Nadal is GOAT volleyer according to Sinner

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
I disagree with the mental strength. Djokovic is #2 on 5-set win %, to Borg. Nadal has been sliding the list for years. In '17-18, he lost 4 straight 5-set matches!

Djokovic is top 3 in TB win %, along with Isner and Federer, 2 great servers. Nadal is down the list!

Just look at 5-set matches among B3: Djokovic-Nadal 2-1; Djokovic-Federer 4-0; Federer-Nadal 2-2

Nadal has had the case of the nerves in many recent matches, that he should've won: '17 ag AO Federer; '20 AO ag Thiem; '21 AO ag Tsisipas
 
Even Guys like Llodra, Mahut were miles miles better than either Fedal but never get their due. It's funny to see Mischa Zverev make 100s of volleys in a match and then never be in discussion of best volleyer on tour.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
If Nadl were a good volleyer he would have won the Miami title. Without it he is out of the GOAT race.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
I disagree with the mental strength. Djokovic is #2 on 5-set win %, to Borg. Nadal has been sliding the list for years. In '17-18, he lost 4 straight 5-set matches!

Djokovic is top 3 in TB win %, along with Isner and Federer, 2 great servers. Nadal is down the list!

Just look at 5-set matches among B3: Djokovic-Nadal 2-1; Djokovic-Federer 4-0; Federer-Nadal 2-2

Nadal has had the case of the nerves in many recent matches, that he should've won: '17 ag AO Federer; '20 AO ag Thiem; '21 AO ag Tsisipas
Federer - Nadal record is 3-3 in 5 set matches.
Djokovic narrowly escaped in 3 out of 4 5 setters against Federer.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
His approach and getting his opponents out of position is goat, however when those aren’t good his volleys are not GOAT material. Pretty good, but not as good as Fed. Not in the top 20 of all time even.
I think your imagination is getting the better of you.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Sinner understands the good tennis.

Seriously though, Nadal has some great hands at the net.
The best hands at the net. I think playing doubles has helped Rafa's volleying skills a lot. Right now he is the best. He knows exactly when to play a volley. Some people confuse this with S&V as in Micha Zverev but that's not what we are talking about.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
The best hands at the net. I think playing doubles has helped Rafa's volleying skills a lot. Right now he is the best. He knows exactly when to play a volley. Some people confuse this with S&V as in Micha Zverev but that's not what we are talking about.
I do think Nadal's handskills get underrated at times for sure. I mean he beat Thiem at RG 2018 at the net.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Hall of Fame
Nadal does not even have better volleys than Fed, let alone best of all time. This stupid statement from Sinner again shows that you should not take everything professional tennis player say as gospel. Unfortunately we have some folks here who think that every opinion of pros automatically trumps whatever we normal fans say, simply because they are pros.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
2019 Wimbledon Final had 422 points.
Federer came to the net 65 times (won 51).

2019 US Open Final had 341 points.
Nadal came to the net 66 times (won 51).
 

Novichok

Semi-Pro
2019 Wimbledon Final had 422 points.
Federer came to the net 65 times (won 51).

2019 US Open Final had 341 points.
Nadal came to the net 66 times (won 51).
Maybe because Djokovic hits better passing shots and forces more errors than Mugdvedev. :unsure:
If you want to make a comparison, remember that in W 2018 SF, Nadal came to the net 50 times in 386 points (won 37).
 
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TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Incorrect. Federer is a better volleyer than Nadal. It's not even close.
Sinner already had Fed for the best forehand, so gotta have someone else, no?
 

ibbi

Legend
Guy literally wasn’t even born in the 20th century? He seems to have spent more time learning to play tennis than watching old matches on YouTube so what do you expect him to say? He wasn’t even born when Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon! He knows nothing!
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
In the current top 20 there is a grand total of ONE player who approaches the net less than Nadal in Tennis Abstract's database -- Diego Schwartzman. That list includes several players suffering a serious case of net allergy, including PCB, RBA, Rublev, Zverev, Medvedev.

While he undeniably has competent hands at the net, I find it impossible to name him the best volleyer of this era (let alone all time) when he is that selective.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
In the current top 20 there is a grand total of ONE player who approaches the net less than Nadal in Tennis Abstract's database -- Diego Schwartzman. That list includes several players suffering a serious case of net allergy, including PCB, RBA, Rublev, Zverev, Medvedev.

While he undeniably has competent hands at the net, I find it impossible to name him the best volleyer of this era (let alone all time) when he is that selective.
Ah, but you aren't giving the Medman enough credit. Look at his expert Wikipedia entry:

Medvedev is a defensive baseliner based on mirroring his opponent's play.[3] His playstyle incorporates strong returns with as few mistakes as possible and making games unpredictable.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniil_Medvedev#cite_note-5

He specializes in the shadow style of tennis. He only appears to be afraid of the net because his opponents are. If a modern Sampras were good enough to make it to his rounds, you'd see his sharp, unpredictable approaches and half volleys.
 
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