#### The Blond Blur

##### G.O.A.T.
what about them?. like you said he lost at united cup and at AO the next year. you’re blaming his drop was from not playing doha & indian wells?!?
Dude…he was ranked #2 at the end of 2022. In the first 3 months of the year he did the following: won Melbourne (250), won the AO (2,000), won Acapulco (500), and made the IW F (600). When you add up all those points it comes out to 3,350 points. In 2023 he went out in the 2R which would have netted him 45 points. Meaning out of the 3,350 points he had to defend from the start of 2022 he was only able to defend 45 of them for a loss of: 3,305. That saw him drop to #15.

As for his CC season points in 2022: He didn’t play MC or Barca so he had no points to depend there in 2023. He made the QF at Madrid for 180 points, the 3R at Rome for 45 points, and won RG for 2,000 points. Meaning he earned 2,225. So what’s the bigger number, 3,350 or 2,225?

So again, when he didn’t defend his points from the previous year in January-March of 2023 he lost a net total of 3,305 points to drop from #2 to #15. When he didn’t defend his CC points he lost 2,225 points to drop from #15 to #136. What you’re doing is looking at just his ranking and seeing that #15 to #136 is a much bigger drop and going exclusively based on that. When what you need to be doing is looking at the number of points lost in specific parts of the season. For anyone able to do basic math it’s clear he lost more points during the HC season than he did during the CC season.

So let’s do a thought experiment and say the CC season was at the beginning of the year instead. In this scenario he still doesn’t defend anything. He would have lost 2,225 points so more likely falls near the bottom of the top 10 or just outside it, but is still ranked above #15. Let’s just say for the sake of the argument he drops down to #10. Now then he has to defend his HC points that are now in place of the CC season. And it’s here that he only defends 45 points out of his previously earned 3,350 points for a net loss of 3,305 points and drops from #10 to #136.

Can you see now that losing his January-March points on HC played a bigger role in his ranking taking a nose dive?

#### big ted

##### Legend
Can you see now that losing his January-March points on HC played a bigger role in his ranking taking a nose dive?

well i guess so.. but you can’t deny he only went down 13 spots from the hard court points he lost. but went down 121 ranking spots from the clay season.

#### DSH

##### Talk Tennis Guru
This is really infuriating how he manages to get healthy for clay each and every year. But doesn't play hard courts.
Nadal foolishly sacrificed playing (and winning) RG 2023 to play the Australian Open at the beginning of last season.
He will not make the mistake again.

#### The Blond Blur

##### G.O.A.T.
well i guess so.. but you can’t deny he only went down 13 spots from the hard court points he lost. but went down 121 ranking spots from the clay season.
Dude…I literally spelled it out for you. Had he lost his CC points first he would have still been in the top 10 going from #2 to #10. If he followed that up by losing his HC points then he would have dropped from #10 down to #136 which is an even bigger drop in the rankings (126 spots). Yeah, he lost a lot of points from the CC season, but he lost way more points during the HC season. That means he was actually more dependent on his HC results vs his CC results. Notice how it doesn’t matter which you subtract first, but he still ends up at #136?

#### big ted

##### Legend
Dude…I literally spelled it out for you. Had he lost his CC points first he would have still been in the top 10 going from #2 to #10. If he followed that up by losing his HC points then he would have dropped from #10 down to #136 which is an even bigger drop in the rankings (126 spots). Yeah, he lost a lot of points from the CC season, but he lost way more points during the HC season. That means he was actually more dependent on his HC results vs his CC results. Notice how it doesn’t matter which you subtract first, but he still ends up at #136?

i extended an olive branch in the last post but you didn’t take it. if you want to live in a bizarro world & get a ranking taking out clay points before hard court points to make your point so be it.. i deal with reality and the way the ATP calendar actually goes. good luck to you in “rafaland”. i get it tho some people can’t handle the truth so much they need to invent their own

#### The Blond Blur

##### G.O.A.T.
i extended an olive branch in the last post but you didn’t take it. if you want to live in a bizarro world & get a ranking taking out clay points before hard court points to make your point so be it.. i deal with reality and the way the ATP calendar actually goes. good luck to you in “rafaland”. i get it tho some people can’t handle the truth so much they need to invent their own
Lol you kept adding caveats to your posts so you can keep your “olive branch”. Don’t blame me for your lack of understanding of how rankings and math work.

