors or hard tournaments then he needs to start making changes to the game again.

Maybe grass and indoors not so important for him he finds it nessesary to make huge changes that could disrupt rest of season.

 

[MasterZeb]

Other than saying that you are a member of TTW, what else you would write in your resume? just wonder.

Sureshs fanatic

 

[swordtennis]

I met only one native American in my 1,5 year there. He was super nice and very handsome. Long black hair braided. Wish I had met more More men w long hair should braid, Hello Dolgopolov! Ill braid your hair

Very cool. There are a lot of good natives. Don't let the bs media fool you saying they are all trash. John trudell. YouTube him. Watch his the drunk Indian interview. Mad respect to the drunk natives. They never gave in to this merican dream abomination. They would rather wear a mask than to live this fake game. Buffalo wild another great one.

 

[Deleted member 720910]

Yeah but Federer is 3-0 h2h then him this years so that means nothing.

 

[AngryBirds]

I'm pretty sure Federer of 2004-2006 or probably other years had a better record than that. Djokovic 2011 was enormously ahead in that department too.

Federer was never top 5 in return of serve statistics. He is among the top winning points on serve. Djokovic, Murray and Nadal are the ones usually dominating return statistics.

 

[peakin11mugs]

Maybe grass and indoors not so important for him he finds it nessesary to make huge changes that could disrupt rest of season.

Yes fair point. He might not value the hard, grass and indoors or more likely he does but might realise it is better for him to prioritise the clay and then the others. I think strongly he and his team does do that but we don’t know what going on in his team. It goes against what he publically says but no ones really going to openly say that theyll give the standard diplomatic tennis speech. The big four speak like politicians nowadays.

 

[tennisaddict]

It is a shame that he is abusing tennis the way he plays and yet he is being rewarded

I wish we can dock him points and games for tennis aesthetics

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

they must all be secretly getting paid by Fed to do this, including Moyà. Only logical answer to then not knowing such basics
P.s I wouldn't mind getting on one of Nadals 50million dollar yachts if I were to get accepted into the team

But seriously, he is the second most winning player of all time, he found his unique winning way. How every player in history had to do before winning a lot.
Think he has only one 50million yacht. But wonder if he got one or two smaller ones you could borrow He got nightclubs and restaurants in Ibiza you probably would enjoy too

 

[frinton]

Nadal is best at ROoS... Return Out of Sight


...fail better!

 

[Roddick85]

I can't do anything but agree with the stats. Still, Nadal may have a great ROS, but I still wouldn't call him a great returner, he's not in the same league as Agassi, Djokovic, Murray. Nadal's strategy on the return is to neutralize the serve and get it back into play so he can take the advantage in the following shot with his superior ground game. That's why he stands further back from the baseline and why he's not very aggressive on the return. It seems to work for him, so it is what it is.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Yes fair point. He might not value the hard, grass and indoors or more likely he does but might realise it is better for him to prioritise the clay and then the others. I think strongly he and his team does do that but we don’t know what going on in his team. It goes against what he publically says but no ones really going to openly say that theyll give the standard diplomatic tennis speech. The big four speak like politicians nowadays.

Yes they do. Its pretty normal to prefer certain courts over others. But they want to be nice to the venues and such. They get paid for it too.