#### fox

##### Professional
I guess he will just play a few matches before RG on clay and then play the whole RG and retire.

#### big ted

##### Legend
Lol you kept adding caveats to your posts so you can keep your “olive branch”. Don’t blame me for your lack of understanding of how rankings and math work.

ok and don’t blame me for your lack of understanding reality )

#### The Blond Blur

##### G.O.A.T.
ok and don’t blame me for your lack of understanding reality )
Which number is bigger, 3,350 or 2,225?

Which difference is greater? Going from #15 to #136 or going from #10 to #136?

Saying oh well he went from #2 to only #15 (where he actually lost more points), but he dropped all the way down to #136 (where he comparatively lost much fewer points) just shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Losing all but 45 of his rankings points played a much bigger role in his ranking plummeting that far.

#### big ted

##### Legend
Which number is bigger, 3,350 or 2,225?

Which difference is greater? Going from #15 to #136 or going from #10 to #136?
why twist the facts? in the real world he was NEVER #10. i know reality doesnt fit your narrative but you should be asking : going from 2-15 or 15-136 because THATS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE AND ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE OUT CLAY COURT POINTS BEFORE YOU TAKE OUT HC POINTS BEFORE THAT BECUZ THEN YOU HAVE NO CASE. keep using your wonderful imagination i think its lovely )

Saying oh well he went from #2 to only #15 (where he actually lost more points), but he dropped all the way down to #136 (where he comparatively lost much fewer points) just shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Losing all but 45 of his rankings points played a much bigger role in his ranking plummeting that far.
ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE EVERYONE ELSES HYPOTHETICAL CC POINTS OFF FIRST TOO??? because thats the only way your HYPOTHETICAL FAIRY TALE MIGHT HAVE ANY CREDENCE.
anyway i get it.. you, @nolefam_2024 and @_phantom enjoy the blue pill ). at least youre happy

#### The Blond Blur

##### G.O.A.T.

why twist the facts? in the real world he was NEVER #10. i know reality doesnt fit your narrative but you should be asking : going from 2-15 or 15-136 because THATS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE AND ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE OUT CLAY COURT POINTS BEFORE YOU TAKE OUT HC POINTS BEFORE THAT BECUZ THEN YOU HAVE NO CASE. keep using your wonderful imagination i think its lovely )

ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE EVERYONE ELSES HYPOTHETICAL CC POINTS OFF FIRST TOO??? because thats the only way your HYPOTHETICAL FAIRY TALE MIGHT HAVE ANY CREDENCE.
anyway i get it.. you, @nolefam_2024 and @_phantom enjoy the blue pill ). at least youre happy
The facts are he was only 800 points shy of finishing YE#1 in 2022. He fell all the way from #2 to #15 when he only defended 45 points of his previously earned 3,350 in January-March from 2022. Meaning he lost 3,305 points in January-March of 2023. All those points came from HC.

He only earned 2,225 points during the CC season in 2022. Meaning he only lost 2,225 points when he didn’t defend any of his 2022 CC points in the 2023 season.

What that means is from January-March of 2023 he lost 3,305 points on HC. And in May-June he only lost 2,225 points on clay. Looking at the numbers we can clearly see he lost more points from HC tournaments. That means it had a bigger impact on his ranking falling than the points he lost during the CC season. So what you said here when you were insinuating that the CC season played a bigger role in his ranking falling so much is wrong:
last year he missed the clay season for the first time in his career and his ranking went from #10 to 136. what does that tell you where he gets his points from?
It tells me you can’t do basic math if you think losing 2,225 points on clay hurt more than losing 3,305 points on HC. Clearly he gained and lost more points during the HC season.

#### big ted

##### Legend
It tells me you can’t do basic math if you think losing 2,225 points on clay hurt more than losing 3,305 points on HC. Clearly he gained and lost more points during the HC season.

player points are not linearly proportional to a player ranking but you’re calculating it that way. it’s not that simple. MEANING- 2225 pts can have a greater effect on a players ranking than 3305 points. not sure what else to tell you. i know it doesn’t fit your and @Rattie ‘s narrative but im sorry

#### The Blond Blur

##### G.O.A.T.
player points are not linearly proportional to a player ranking but you’re calculating it that way. it’s not that simple. MEANING- 2225 pts can have a greater effect on a players ranking than 3305 points. not sure what else to tell you. i know it doesn’t fit your and @Rattie ‘s narrative but im sorry
Lol! All I’m gonna say is with April around the corner you should let someone else do your taxes for you because…yikes

#### Vincent-C

##### Hall of Fame
I guess he will just play a few matches before RG on clay and then play the whole RG and retire.
Some here still seem convinced Great Warrior's gonna come back and win the French, and more.

deludere, deludere..

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